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Quote from: dioanna on June 26, 2018, 06:58:12 PM

Quote from: democity on June 24, 2018, 07:42:28 PM

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Quote from: dioanna on June 24, 2018, 06:58:42 PM

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Quote from: pritibitisi on June 23, 2018, 07:31:08 PM

SCE platform will offer wallet with multiple currencies kept in safe manner and is impossible to
hack. How can you assure us that the wallet is really secure and impossible to be hacked?

yeah whats the assurance about the security of their wallet? even the altcoins that already on the Top 10 in the cryptomarket cannot avoid this to happen.

im really curious what is SCE solution about this,
security of coin wallets has been one of the serious problem in cryptocurrency world.

this feature is very important because here is where you keep our coins,
We wouldnt want to keep our paper money in a wallet that has a big hole in it, right?

yes this one of the major risks in crypocurrencies. Theft, phising and hacked wallet
SCE will solve a major problem if they will be able to create such secured wallet.

They must say so when they publicize the project. Did the project organizers say that we can not guarantee the safety of our wallet? Even if there are problems, it is normal to be able to quickly reflect repairs.

if Smart city Eco have develop such secured wallet. This could be one of the best feature
aside from the one stop shop city that they want to create.

But for now i have gathered this several tips on how can you avoid the above mentioned problems in our wallets?
1.Always verify a Web wallet’s address, and don’t follow links to an Internet bank or Web wallet.
2.Before sending, double-check the recipient’s address (at least check the first and last characters),
the amount being sent, and the size of the associated fee.
3.Write down a mnemonic phrase that allows you to recover a cryptowallet if you lose it or forget your password.
4.Keep a cool head and make informed decisions when crypto-investing, and don’t panic or hurry.
5.Always remember that crypto-investment is very risky. Do not invest more than you’re ready to lose at any moment. Diversify your investments.
6.Use cryptocurrency hardware wallets.
7.Run high-quality antivirus protection to protect the devices you use to access cryptowallets, trade on crypto-exchanges, and so on.

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Quote from: democity on June 24, 2018, 07:42:28 PM

Quote from: pritibitisi on June 24, 2018, 07:40:29 PM

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Quote from: dioanna on June 24, 2018, 06:58:42 PM

Quote from: Jrfranco on June 23, 2018, 07:48:33 PM

Quote from: pritibitisi on June 23, 2018, 07:31:08 PM

SCE platform will offer wallet with multiple currencies kept in safe manner and is impossible to
hack. How can you assure us that the wallet is really secure and impossible to be hacked?

yeah whats the assurance about the security of their wallet? even the altcoins that already on the Top 10 in the cryptomarket cannot avoid this to happen.

im really curious what is SCE solution about this,
security of coin wallets has been one of the serious problem in cryptocurrency world.

this feature is very important because here is where you keep our coins,
We wouldnt want to keep our paper money in a wallet that has a big hole in it, right?

yes this one of the major risks in crypocurrencies. Theft, phising and hacked wallet
SCE will solve a major problem if they will be able to create such secured wallet.

They must say so when they publicize the project. Did the project organizers say that we can not guarantee the safety of our wallet? Even if there are problems, it is normal to be able to quickly reflect repairs.

if Smart city Eco have develop such secured wallet. This could be one of the best feature
aside from the one stop shop city that they want to create.

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Quote from: Muanna on June 25, 2018, 02:44:54 PM

Quote from: Dump3er on June 25, 2018, 09:32:21 AM

Quote from: BeshyJelly on June 24, 2018, 10:46:07 PM

Casino playing maybe the one that will brought this project through success. Many people are giving into playing casino games. Good sign of interest on this feature of the project. One question only, what games you will offer on this concept?

But since that is also a huge market there will be a lot of business competing for this space. It is popular but competition is strong.

You are right. Competetion indeed is strong but the most profitable and the most creative one will get more players. The one with more chance of profit and winning will catch more gamblers. Smart City Eco will for sure make it happen.

