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Topic: [ANN] HydroMining | Green Mining, environmentally friendly and profitable - page 58. (Read 40869 times)

newbie
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awesome project, but one question though.

I dont know why the team told us about the location? is it safe for you, because a lot of mining company never told us about their locations, what about the security?

Thank you


Good point. We decided to show a video of one of the locations where the mining euqipment is actually inside the powerstation. In the other location(s) we have containers and we do not want to reveal the exact location of these, as it would indeed increase the risk of the equipment being stolen. However, all equipment is of course insured.

sr. member
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Its very hard to have faith in any cloud mining sites now as majority of them are scam and that we have witnessed in the past and the team of hydromining need to prove the credibility of their project to get more investors.
full member
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i support you, sister. i believe you could get some hype around it soon.
The crypto need more girl powers!

i wanted to join in the promo/bounty campaign too. Hope i could reach the rank to participate soon.
newbie
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So one more time, I hope the team will explain us how they could rent power stations without having a registered company.
And I hope they will post some of their contracts.

Basically you can rent such a place as an individual as well, in the case of hydrominer it is currently rented with a company of one of our investors from Vienna, Austria.
As explained, the company plans to incorporate, however this process will be started once there is an indication of the level of funds that will be raised.
In fact the team has been in touch with lawyers in Austria (actually also the same team that consulted Heroes) and Switzerland. To establish a company that will allow fundraising to a certain extent.

However and it must be made clear, there is currently no company or group of people that could possibly claim a to have or to conduct an ICO in an existing legal framework. Mainly because there is no such framework anywhere in the world and furthermore because unless the ICO is completely local and all permissions in this particular place are in place. The typical ICO that aims at an international audience would therefore need to have legal documents from authorities of each country where the coins are sold including KYC and AML compliance for each investor, which in the case of cryptowallets is basically impossible.

ICO´s are a great way for startups to raise money in a completely unregulated und unchartered territory, its absolutely clear to everyone that this comes with high risks, for the management of ICO´s as well as the investors and this is what this forum is about, to answer crucial questions, make everybody aware of unclear aspects of ICO´s etc.

So the good thing here is that conducting an ICO is a risk and therefore the one who does it must be very cautious with the funds they receive, which is in fact good news to investors.

What does not work is in my humble opinion to try to bring these 2 worlds together, the totally overregulated world of finance where providing and raising funds has become a privilege of few state regulated entities that can afford the increasing governance and regulatory hurdles and the worlds of ICO´s that is based on trust and a network of individuals that reach out to the team, the advisors and actually visit the business by their own to make their own judgement.

If one wants to invest in the old world of finance, well 99.9999% of all financial products in the world are regulated and there is plenty out there.
If one wants to regain the freedom to make your own investment decisions, then ICO´s are a miniscule market where this can work.
legendary
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Yes but saying they have a company with a CEO, a CFO, a CTO, a CMO etc is a big lie! https://www.hydrominer.org/team/
Shame on them!

3. We have not incorporated a company, yet. We are currently in the process of figuring out the best company structure. After legal consultations, we figured out that it largely depends on how big the investment gets - it just has many factors like legal cost, company establishment costs, tax costs, etc. So we will wait until the tokensale is over to establish HydroMiner in the best possible form, maybe even as a stock corporation.  

- Team HydroMiner



And I still don't understand how they could rent hydro power stations without being a regular company.
So I really think it's a scam.
hero member
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Mmmm... Maybe just a mistake... Hopefully.
legendary
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"The two have founded HydroMiner in 2015, a cryptocurrency mining company dedicated to utilizing green energy from hydro power stations in the Austrian Alps."


"Nadine co-founded HydroMiner in 2016 with her sister, Nicole."
https://www.hydrominer.org/team/
full member
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Merit: 100
Hey guys Smiley

Please read the newest blog post that explains why many people consider cloud mining to be a scam and what makes us different from the rest.

https://www.hydrominer.org/many-people-consider-cloud-mining-scam/

Yeah, most of the cloud mining sites are a scam. But HYdroMining isn't, atleast not from what i've seen so far.
legendary
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"The two have founded HydroMiner in 2015, a cryptocurrency mining company dedicated to utilizing green energy from hydro power stations in the Austrian Alps.
[...]
Nadine Damblon is the CEO of HydroMiner. Ms. Nadine Damblon began crypto mining in 2014 and clearly has a passion for the field. At the company she manages business development, strategic planning and networking.

Nicole Damblon is the CFO of HydroMiner. The two sisters actually began crypto mining together in 2014, in Dusseldorf. Ms. Nicole Damblon grew their HydroMiner venture right from the start in their apartment. She moved to Vienna in 2016 to be HydroMiner’s CFO.
[...]
HydroMiner is a company to watch, as they are not only a cryptocurrency mining company but also use green energy from hydro power stations from the beautiful alpine region of Europe."

3. We have not incorporated a company, yet. We are currently in the process of figuring out the best company structure. After legal consultations, we figured out that it largely depends on how big the investment gets - it just has many factors like legal cost, company establishment costs, tax costs, etc. So we will wait until the tokensale is over to establish HydroMiner in the best possible form, maybe even as a stock corporation.  

