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sr. member
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September 22, 2016, 08:44:56 AM
Devcon2 is just ended. hope to see ICONOMI team in devcon3 after 1 year

full member
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September 22, 2016, 08:44:34 AM

Yes it is normal. The more money flows into the ICO, the more your investment dilutes.

Ok Thx
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September 22, 2016, 08:43:08 AM
A few Questions for the Iconomi team:

1) Do I have to have a "MIST" with full ETH blockchain to exercise my voting rights & receive Dividends? 

2) If I leave everything on Iconomi website, can I still exercise all rights and receive Dividends? 

3) What happens if I send ICNs to an Exchange like Poloniex?  How do I receive Dividends?  Will I still be able to Vote?


Anyway, I've been very impressed so far with Iconomi and where I think it's headed. I've invested so much more into this ICO than to any other ICO.  GO Iconomi!

1) Mist will be just one of options for the ones wanting to hold their ETC in their total control.

2) If you leave everything on ICONOMI you will be able to exercise all right and receive dividends too

3) If you keep ICN on an exchange you will be receiving dividends too (unless some exchange don't support that, but in that case probably no one would wanna keep/trade there). If they will implement voting will depends on exchanges as well
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September 22, 2016, 08:38:02 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

every time I check My Iconomi account my ICN  decrease every time , I don't really like much in this way ...shouldn't we have had a cap for the ico? Please Dev  clarify

cap is 21000BTC

ok so how come The ICN are decreasing ...is it normal ?

Did you not read anything at all prior to sending money?

What Do you mean ?? I Know in the beginning should have been 2000BTC and after they extend to 21000Btc so I understand the adjustment from 2000 to 21000 but not an adjustment from last week ...so my question was is it normal ?
full member
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September 22, 2016, 08:33:39 AM
Ok my question is this, how will random people who know nothing about crypto be able to invest in an ICONOMI managed fund?

Will they have to know anything about using cryptocurrency? Or will they be able to invest using fiat currency?

(Note I'm not talking about investing in the ICO, I'm talking about the future managed funds on the platform)


They will not have to know anything about cryptocurrency.

There will be many more convenient ways to invest into funds on the platform (local bank accounts among other things).
sr. member
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September 22, 2016, 08:32:47 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

every time I check My Iconomi account my ICN  decrease every time , I don't really like much in this way ...shouldn't we have had a cap for the ico? Please Dev  clarify

cap is 21000BTC

ok so how come The ICN are decreasing ...is it normal ?

Yes it is normal. The more money flows into the ICO, the more your investment dilutes.
full member
Activity: 141
Merit: 100
September 22, 2016, 08:28:54 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

every time I check My Iconomi account my ICN  decrease every time , I don't really like much in this way ...shouldn't we have had a cap for the ico? Please Dev  clarify

cap is 21000BTC

ok so how come The ICN are decreasing ...is it normal ?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
September 22, 2016, 08:21:33 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

every time I check My Iconomi account my ICN  decrease every time , I don't really like much in this way ...shouldn't we have had a cap for the ico? Please Dev  clarify

cap is 21000BTC
full member
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Merit: 100
September 22, 2016, 08:15:08 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

every time I check My Iconomi account my ICN  decrease every time , I don't really like much in this way ...shouldn't we have had a cap for the ico? Please Dev  clarify
sr. member
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September 22, 2016, 07:00:44 AM
Ha, the first crypto to actually move up launch dates. If this is any indication of things to come, then this should be a fun ride Smiley

Why?
hero member
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September 22, 2016, 06:36:51 AM
Ha, the first crypto to actually move up launch dates. If this is any indication of things to come, then this should be a fun ride Smiley
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September 22, 2016, 04:23:32 AM
it will grow, i heard that they will give visa cards to their ico investors.

looks like not true

Each ICO participant will be able to receive debit card. Regardless of the amount invested. However, we'll have to set a threshold above which we'll be able to send it for free.

For example, we can't send it for free to someone who invested 50 USD for example.
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September 22, 2016, 04:17:28 AM
what price of the coin at the moment?

Can't get accurate figure right, now, but estimated figure is 9k-11k sat. Should wait for final calculation based on total fund raised.