It maybe for now Smart city eco is not in the stage of being one of the giants competitors, sooner or later they can reach what they want it to

be. But the most important things for now is to spread out the Smart city eco to anyone to share it in the social media friends in twitter,

Facebook, Telegrams, Medium or more to make it happen, sin't right?

I doubt it, smart city eco doesn't focuses only on online casino, they have lot of services to offer.
And also not all person who will use this project is a gambler. There are also people who are social media addict. I think it's safe to say that all services in smart city eco will brought this to success.

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Quote from: natsu_koo on June 26, 2018, 06:19:20 PM

Quote from: beermen on June 25, 2018, 11:45:31 PM

Quote from: Chimecho on June 25, 2018, 11:02:07 AM

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Quote from: jcpone on June 20, 2018, 12:39:25 AM

I was reading the thread and I think this platform is very ambitious. Ambitious as it is, I really love to see how dedicated the dev is in their vision. I really like the idea but the problem is, are they really capable of doing this platform? I believe it would be best if they can show us the structure of how each project will go. It is easy to generalize concept but it is harder to execute ideas. I hope in their next update, they will show us how they will meet their goal.

You also noticed that things pal, actually it is one of the significant things for us to know the structure of this project they have, and I think

whitepaper is not enough for us to be convince as well but to catch and get the attention of the whaler investors too, isn't right?

Yes the children are safe in the house just playing online games and also they can find friend through playing the game with the help of internet,
and also I agree with you that the outside world is very different nowadays because some children may think differently in what you expect.

there are no feature on this project about online games but gambling!
am i right? so what is the meaning of this?
there are many branches on the project but didnt get this! im sorry but please lecture me on where you are getting this! PLEASE!

I think that this project also offers online gaming where gamers earn tokens while playing.
I'm not pretty sure how online games work through this project but I do think that there is online gaming smart city is offering.

Yes! And besides most of reply from different person in this thread are talking about online gaming where there children can play.
I've heard that they have their new and presentable whitepaper maybe you should read that too.

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Quote from: beermen on June 25, 2018, 11:45:31 PM

Quote from: Chimecho on June 25, 2018, 11:02:07 AM

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Quote from: jcpone on June 20, 2018, 12:39:25 AM

I was reading the thread and I think this platform is very ambitious. Ambitious as it is, I really love to see how dedicated the dev is in their vision. I really like the idea but the problem is, are they really capable of doing this platform? I believe it would be best if they can show us the structure of how each project will go. It is easy to generalize concept but it is harder to execute ideas. I hope in their next update, they will show us how they will meet their goal.

You also noticed that things pal, actually it is one of the significant things for us to know the structure of this project they have, and I think

whitepaper is not enough for us to be convince as well but to catch and get the attention of the whaler investors too, isn't right?

Yes the children are safe in the house just playing online games and also they can find friend through playing the game with the help of internet,
and also I agree with you that the outside world is very different nowadays because some children may think differently in what you expect.

there are no feature on this project about online games but gambling!
am i right? so what is the meaning of this?
there are many branches on the project but didnt get this! im sorry but please lecture me on where you are getting this! PLEASE!

I think that this project also offers online gaming where gamers earn tokens while playing.
I'm not pretty sure how online games work through this project but I do think that there is online gaming smart city is offering.

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Quote from: katropaTNT on June 25, 2018, 11:16:09 PM

Quote from: Gambitter on June 25, 2018, 10:33:11 AM

Quote from: Dump3er on June 25, 2018, 09:32:21 AM

Quote from: BeshyJelly on June 24, 2018, 10:46:07 PM

Casino playing maybe the one that will brought this project through success. Many people are giving into playing casino games. Good sign of interest on this feature of the project. One question only, what games you will offer on this concept?

But since that is also a huge market there will be a lot of business competing for this space. It is popular but competition is strong.

but they had their own unique features and offers which could also be attracting to some players and users and at the same time more investors to come and try out their product. we know that when it comes to gambling there are many out there, but it seems to be old fashioned and almost all of them are the same, this new features made it more interesting.

