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hero member
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I still think that not being listed on any of the major exchanges is a big mistake. @Eliphaz why do you think that it is a good idea to go down this path? Not fudding, but asking an actual question... With only 3BTC needed to list on Bittrex the small expense surely outweighs the massive return that it could bring back.

Devs, don't forget to contact Bittrex in advance. Being listed there ASAP after launch would be nice.

In other news I am quite impressed how well the price is holding despite all the FUD. Most alts fell down during the BTC rally and only now they are recovering and HEAT is quite strong. Of course HEAT/BTC ratio might not look that well at first sight but remember how cheap was BTC back then during the presale and how strong it is now. Well done!

They state in their forum, that they are not going to be listed on major exchanges.
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@Eliphaz:
An expense sheet is a list with all your expenses. As you stated earlier, you had to pay a lot of taxes, thus you need to have your expenses noted somewhere.
sr. member
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Devs, don't forget to contact Bittrex in advance. Being listed there ASAP after launch would be nice.

In other news I am quite impressed how well the price is holding despite all the FUD. Most alts fell down during the BTC rally and only now they are recovering and HEAT is quite strong. Of course HEAT/BTC ratio might not look that well at first sight but remember how cheap was BTC back then during the presale and how strong it is now. Well done!

They state in their forum, that they are not going to be listed on major exchanges.
sr. member
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Devs, don't forget to contact Bittrex in advance. Being listed there ASAP after launch would be nice.

In other news I am quite impressed how well the price is holding despite all the FUD. Most alts fell down during the BTC rally and only now they are recovering and HEAT is quite strong. Of course HEAT/BTC ratio might not look that well at first sight but remember how cheap was BTC back then during the presale and how strong it is now. Well done!

Well for the moment we're at half the BTC Stage 2 ICO price... So not that good.

Look at the orderbooks though.  A few small trades every couple of days and less than 1 btc for sale under btc stage 2 ico price.  It's probably less than 5% of supply that is circulating on those exchanges too.

Heat was a great ico to buy into.  I get the impression the investors are a group of long-term holders.  Innovative crypto 3.0 with unlimited scalability.  It's a recipe for serious gains.
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Devs, don't forget to contact Bittrex in advance. Being listed there ASAP after launch would be nice.

In other news I am quite impressed how well the price is holding despite all the FUD. Most alts fell down during the BTC rally and only now they are recovering and HEAT is quite strong. Of course HEAT/BTC ratio might not look that well at first sight but remember how cheap was BTC back then during the presale and how strong it is now. Well done!

Well for the moment we're at half the BTC Stage 2 ICO price... So not that good.
legendary
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Just wondering if it's even worth keeping them, will it still have support in future after HEAT launches?
Can't tell what you consider worth keeping, however the association has committed to supporting the FIMK network for at least 4 years, of which 2.5 have passed. There are currently about 10 active nodes and 15 forgers at any one time, the same average as it has been during the past couple of years.

We have some low priority FIMK projects in progress. The FIMK token isn't a speculation token, however it's in our own interests to make it appreciate in value. We occasionally do work towards that goal when time allows.

It's intended that FIMK would eventually become integrated into the HEAT multicurrency wallet.


I never bought into it because of speculation, the inital was because it seemed like a good idea of what your team was trying to do. The whole basic income idea I liked, and this was when it was just known to be a Finnish coin.

Thanks for the answer, I just kind of held on to my FIMK for 2+ years and I like the HEAT idea, I just don't know how much of the original concept is still in HEAT.
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Just wondering if it's even worth keeping them, will it still have support in future after HEAT launches?
Can't tell what you consider worth keeping, however the association has committed to supporting the FIMK network for at least 4 years, of which 2.5 have passed. There are currently about 10 active nodes and 15 forgers at any one time, the same average as it has been during the past couple of years.

We have some low priority FIMK projects in progress. The FIMK token isn't a speculation token, however it's in our own interests to make it appreciate in value. We occasionally do work towards that goal when time allows.

It's intended that FIMK would eventually become integrated into the HEAT multicurrency wallet.
legendary
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Question:

What will happen with those who kept some FIMK?

I for one can provide a channel for FIMK owners to get value of their investment. I have been running a webstore, delivering keys to a good, healthy lifestyle for FIMK investors, and plan to keep on doing that. So far I haven't shipped products outside of Finland but I think when HEAT launches I will broaden the spectrum a little bit Wink

The webstore where you can buy with FIMK - http://www.fimkland.fi/kauppa/

And the upcoming for HEAT - http://www.heatland.fi/

And if you want to get rid on your FIMK's now, just PM me and I can make you an offer to buy them.