$5,181,938.61 / 100,000,000 = $.0518
6m = 6 cent
7m = 7 cent
etc etc

The more you put in, the more the coin actually costs; but also remember this will not reflect the exchange launch prices... token holders set that themselves.

The way you calculate is wrong, ico price is devided by ico tokens, not the total supply, so: $5,181,938.61 / 85,000,000 is correct, others ico also calculate like this way: waves, lisk, stratis.

There is another example so you can understand it easier. AMP first ico sold 50 M coins, but their total supply is 1.6 billion, the first ico price is: XXXXX usd/50m, not XXXXX/1.6 billion.

I beg to differ, the developers token will be part of the calculation

You sure you know how to calculate ico price? Learn from other projects, devs tokens do not distribute to ico investors, no need to calculate part.
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Think or swim.
September 22, 2016, 03:35:07 AM
what price of the coin at the moment?

Can't get accurate figure right, now, but estimated figure is 9k-11k sat. Should wait for final calculation based on total fund raised.

$5,181,938.61 / 100,000,000 = $.0518
6m = 6 cent
7m = 7 cent
etc etc

The more you put in, the more the coin actually costs; but also remember this will not reflect the exchange launch prices... token holders set that themselves.

The way you calculate is wrong, ico price is devided by ico tokens, not the total supply, so: $5,181,938.61 / 85,000,000 is correct, others ico also calculate like this way: waves, lisk, stratis.

There is another example so you can understand it easier. AMP first ico sold 50 M coins, but their total supply is 1.6 billion, the first ico price is: XXXXX usd/50m, not XXXXX/1.6 billion.
aah right... didn't think of that.

5,181,938 / 85,000,000 = .06

6,000,000 / 85,000,000 = .07


some good news for us on the supporting chain.... http://www.coindesk.com/nasdaq-veteran-ethereum-foundation-security-lead/
sr. member
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September 22, 2016, 03:17:28 AM
Somebody has counted at least approximately how many of the signature tokens will?

When i look at exel sheet look like we have about 1200 stakes with 600 000 bouty so it will be ~500 ICO per week 0.05BTC but adding next week and with all in Cheesy
It will be 200-300 per stake 0.02-0,03 BTC per week.

number of stakes taken depends on your rank.


I did some excel vodoo and calculated.
That with known stats and everyone keeps up the 10 post per week there will be 55,605 Shares.

600,000/55,605= 10.8 token per share

This means the following:
Sr. Member, Hero or Legendary gets 860 tokens each week with max 6 weeks = 5,160 tokens
Full member gets 540 tokens each week with 6 max weeks = 3,240 tokens
Member/jr gets 325 tokens each week with 6 max weeks = 1,950 tokens
hero member
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September 22, 2016, 03:06:44 AM
it will grow, i heard that they will give visa cards to their ico investors.

They will offer debit cards and even special ones for ICO investors (those will spend a certain amount in ICO).
full member
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September 22, 2016, 03:05:36 AM
it will grow, i heard that they will give visa cards to their ico investors.
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September 22, 2016, 02:40:03 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

1. How much have you invested in ICONOMI before the ICO launch date? I.e. how much will be taken from the ICO funds to cover your past operational costs?

2. What tools will you use for trading? Your own software? Will ICONOMI own that software too? Will ICN holders have access to that tools or an ability to use them?

3. Who and how will take the decisions about the profits distribution? For example, to reinvest a certain amount in the new features development or to pay as dividends?

4. Who and how will take another important management and strategic decisions in ICONOMI? Cashila? ICN holders? In what way?

5. I read about the voting system in the whitepaper. Can you give us some more details? Who will be eligible to vote? Who will decide when and what questions to vote for? Is voting system based on Ethereum smart contracts?

6. The Operator will be Cashila for the first two years, right? What’s the procedure for the Operator changing?

7. Who will audit your Ethereum smart contracts?

8. Will all the ICO funds be released from the Escrow at once or by parts?
I know the Escrow funds will be released after the first fund launch. What are the criteria for a successful fund launch? For example, if the fund will be launched but the cryptocurrencies will be accepted only, does it qualify for the Escrow release? Did you sign any agreements with the Escrow key holders? Can you publish them, maybe partially?