NO NO NO NO NO NO
this projedct will have their place in cryptocurrency not because on gambling!
this is a cool regulated project.
not a gambling alone!
there are plenty of projects on their platform kindly revise it.

Yes! The project doesn't revolve only on online casino gambling.
The smart city has lot of services to offer not gambling alone.

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Quote from: alpha001 on June 26, 2018, 05:36:10 PM

Quote from: activemind on June 25, 2018, 10:33:24 PM

Its a smart city that is located on the web, and the citizens are all who choose to participate in it
we want to provide a one stop shop solution for all problems seen by our development team
Las vegas was created also on a idea, that idea might not be interesting to people
who do not like to gamble, we have provided solution for many problems
some people come here and look for online job, we have provided solution for that.
Some people look to play games but most of games are not interesting to be played without
any potencial to get a profit, people play online games and just pay for upgrades
what if u could profit if u play that game seriosly and develop your characters.
Security of peoples money is very important.

I can't say anything much about the other offers of Smart City Eco, but for gaming, let me give you my idea as well. Gamers love to play high quality games that can show how good they are at gaming. That is why games like ROS, PUBG, LOL, Dota 2 are most popular now a days and some even giving away millions of dollars during international championship. If SCE will develop similar product or games for their gaming. I am sure gamers will flock their platform.

It will be great if they will have a game similar to LOL or ROS. I also play those games. I think the gaming portion will be added to the latter part of Smart City Eco platform. You can always check out the online shopping platform as well as the social networking platform. This two are good platform to test and connect with more people and buy stuffs that you need. Nice concept Smart City Eco. I have a lot of option where I can spend my SCE token in the future.

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Quote from: PostNPlay on June 26, 2018, 01:38:14 PM

Quote from: Elexsis on June 25, 2018, 08:16:06 PM

Quote from: Anonyms on June 24, 2018, 09:19:25 PM

They are planning on having a social network platform? Really?There is somewhat a great difficulty in establishing the competitors' information but if they intend to enter that market, they should study about it, especially since social networking industry giants are just too big.

That`s right a lot of competitors right now especially in the online community, it needs more popularity to gain more supporters that can actually help this project more efficient, because this project is just at the starting line and maybe they encountered so many project that is more advantage. I hope this project will run for long and become successful also.

I don't think this Social Networking Network platform is worth a try. This will be the avenue to be connected to people. This platform is intended for the companies to recognize their applicants. I heard that they will somehow get some idea from some hiring social networking platform such as LinkIn. Correct me if I am wrong with this. This is somewhat I remember.

Oh, I see. I didn't know that. I think the social networking paltform is still something good to try. Remember before facebook there was friendster and as you can see, facebook has grown into a multi-billion company while friendster was removed from the competition. What I am trying to say is that there are a lot of money that goes into social networking platforms thru advertisement like what facebook is doing now. Facebook has practically become a marketplace. Anyway with Smart City Eco's concept, connecting to people is a must and the Social networking platform will be able to help achieve that as well.

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Quote from: activemind on June 25, 2018, 10:33:24 PM

Its a smart city that is located on the web, and the citizens are all who choose to participate in it
we want to provide a one stop shop solution for all problems seen by our development team
Las vegas was created also on a idea, that idea might not be interesting to people
who do not like to gamble, we have provided solution for many problems
some people come here and look for online job, we have provided solution for that.
Some people look to play games but most of games are not interesting to be played without
any potencial to get a profit, people play online games and just pay for upgrades
what if u could profit if u play that game seriosly and develop your characters.
Security of peoples money is very important.

I can't say anything much about the other offers of Smart City Eco, but for gaming, let me give you my idea as well. Gamers love to play high quality games that can show how good they are at gaming. That is why games like ROS, PUBG, LOL, Dota 2 are most popular now a days and some even giving away millions of dollars during international championship. If SCE will develop similar product or games for their gaming. I am sure gamers will flock their platform.