Just wondering if it's even worth keeping them, will it still have support in future after HEAT launches?
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@HEAT_DEVS people talk about me that I made sockpuppet accounts. I did not! I could state the same about you guys now. Nonetheless The ice you walk on is very thin. Questions I asked are reasonable questions, if you continue to ignore them and with them your community you will make no progress, which means your project is lost! Do you really think you will grow in the next year? This is what is ineresting to your investors , especially if you want to sell company shares!!!!!!!! I would love to make a profit with HEAT but the way you behave there is no chance to make a profit. Even if I was not here you think anybody will take you seriously? ANSWER ME! I am not a troll coming out of nowhere!!! I AM ONE OF YOUR INVESTORS FOR GOD SAKE! You must be delusional to keep ignoring me!



Haha and there we have it folks...


Seriously mate, you've posted in this thread over 70 times, most of which have been repetitive, childish, fud filled posts and you're still asking why they aren't answering your questions...you been blocked pal!!!

You do realize who you're hurting with all this, don't you.  If you had spent an equal amount of time and energy spreading honey through half the posts that you've written, you'd be a lot farther in your journey for answers. I can only hope that you don't inefficiently row your douche canoe through your day life like you do here, because there are much more effective and happier ways of getting what you want....
Dont't worry I know you paid with FIMK! Respod to my arguments, metaaargumentation won't bring you anywhere my friend!

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@HEAT_DEVS people talk about me that I made sockpuppet accounts. I did not! I could state the same about you guys now. Nonetheless The ice you walk on is very thin. Questions I asked are reasonable questions, if you continue to ignore them and with them your community you will make no progress, which means your project is lost! Do you really think you will grow in the next year? This is what is ineresting to your investors , especially if you want to sell company shares!!!!!!!! I would love to make a profit with HEAT but the way you behave there is no chance to make a profit. Even if I was not here you think anybody will take you seriously? ANSWER ME! I am not a troll coming out of nowhere!!! I AM ONE OF YOUR INVESTORS FOR GOD SAKE! You must be delusional to keep ignoring me!

 

Haha and there we have it folks...


Seriously mate, you've posted in this thread over 70 times, most of which have been repetitive, childish, fud filled posts and you're still asking why they aren't answering your questions...you been blocked pal!!!

You do realize who you're hurting with all this, don't you.  If you had spent an equal amount of time and energy spreading honey through half the posts that you've written, you'd be a lot farther in your journey for answers. I can only hope that you don't inefficiently row your douche canoe through your day life like you do here, because there are much more effective and happier ways of getting what you want....
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It's very refreshing to see the recent reasonable comments and understanding from several intelligent posters in this thread. Thank you! Also thanks for the New Year's wishes - we're looking forward for a prosperous one with all the HEAT investors. We're in the same boat. The only difference between our role and that of our investors is that we're rowing the boat, whereas you're currently the passengers.

Meanwhile we're moving onto the final ~2% of the HEAT core services implementation to deliver the Genesis block this month, a few clarifications are in order.

About the role of General Manager +CEO, like myself, in a very small company such as Heat Ledger Ltd:

In the crypto sphere the role of personnel outside the lead developer is nearly always hazy to the outsiders. Running business however, especially registered Ltd company in a high bureaucracy - legally uncertain - novel regulatory environment - entails a variety of tasks not obvious especially for persons not familiar with owning business. It may be useful to list here some of my daily / weekly / monthly tasks below;

Tech related: Systems design - UI outlines - Writing specs - Scheduling - Prioritization - Pseudo code - Real code (rarely) - Server setup and management - Forum backend management - Security setup on servers - Security maintentance on workstations - Writing docs for partners - Scouting fintech news and competition - staying informed about crypto - sorting out user issues - interpreting highly technical material from dev for human consumption - Initiating, specifying and managing subcontractor projects - wrapping up product lines to be sold to customers

Interpersonal: Primary feedback channel to / from lead dev - managing existing partner meetings / communication - managing new partners - managing advisor material - managing advisor meetings - Primary feedback channel to / from advisors - managing forums - managing trolling and complaints - user support - subcontractor communication - exhibition and convention communication - writing and practicing public speeches - attending public events - writing press releases - managing press contacts - staff intermediator communication - staff acquisition - managing public sector contacts - managing public sector facilitators / lobbyists (mostly inherited from FIMK) - managing potential investors - managing marketing - preparing co-operation and joint venture proposals

Financial: Company Budgeting - creating investor decks and brochures - managing shareholder's equity - planning ways for fairly equal compensation when both partners live in different regulatory environments - designing most profitable routes in crypto-BTC-EUR shuffling full duplex - designing auxiliary supporting businesses like exchange gateways - leveraging experience for plans of maximum HEAT value appreciation - managing cryptocurrency accounts securely - deciding on liquidation and arranging ways - managing compliance issues with crypto liquidation, both ways exchanger and bank - paying invoices - preparing tricky but legally required crypto bookkeeping for accountant - preparing invoices - preparing offers - managing 3rd party compensations and gathering receipts from crypto expenses to EUR world for accountant - paying wages - optimizing current and future company moneyflow and corporate strategy with advisors' assistance