9. Will we know the names of ICONOMI experts who are to manage The ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE FUND? Do they have a successful trading history?

10. CoinFunds Whitepaper (https://www.iconomi.net/ICONOMI_Whitepaper.pdf) question.
Table 2 (page 9).
How did you choose the tokens for Table 2?
There are 9 tokens but these are not the lower 9 tokens from the Table 1.

11. Will you sign any contracts with people depositing with fiat?


Good questions.

Addressed here. I would like to see more discussion to address them with additional expectations where needed in a blog post.



1. How much have you invested in ICONOMI before the ICO launch date? I.e. how much will be taken from the ICO funds to cover your past operational costs?

We invested all the knowledge we got from operating Cashila.com. We start developing idea and start working on the product at the beginning of this year. All work before the ICO is considered as an investment into ICONOMI.


2. What tools will you use for trading? Your own software? Will ICONOMI own that software too? Will ICN holders have access to that tools or an ability to use them?

There won’t be trading tool, but fund management platform. It will be a proprietary software created and managed by Cashila as service operator and owned by ICONOMI shareholders. ICN will be owners in this case and will have same access to the platform as everyone else.


3. Who and how will take the decisions about the profits distribution? For example, to reinvest a certain amount in the new features development or to pay as dividends?

As described in Whitepaper all profits will be distributed to ICN token holders as long as we have ICO assets. After that revenue split 30:70, service operator 30%, ICN token holders, 70%. But as long as we have funds raised during ICO 100% of revenue will go to ICN token holders.


4. Who and how will take another important management and strategic decisions in ICONOMI? Cashila? ICN holders? In what way?

For first 24 months Cashila is the service operator, where Cashila management is making all important decisions communicated publicly in best possible way.


5. I read about the voting system in the whitepaper. Can you give us some more details? Who will be eligible to vote? Who will decide when and what questions to vote for? Is voting system based on Ethereum smart contracts?

ICONOMI will be issued on Ethereum platform as a smart contract, thus voting will be on Ethereum as well. Every keyholder at certain block will be eligible to vote. Wisdom of the crowd does not work here. The only question that will be ever to vote will be which operator to choose. Every two years there will be a vote for which operator to choose. Everyone will be able to apply. 50% + 1 wei will win the winning vote. If no one will gain sufficient majority contract will take first 50% + 1 wei of the voted members and create a new round of votes all until we have one sole winner.
In case of extraordinary events. A single vote with at least of 75% participation and ⅔ or majority votes will be able to push for a extraordinary meeting which can take place at anytime and vote for a new service operator.
A small but reasonable amount should be charged to apply as a candidate in order to prevent spamming with millions of anonymous accounts.


6. The Operator will be Cashila for the first two years, right? What’s the procedure for the Operator changing?

Every 2 years there is general voting where 50% + 1 wei is winning combination. At any given time there might be extraordinary voting event where yet to decide amount of voting will need to take place (probably 50%) where the only voting question will ever be if we wanna change current service operator. If result will be to change, then ordinary voting for new operator will happen afterwards.


7. Who will audit your Ethereum smart contracts?

Deja Vu. But we might get 2nd audit as well.


8. Will all the ICO funds be released from the Escrow at once or by parts?

I know the Escrow funds will be released after the first fund launch. What are the criteria for a successful fund launch? For example, if the fund will be launched but the cryptocurrencies will be accepted only, does it qualify for the Escrow release? Did you sign any agreements with the Escrow key holders? Can you publish them, maybe partially?

Fund launch is when funds are publicly open and individuals are able to invest in them. In fiat and cryptos. It’s a trust game. Gasper from Xaurum and Max from Lisk have their own project behind them and Alexander is a well known and respected in the community and no one has incentive to play in anything but the best faith. For example, if Max as a single keyholder for Lisk releases funds for no reason, then he jeopardises Lisk. And being dedicated to Lisk that much, he for sure won’t betray community trust that he was building for quite some time (even before Lisk).
We signed no “old economy” contract, but you can find all escrow partner’s confirmation of being keyholder in our OP.


9. Will we know the names of ICONOMI experts who are to manage The ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE FUND? Do they have a successful trading history?

Not trading history. This is not about trading. But investing into right project. Names will be published at the launch of the fund. Jani will be one for sure. With successful investing history.