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Quote from: giga19 on June 26, 2018, 04:05:01 PM

Quote from: alpha001 on June 20, 2018, 05:55:01 PM

Quote from: chess888 on June 19, 2018, 10:34:58 PM

Quote from: JoshyKulotski on June 18, 2018, 10:13:36 PM

Last time I visited on this Thread I noticed so many haters and bashes, and even I look at this as unprofessional. But now I noticed so many supporters, future users and maybe future investors looking this project as a success in matter of online shopping, online gaming, online hiring, and online casino. Reading your whitepaper is a blast truly "Do Not Judge Easily". Great concept, great idea, and may be a great platform in the near future.

Yes, previously there where a lot of negative and skeptic people around here. Well maybe they have realized that Smart City Eco really offers great opportunity to all. I myself have been doubtful in the beginning since the project is so Big and have so many features and it seems unrealistic. But when I checked the whitepaper and read more comments on this thread that is the time I realized that the idea of Smart City Eco is something that will be rewarding to investors and user as well. The many features and platforms within Smart City Eco gives more people more choices and options to where they can spend their SCE tokens. This in effect will give more value to it. Also, based on their time table, they have not made promises of finishing it in just a short time but instead it will take them two years too before they will release their beta version of Smart City. I believe this is enough time to finish this project. I wish everyone on the team Good luck.

This is true. Well you cant blame everyone for expressing their doubt for the first time. I think we all have that idea of doubt when we see a new company or new project being offered. We always need to ask questions like, what is good about this project? Is it not a scam? Does this project offers great benefit for its users? and other similar questions. Doubting and asking question is only natural as it makes us users and investors take a good look of the project and what it has to offer. I am glad that more and more people are looking at Smart City Eco in a positive light.

But you know what, I doubt, if there were no bashers and negative comments, the Smart City Eco will not be motivated to make improvements. Besides those negative comments are opinion of readers. If it wasn’t true, then nobody will notice the negative but since those negative comments are I think numerous, then SCE, have done steps to do improvements on negative comments, and now the outcome is just good.

Yes that is right. As you can see, Smart City Eco made improvements with their whitepaper, website and marketing materials. Accepting criticism and making use of that criticism to improve oneself is a true sign of a mature person and this is what we see with Smart City Eco. They are willing to change, adopt and is flexible to what people think is better for them as well. Currently we can only see positive comments mostly with Smart City Eco.

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Quote from: meimyself on June 20, 2018, 12:46:35 AM

Quote from: ANGELA07 on June 20, 2018, 12:08:58 AM

Quote from: JoshJelly on June 19, 2018, 10:53:23 PM

Any security and privacy patterns on every feature of your project? Because you had that Online shop, online gaming, online hiring and online casino feature, so it is impossible that it has no profile information. Internet is broad and dangerous so any patterns to secure our accounts to be made?

If the parents create reasonable guidelines with their children and create positive agreements around playing online games then struggles like kids staying up late playing on their computers, disinterest in school activities or work and problems with children isolating themselves do not need to become an issue.

If you guide your child in the process of choosing an age appropriate game, talk with other parents and your
child to decide how much and when online games will be played.

Introducing online games with moderation and limits can be a fun way to pass a bit of time and learn new things.

it is important for a parent to guide his or her child for not being able to relinquish or interfere with such things as online games as it is the first time that children can not play badly as long as it is suitable for her to learn a child.

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Quote from: Durugista on June 26, 2018, 03:01:33 AM

Quote from: rhomzkie26 on June 26, 2018, 01:38:54 AM

Quote from: Elexsis on June 25, 2018, 08:16:06 PM

Quote from: Anonyms on June 24, 2018, 09:19:25 PM

They are planning on having a social network platform? Really?There is somewhat a great difficulty in establishing the competitors' information but if they intend to enter that market, they should study about it, especially since social networking industry giants are just too big.

That`s right a lot of competitors right now especially in the online community, it needs more popularity to gain more supporters that can actually help this project more efficient, because this project is just at the starting line and maybe they encountered so many project that is more advantage. I hope this project will run for long and become successful also.