- Team HydroMiner

Who is lying?
legendary
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Hey guys Smiley

Please read the newest blog post that explains why many people consider cloud mining to be a scam and what makes us different from the rest.

https://www.hydrominer.org/many-people-consider-cloud-mining-scam/
makes "us"? You belong to the team?
full member
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Hey guys Smiley

Please read the newest blog post that explains why many people consider cloud mining to be a scam and what makes us different from the rest.

https://www.hydrominer.org/many-people-consider-cloud-mining-scam/
legendary
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The ANN in German will be up tomorrow.
still doesn't exist as for now...
legendary
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I don't know about any countries with prices lower than that, except for some cases where energy is state-subsidized
There are districts in China and India where the industrial grade prices are a bit lower (non state-subsidized). Good example state-subsidized electricity are the UAE.

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There are other factors to take into account apart from current mining profitability, such as the perceived undervaluation of a certain coin.
Mining operations and exchange rate speculations are two different things. In the moment when another coin is more profitable and you still belong to a coin with lower profitability because you think it is undervaluated, you are loosing money and you start to speculate with investors money on higher exchange rates.

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2) The land next to the hydro power station is limited - Who owns it and how do you intend to expand?
The space requirement is linked/limited to the generated electricity of the power station. Expanding means to lease an additional power station.
legendary
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Very promising project concept. Some questions and comments:

1) The hydro power station is not owned by you - I presume Austrian Gov owns them, hence, leasing is subjected to control.
2) The land next to the hydro power station is limited - Who owns it and how do you intend to expand?
3) How many and do you intend to expand into other hydro power stations - after you collected investors money?
4) Could you also work out the estimated ROI for an investor of 50 eth, base on your 80% profit distribution.
5) Can you make a comparison of a typical mining operation cost in China and Hydrominer?

Again, great idea, but need to address some pointers.
Good questions
hero member
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To boldly go where no rabbit has gone before...
This is too much for me to participate in presale as minimum is set at 50 ETH but since project is very interesting and potential of course is very high. I will keep in touch and in next round which will be main funding with more flexibility to invest, in that will invest some amount of money.

Wait, is minimum 50 ETH per person, or is minimum 50 ETH for project in whole???


50 ETH per person. Roughly $15k each
newbie
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Very promising project concept. Some questions and comments:

1) The hydro power station is not owned by you - I presume Austrian Gov owns them, hence, leasing is subjected to control.
2) The land next to the hydro power station is limited - Who owns it and how do you intend to expand?
3) How many and do you intend to expand into other hydro power stations - after you collected investors money?
4) Could you also work out the estimated ROI for an investor of 50 eth, base on your 80% profit distribution.
5) Can you make a comparison of a typical mining operation cost in China and Hydrominer?

Again, great idea, but need to address some pointers.
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 250
Project looks great. I am participating in the bounty only becourse i belive in it and is thinking about doing something similuar in Sweden. I got one question tho. Why the focus on ETH in the whitepaper? Eth is by far not the most profitable coin to mine with GPUs, especially not with nvidia GPUs. Zcash is far better on that.

Hello Tidsdilatation,

mining will be switched as the team sees more profitable in every moment. There are other factors to take into account apart from current mining profitability, such as the perceived undervaluation of a certain coin.

Check out this site: https://whattomine.com/ and you will see that currently Ethereum is the 3rd most profitable coin to mine with GPU.

And also check out this article from the HydroMiner team to learn more from the approach to coin selection:
https://www.hydrominer.org/what-does-hydrominer-mine/

Thank you for clearifying. That was a mistake of mine not being properly informed before asking. Thanks.
legendary
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Project looks great. I am participating in the bounty only becourse i belive in it and is thinking about doing something similuar in Sweden. I got one question tho. Why the focus on ETH in the whitepaper? Eth is by far not the most profitable coin to mine with GPUs, especially not with nvidia GPUs. Zcash is far better on that.

Hello Tidsdilatation,

mining will be switched as the team sees more profitable in every moment. There are other factors to take into account apart from current mining profitability, such as the perceived undervaluation of a certain coin.

Check out this site: https://whattomine.com/ and you will see that currently Ethereum is the 3rd most profitable coin to mine with GPU.

And also check out this article from the HydroMiner team to learn more from the approach to coin selection:
https://www.hydrominer.org/what-does-hydrominer-mine/
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 250
Project looks great. I am participating in the bounty only becourse i belive in it and is thinking about doing something similuar in Sweden. I got one question tho. Why the focus on ETH in the whitepaper? Eth is by far not the most profitable coin to mine with GPUs, especially not with nvidia GPUs. Zcash is far better on that.
legendary
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And how much % will bring 1H2O?
Nobody can tell you that for sure. Revenue is depending on difficulty und exchange rate. The lower the diff. and the higher the exchange rate the higher is the profit. The gap between diff. and exchange rate is driven by the price of electricity. To be more precise: It is driven by the price of electricity where the big players have their mining operations located.
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But hydeo is renevable, so it should, in theory lower the power cost close to 0
Don't forget about insurance, security, maintenance, repairs,... in real they have between 4.25 and 4.50 cent/kWh (see whitepaper). This is very cheap within Europe, but there are still countrys out there with lower prices.

What happens once the operational costs are higher than the revenue? In that case tokens are worth nothing.

I don't know about any countries with prices lower than that, except for some cases where energy is state-subsidized, which means that the subsidies can end at any moment (like it has happened recently in Argentina) and are also often limited to small home consumption. And of course you also have to consider the availability of a reliable energy distribution network, security around the site, and many other factors.
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