10. CoinFunds Whitepaper (https://www.iconomi.net/ICONOMI_Whitepaper.pdf) question.
Table 2 (page 9).
How did you choose the tokens for Table 2?
There are 9 tokens but these are not the lower 9 tokens from the Table 1.

According to: categorisation, market cap, trading volumes. Within each category we defined it it is winner takes it all or if there can be more winners. This week a blog with release on ICONOMI.index will be published with better explanation of that.


11. Will you sign any contracts with people depositing with fiat?

No. Terms of use define that. Bank deposits are with us and we have a track of what each user got for it’s bank deposit - in order to avoid chargebacks.
People may be missed this part. quoted for them.


Thank you! I would suggest everyone to read questions and answers as well.
I am very satisfied with the answers. I don't have any doubt about my investment, 2000 people can't be wrong!
Keep up the good work dev. i can only guess who is behind the newbie account  Tongue

I have invested in the project too, but DAO proved 2000 people can be wrong. Just don't invest what you can't afford to lose though ICONOMI looks promising there is no need to be emotional with our investment.
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September 22, 2016, 02:36:53 AM
what price of the coin at the moment?

Can't get accurate figure right, now, but estimated figure is 9k-11k sat. Should wait for final calculation based on total fund raised.

$5,181,938.61 / 100,000,000 = $.0518
6m = 6 cent
7m = 7 cent
etc etc

The more you put in, the more the coin actually costs; but also remember this will not reflect the exchange launch prices... token holders set that themselves.

The way you calculate is wrong, ico price is devided by ico tokens, not the total supply, so: $5,181,938.61 / 85,000,000 is correct, others ico also calculate like this way: waves, lisk, stratis.

There is another example so you can understand it easier. AMP first ico sold 50 M coins, but their total supply is 1.6 billion, the first ico price is: XXXXX usd/50m, not XXXXX/1.6 billion.

I beg to differ, the developers token will be part of the calculation
sr. member
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September 22, 2016, 02:30:40 AM
Important questions for ICONOMI.

1. How much have you invested in ICONOMI before the ICO launch date? I.e. how much will be taken from the ICO funds to cover your past operational costs?

2. What tools will you use for trading? Your own software? Will ICONOMI own that software too? Will ICN holders have access to that tools or an ability to use them?

3. Who and how will take the decisions about the profits distribution? For example, to reinvest a certain amount in the new features development or to pay as dividends?

4. Who and how will take another important management and strategic decisions in ICONOMI? Cashila? ICN holders? In what way?

5. I read about the voting system in the whitepaper. Can you give us some more details? Who will be eligible to vote? Who will decide when and what questions to vote for? Is voting system based on Ethereum smart contracts?

6. The Operator will be Cashila for the first two years, right? What’s the procedure for the Operator changing?

7. Who will audit your Ethereum smart contracts?

8. Will all the ICO funds be released from the Escrow at once or by parts?
I know the Escrow funds will be released after the first fund launch. What are the criteria for a successful fund launch? For example, if the fund will be launched but the cryptocurrencies will be accepted only, does it qualify for the Escrow release? Did you sign any agreements with the Escrow key holders? Can you publish them, maybe partially?

9. Will we know the names of ICONOMI experts who are to manage The ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE FUND? Do they have a successful trading history?

10. CoinFunds Whitepaper (https://www.iconomi.net/ICONOMI_Whitepaper.pdf) question.
Table 2 (page 9).
How did you choose the tokens for Table 2?
There are 9 tokens but these are not the lower 9 tokens from the Table 1.

11. Will you sign any contracts with people depositing with fiat?


Good questions.

Addressed here. I would like to see more discussion to address them with additional expectations where needed in a blog post.



1. How much have you invested in ICONOMI before the ICO launch date? I.e. how much will be taken from the ICO funds to cover your past operational costs?

We invested all the knowledge we got from operating Cashila.com. We start developing idea and start working on the product at the beginning of this year. All work before the ICO is considered as an investment into ICONOMI.


2. What tools will you use for trading? Your own software? Will ICONOMI own that software too? Will ICN holders have access to that tools or an ability to use them?