In this field of business industry, the most important matter is the good marketing strategy, because no matter how the whitepaper is good but

the strategy is too weak its useless for sure and everything will end into nothing. But if the marketing strategy will grab and embrace by the

community together with the investors for sure the project will end into success result. And I think SCE has a capability to do it and has a

potential to achieve those planned they have.

Smart City Eco tend to give a great economical and global online improvement by the use of their platform, as i viewed their site, I noticed that it is a good investment and gaming site, also online shopping is available in their platform, the real question is, How can they handle the number of users in their platform? How can they maintain that users in a long period of time? what system is they using?

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Quote from: Bigboss0912 on June 26, 2018, 04:32:53 PM

Quote from: Khayem on June 26, 2018, 08:50:18 AM

Quote from: Citriney on June 26, 2018, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: Jnissi on June 26, 2018, 05:23:57 AM

All in all this project is perfect and will in demand to each and everyone of us. All that they want to offer here is what we will need. Actually they just saw this need ahead and though we need them we dont really thought about that we need them. For the use of token for example, untill now we are still keeping our cryptocurrency in our wallet with no other use but to wait for exchange and trade aside from that nothing more. With smart city everywhere in the platform their token will be used in every transactions there.

Smart City Eco wants to offer a virtual online city where we can do lots of things.You are right, the SCE Tokens will be used here as a way to purchase goods and available services other than just keeping it and wait for the right time for exchange and trade.

Yes, that's right! Smart City Eco's plan is set around in their token with multiple uses.Having a full ecosystem built around your token is
truly enticing.There will be lots of possible partnership, a lot of companies and people who are finding ways to get into the world of cryptocurrency right now.

yeah i agree with you smart city eco they plan to have more tokens for use. so very good system is used smart city eco because time is going to be that many companies join to use cryptocurrency in the future.

i agree with you guys, smart city eco has a very great solution for our economy. smart city eco tokens has different uses you can buy products and be delivered to you door to door. and will using or buying stuff with sce tokens you are gaining benefits as well.

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Quote from: Khayem on June 26, 2018, 08:50:18 AM

Quote from: Citriney on June 26, 2018, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: Jnissi on June 26, 2018, 05:23:57 AM

All in all this project is perfect and will in demand to each and everyone of us. All that they want to offer here is what we will need. Actually they just saw this need ahead and though we need them we dont really thought about that we need them. For the use of token for example, untill now we are still keeping our cryptocurrency in our wallet with no other use but to wait for exchange and trade aside from that nothing more. With smart city everywhere in the platform their token will be used in every transactions there.

Smart City Eco wants to offer a virtual online city where we can do lots of things.You are right, the SCE Tokens will be used here as a way to purchase goods and available services other than just keeping it and wait for the right time for exchange and trade.

Yes, that's right! Smart City Eco's plan is set around in their token with multiple uses.Having a full ecosystem built around your token is
truly enticing.There will be lots of possible partnership, a lot of companies and people who are finding ways to get into the world of cryptocurrency right now.

yeah i agree with you smart city eco they plan to have more tokens for use. so very good system is used smart city eco because time is going to be that many companies join to use cryptocurrency in the future.

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Quote from: powerglade on June 26, 2018, 04:18:05 PM

Quote from: Dwey on June 26, 2018, 04:05:55 PM

its nice to see that smart city eco has its partnerships. if they are able to develope the platform and they are able to to show good intent the partners are not that difficult to find. there are alot of companies, alot of people that are looking to get in the crypto currency space right now that are willing to be a part of such platforms like smart city eco.

marrying communities it is absolutely crucial to the success of so many crypto currencies now.specially ones like smart city eco that are trying to make a platform, trying to make a eco system and not just a currency that their throw and exchange.

the team behind smart city eco are a very hard working team. these guys have a true plan right now, sending around their token as we can see in their whitepaper there's multiple uses of their SCE tokens.and im looking forward on how this will line up with the real world uses.