Regulatory: Staying updated on crypto legal issues - arranging partner agreements - preparing for legislative changes 1-2 years ahead with accountants - writing e-money licensing documents with partner - clarifying e-money licensing authority issues - preparing technical documents - investigating foreign regulatory environments - supplying aggregate infos for accountant's reporting - inventing new ways to remain legal yet operative with the nonexistent / changing regulations


That's a few... Indeed quite an eye-opening exercise to write it up! Smiley

Some of the 20-year experience from multitasking becomes handy. Without that, and some specific personal skills in seeing the big picture and being able to surf in it with often incomplete information and especially unsatisfactory status of issues (such as genesis redemption user support - blame me, it's unfortunately one of the least high priorities on my list of high priorities), I don't believe doing this work would be possible.

In my work there's no routine - except in manually assembling the genesis block, which is massively boring!. Usually the different parts come in streaks, and some tasks are far and inbetween such as the customer related things now that we don't have many customers yet (they're not completely nonexistent). However all of the above is part of what I actually do, I didn't just pick them from Cryptocurrency Business for Dummies Wink

We're hiring marketing and technical key personnel. That can't be done quick, however it's finalized before our backs break. We're not lonely bachelors either - we try to live up to the expectations of our families to the extent possible. It's walking on a thin line, but it's the choice we've already made long ago.

The compensation me and Dennis receive from the company is moderate, at a level or somewhat lower than a lead java software architect and CTO would receive when working for a third party in a high tech EU country. Nowhere near $10k a month, just covering our expenses so at this point before there's real turnover we're not getting rich by the wages. Why I'm not disclosing the exact amounts - it's not customary, not good business practice and not wise. Can you tell us any crypto project leaders who disclose their wage? If you can, please do, I'm as curious as you. Regardless, we still won't do that. We're not hiding anything. We're following best business practices like proper businesses do.

"Company expense sheet" whatever is meant by that, is the same. Some time this year the shareholders of Heat Ledger Ltd will receive access to the the company's annual report in which this data is available. Probably a lot of figures need to be made available for the share issue in the next months. HEAT token holders are NOT shareholders. HEAT tokens can be used, through the HEAT options (in Feb hopefully) to obtain shares for half the price.

I did mention we've burned less than 30% of the crypto funds during the first 6 months of company operations. It's not difficult for any interested person to follow the money from the ICO accounts. Eth is untouched, Ardr is untouched, some NXT and some BTC have been liquidated to a.) cover the costs and b.) a healthy bank account balance at the end of 2016. Large chunk of the BTC is still inaccessible at the exchanges. Rattling suspicions that we'd be somehow be using ICO funds covertly are inconsiderate. We're regulated business run by family men with strong morals under highly monitored legislation. That's a combination preventing misuse of investor funds, period.

I wrote the first paragraph as parable to point out the stark contrast - to the misdirected ideations of us being in some kind of position of privileged exploitation towards the HEAT investors. Such is not and can't be the case. Investors have funded the HEAT business venture, which will either succeed or fall depending on our skills and choices taken. We're chained until we've delivered profit OR at least tried our very best. If you want to see exploitation, look rather the other way. Investor is free after he has funded a project. The receiver of the investment is NOT free but bound to work until given best effort. The burden isn't light and there's no escape from it other than the work intended.

In reality there's no exploitation of course, but co-operation. It works best when virtues such as patience, goodwill and bona fide expectations are cultivated.
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Well you guys invested in something that wasn't built yet. So... wait.

This is why I don't do ICOs. You can get the coins on an exchange afterward and sometimes cheaper than the initial ICO.

Anyhow, I hope everything works out for HEAT. I would like to see this thing come to fruition.

Personally , i have no problem waiting for the release , and i can surely understand that there will be delays especially in new tech platforms . The lack of information from HEAT's part is my main concern . 
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Well you guys invested in something that wasn't built yet. So... wait.

This is why I don't do ICOs. You can get the coins on an exchange afterward and sometimes cheaper than the initial ICO.