There won’t be trading tool, but fund management platform. It will be a proprietary software created and managed by Cashila as service operator and owned by ICONOMI shareholders. ICN will be owners in this case and will have same access to the platform as everyone else.


3. Who and how will take the decisions about the profits distribution? For example, to reinvest a certain amount in the new features development or to pay as dividends?

As described in Whitepaper all profits will be distributed to ICN token holders as long as we have ICO assets. After that revenue split 30:70, service operator 30%, ICN token holders, 70%. But as long as we have funds raised during ICO 100% of revenue will go to ICN token holders.


4. Who and how will take another important management and strategic decisions in ICONOMI? Cashila? ICN holders? In what way?

For first 24 months Cashila is the service operator, where Cashila management is making all important decisions communicated publicly in best possible way.


5. I read about the voting system in the whitepaper. Can you give us some more details? Who will be eligible to vote? Who will decide when and what questions to vote for? Is voting system based on Ethereum smart contracts?

ICONOMI will be issued on Ethereum platform as a smart contract, thus voting will be on Ethereum as well. Every keyholder at certain block will be eligible to vote. Wisdom of the crowd does not work here. The only question that will be ever to vote will be which operator to choose. Every two years there will be a vote for which operator to choose. Everyone will be able to apply. 50% + 1 wei will win the winning vote. If no one will gain sufficient majority contract will take first 50% + 1 wei of the voted members and create a new round of votes all until we have one sole winner.
In case of extraordinary events. A single vote with at least of 75% participation and ⅔ or majority votes will be able to push for a extraordinary meeting which can take place at anytime and vote for a new service operator.
A small but reasonable amount should be charged to apply as a candidate in order to prevent spamming with millions of anonymous accounts.


6. The Operator will be Cashila for the first two years, right? What’s the procedure for the Operator changing?

Every 2 years there is general voting where 50% + 1 wei is winning combination. At any given time there might be extraordinary voting event where yet to decide amount of voting will need to take place (probably 50%) where the only voting question will ever be if we wanna change current service operator. If result will be to change, then ordinary voting for new operator will happen afterwards.


7. Who will audit your Ethereum smart contracts?

Deja Vu. But we might get 2nd audit as well.


8. Will all the ICO funds be released from the Escrow at once or by parts?

I know the Escrow funds will be released after the first fund launch. What are the criteria for a successful fund launch? For example, if the fund will be launched but the cryptocurrencies will be accepted only, does it qualify for the Escrow release? Did you sign any agreements with the Escrow key holders? Can you publish them, maybe partially?

Fund launch is when funds are publicly open and individuals are able to invest in them. In fiat and cryptos. It’s a trust game. Gasper from Xaurum and Max from Lisk have their own project behind them and Alexander is a well known and respected in the community and no one has incentive to play in anything but the best faith. For example, if Max as a single keyholder for Lisk releases funds for no reason, then he jeopardises Lisk. And being dedicated to Lisk that much, he for sure won’t betray community trust that he was building for quite some time (even before Lisk).
We signed no “old economy” contract, but you can find all escrow partner’s confirmation of being keyholder in our OP.


9. Will we know the names of ICONOMI experts who are to manage The ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE FUND? Do they have a successful trading history?

Not trading history. This is not about trading. But investing into right project. Names will be published at the launch of the fund. Jani will be one for sure. With successful investing history.


10. CoinFunds Whitepaper (https://www.iconomi.net/ICONOMI_Whitepaper.pdf) question.
Table 2 (page 9).
How did you choose the tokens for Table 2?
There are 9 tokens but these are not the lower 9 tokens from the Table 1.

According to: categorisation, market cap, trading volumes. Within each category we defined it it is winner takes it all or if there can be more winners. This week a blog with release on ICONOMI.index will be published with better explanation of that.


11. Will you sign any contracts with people depositing with fiat?

No. Terms of use define that. Bank deposits are with us and we have a track of what each user got for it’s bank deposit - in order to avoid chargebacks.
People may be missed this part. quoted for them.


Thank you! I would suggest everyone to read questions and answers as well.
I am very satisfied with the answers. I don't have any doubt about my investment, 2000 people can't be wrong!
Keep up the good work dev. i can only guess who is behind the newbie account  Tongue
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