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Quote from: Dwey on June 26, 2018, 04:05:55 PM

its nice to see that smart city eco has its partnerships. if they are able to develope the platform and they are able to to show good intent the partners are not that difficult to find. there are alot of companies, alot of people that are looking to get in the crypto currency space right now that are willing to be a part of such platforms like smart city eco.

marrying communities it is absolutely crucial to the success of so many crypto currencies now.specially ones like smart city eco that are trying to make a platform, trying to make a eco system and not just a currency that their throw and exchange.

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Quote from: Nellayar on June 26, 2018, 07:45:41 AM

Quote from: Jlimao28 on June 26, 2018, 07:29:49 AM

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We want to provide people with a solution for unemployment, also to provide solution for people looking to hire someone to finish some work they do not want to do or have no knowledge to finish it, additionally, to provide outsourcing platform to other ICOs and partners.

- Can you clear to us here in what aspect can you give a solution for unemployment? Does SCE is the one who will give the company for the applicants or

unemployed people? Or are you the one SCE will hire for the job seekers? Please specify literally, we are expecting a clear answer from your good team on

this project as well

When we look upon the construction of grammar, Smart City Eco enumerated the aspects found inside their platform. Did you see that there is a comma? It means that they enumerated what does the objectives of Smart City Eco. They want to have solution with unemployment because around their ecosystem, they bring works to the people. Just like their platform about online shopping where we can use our skills in selling online products.

Yeah! I get your point dude. But I think that the sentence had only one idea wherein they will provide a work for all. It is like a freelance platform or job hiring platform. Well, I cannot see it to the objectives of SCE. It seems like they goes faraway to what they want to build. Games, gambling and online shopping, that is what I know with SCE. But I think they will never let unemployment passed to their project.

the smart city eco platform is very different from everything because you can see every detail is important in every word or line so your system can say that high quality. so I'm grateful for the smart city eco with the programs they help our people The business is online busness.

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looks nice project,hope run it well,i wish for the best of this ,good luck team

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its nice to see that smart city eco has its partnerships. if they are able to develope the platform and they are able to to show good intent the partners are not that difficult to find. there are alot of companies, alot of people that are looking to get in the crypto currency space right now that are willing to be a part of such platforms like smart city eco.

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Quote from: alpha001 on June 20, 2018, 05:55:01 PM

Quote from: chess888 on June 19, 2018, 10:34:58 PM

Quote from: JoshyKulotski on June 18, 2018, 10:13:36 PM

Last time I visited on this Thread I noticed so many haters and bashes, and even I look at this as unprofessional. But now I noticed so many supporters, future users and maybe future investors looking this project as a success in matter of online shopping, online gaming, online hiring, and online casino. Reading your whitepaper is a blast truly "Do Not Judge Easily". Great concept, great idea, and may be a great platform in the near future.

Yes, previously there where a lot of negative and skeptic people around here. Well maybe they have realized that Smart City Eco really offers great opportunity to all. I myself have been doubtful in the beginning since the project is so Big and have so many features and it seems unrealistic. But when I checked the whitepaper and read more comments on this thread that is the time I realized that the idea of Smart City Eco is something that will be rewarding to investors and user as well. The many features and platforms within Smart City Eco gives more people more choices and options to where they can spend their SCE tokens. This in effect will give more value to it. Also, based on their time table, they have not made promises of finishing it in just a short time but instead it will take them two years too before they will release their beta version of Smart City. I believe this is enough time to finish this project. I wish everyone on the team Good luck.

This is true. Well you cant blame everyone for expressing their doubt for the first time. I think we all have that idea of doubt when we see a new company or new project being offered. We always need to ask questions like, what is good about this project? Is it not a scam? Does this project offers great benefit for its users? and other similar questions. Doubting and asking question is only natural as it makes us users and investors take a good look of the project and what it has to offer. I am glad that more and more people are looking at Smart City Eco in a positive light.

But you know what, I doubt, if there were no bashers and negative comments, the Smart City Eco will not be motivated to make improvements. Besides those negative comments are opinion of readers. If it wasn’t true, then nobody will notice the negative but since those negative comments are I think numerous, then SCE, have done steps to do improvements on negative comments, and now the outcome is just good.

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