Anyhow, I hope everything works out for HEAT. I would like to see this thing come to fruition.
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I aggree in many points with StewieG . I have lost some btc in coin scams , so i share at some point his concerns .
What i'd like to know is if the team has hired any other dev . I saw the interview you gave at icocountdown , and back then you guys said you want to hire developers . There's been much time since then and i can't believe that you haven't found any .
Also an updated roadmap would be nice .
I guess that , your part in the team  Eliphaz , is to handle the PR part . Can you provide any info if there's any interest about the platform ? Can you name anyone that's interrested ? And i guess that one of your obligations is to keep the investors informed abou the status of the project . I think that's why StewieG is very aggresive especially against you . You guys are publishing crypto roundup 15 that has nothing to say about the HEAT project . You got to understand that i ( maybe others too )  don't need to know what's going on with the other projects . If i want to find out something about other projects i will search for it . I heaven't see any other coin blog looking to what other projects are doing . Your all thought process seems delusional .
So please stay focus on HEAT . Keep us informed with at least weekly updates . You can understand that your deadlines are over months ago . Sit down and create a new reasonable roadmap . By keeping the donators in absolute darkness you will only make things worst .
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Well you surely have an expenses sheet. Could you please simply show that to us? Thats pretty normal
Oh thank you, see guys I am not the only one who has this question on his mind! If they would provide an expenses sheet we would know  that they are not scamming us. The only thing I can not understand is why the Heat devs do not provide this! I am still waiting for arguments why my questions are out of line.... So far people could only criticize my personality! This is sooo weak and I will not respond to such childish behaviour! Eiter you have some real arguments or you don't!

What's funny is that StewieG feels that if HEAT is not released, he gets to be right about something and if HEAT does get released StewieG gets to say, "I helped make it happen"...lol At this point he can't afford to shut up and has no choice but to keep his position 'stewing'. Regardless of what Stewer is thinking and whether or not he is right about any of it, it's always interesting to see smart articulate people like him (albeit impatient) melt down and prematurely misdirect their energy in an attempt to piss away a piece of their portfolio because they (can't be wrong) let themselves mix emotion and money...

Also StewieG, for someone as good as you at calling out scumbaggery and helping others not to invest in this or any other project of this team's, you sure are giving a good lesson on how to fud (regardless if you are truly being honest)...this here folks is how it's done!!! First lesson here kids, is that you have to make a pathology out of the fud...got to believe yourself first before you can be a true 'SpewieG'

The coolest part about all this is that I know exactly what you're going to say next...so I'm gonna DM it to a couple people so, like you, no matter what happens, I can take some credit for what happens from you next...
Lol, it seems like you are reflecting your own motives for doing what I do on me. The reasons you state why I am doing it are completely false. This might would be your motives in this situation, but mine are different, I am simply pissed off. It is as easy as that! No matter what he outcome will be, these guys will never see one dime of me again, this is the worst experience I ever had in the cryptoworld and I am simpl glad when this is over! I have no clue in what project you were involved, frankly I don't care, this is about Heat. What is funny is that you think HEAT will maybe not be released. I never said that, in fact nobody ever doubted that. You seem to know more than we do!  A scam does not necessarily involve no product, simply filling your own pockets is enough to be called a scam. This is why I want to know their salary.  Maybe you didn't read all my posts. My criticism was mainly about that they leave us in the dark! There were deadlines, which were not met! Next they say these deadlines never existed, which is just a cheap lie! They don't even know how much money they collected, nor do they provide any proof where the money actually is right now! Can you at least understand that people are pissed off? How can we know that this is no scam? The simple answer is we can't. But the developers could easily provide answers to all my questions, which would give confident back to the investors, but for some reason they don't! In my opinion they owe us that proof, they collected money from us and we want to know where they spend it. This is totally normal in any company on the stock market. Can you understand that this is pissing people off? If not, I understand why people were angry at your project too. Just imagine HEAT would have half the community Ethereum had when they were starting! The shitstorm about such behaviour would have been unimaginable! It is not much that I and others too ask.
And good for you that you seem to know what I will say, beside the fact that is very poor that you need confirmations to boost your low ego, next time make a hash of that and precommit it to Twitter, otherwise you don't even have proof of that you amateur!  So yeah on being cool and take credit for that! I know your next answer will not address my questions to you and you will simply try to call me a bully and will try to tell others reasons why I post what I post, because this is in your opinion the easiest way to attack me and get rid of me, but trust me it will not work. Would be nice if I was wrong, but duh..
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sr. member
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Well you surely have an expenses sheet. Could you please simply show that to us? Thats pretty normal
hero member
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Can you guys access the wallet ? Tried to login today and i get "error : internal timeout " .

Are you using local wallet or online web wallet? I just tried the latest local wallet and that did not report an error.

The problem was with my local wallet , i was using the oldest version , thanks riceberry .
legendary
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Dude, your an actual buttplug.
Sincerely
Everyone on this forum.

I think a good definition of dumb, is expressing yourself in the same way, but expecting different results. Thats StewieG, right there. Must be really confusing and frustrating when no one understands you......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kACHU5eSwQ
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