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December 18, 2016, 10:45:12 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.

My point is that it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, but you seem to be reading it differently.

If they say they will NOT do something, why are you reading it as the opposite?

It doesn't say "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders", which is what you said.

I am asking you to clarify your interpretation for me.

I will try one more time..
I don't know where you take your point
Quote
it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds
It is clearly stated in FAQ "we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"
How is that different than "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders"?

It's different because they say they will NOT be doing the thing which you said they WILL be doing.

If I said I will not be giving you an ice cream, would you read that as "Mendeleev said he's giving me an ice cream"?

I am open to having it explained better, but so far you are just repeating the same words without explanation.

How do you read "we will not participate in profit sharing" as "all fees go to ICN holders"?

Are you reading it as them saying they will personally not take a profit? Which could be one definition of "participate" (hence the ambiguity I mentioned)

I don't mean to frustrate you. If you can't explain your interpretation any better, I may ask one of the team to clarify at a later date.

It was just one quote from the FAQ. If you go through the rest of the dividends related questions there you will see that:
1. So basically, dividends are the total income subtracted for operating costs, salaries and potential bonuses?
Yes.

2. ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted

Hope it is clear now. You can always post on reddit if you want to get official answer.
sr. member
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December 18, 2016, 10:38:33 AM
even with the bitcoin pump, icn price seems to be holding very well.
I thought I'd get a good chance to buy more...

ICN is so strong right now, it will pump if bitcoin gets dumped.
hero member
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December 18, 2016, 10:38:25 AM

If this happens then I plan to buy ICN every week with the money earned from the dividends, isn't it a good idea?

I'm thinking that with the start of dividends people will stop trading in large amount in order to receive more from dividends.

Thank you...

That is if someone is going to sell ICN after the fact they they can earn eth by just holding it on their wallets. But yes its a good idea and that you can generate more money later.
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December 18, 2016, 10:37:48 AM
from what I've seen so far this has been relatively stable
i would say very stable compared to most of alts Cheesy
legendary
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December 18, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.

My point is that it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, but you seem to be reading it differently.

If they say they will NOT do something, why are you reading it as the opposite?

It doesn't say "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders", which is what you said.

I am asking you to clarify your interpretation for me.

I will try one more time..
I don't know where you take your point
Quote
it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds
It is clearly stated in FAQ "we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"
How is that different than "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders"?

It's different because they say they will NOT be doing the thing which you said they WILL be doing.

If I said I will not be giving you an ice cream, would you read that as "Mendeleev said he's giving me an ice cream"?

I am open to having it explained better, but so far you are just repeating the same words without explanation.

How do you read "we will not participate in profit sharing" as "all fees go to ICN holders"?

Are you reading it as them saying they will personally not take a profit? Which could be one definition of "participate" (hence the ambiguity I mentioned)

I don't mean to frustrate you. If you can't explain your interpretation any better, I may ask one of the team to clarify at a later date.

Another point - are they saying that as long as there are ICO funds remaining, that fees will INITIALLY be split only among the original 85M ICO tokens bought by non devs, AND ONLY LATER split among all 100M ICN tokens (and thus, the devs) only when ICO funds run out?

$6M of ICO funds for ICONOMI ops will last a long time, but if they leave lots of ICNP profit locked up for long periods of time before cashout, they could possible have a real cash flow problem once they depend only on the OPM fee dividends from 15M ICN for ICONOMI operating expenses.

I would hate to see a need for cash flow become a consideration for when ICONOMI does an ICNP profit cashout....
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December 18, 2016, 10:24:34 AM
from what I've seen so far this has been relatively stable
hero member
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December 18, 2016, 10:11:36 AM
i have ico icn, but one question do yoou think is better buy more icn or buy instead icnx?
YES ! I'll definitely buy some more ICN
sr. member
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December 18, 2016, 10:00:42 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.

My point is that it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, but you seem to be reading it differently.

If they say they will NOT do something, why are you reading it as the opposite?

It doesn't say "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders", which is what you said.

I am asking you to clarify your interpretation for me.

I will try one more time..
I don't know where you take your point
Quote
it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds
It is clearly stated in FAQ "we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"
How is that different than "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders"?

It's different because they say they will NOT be doing the thing which you said they WILL be doing.

If I said I will not be giving you an ice cream, would you read that as "Mendeleev said he's giving me an ice cream"?

I am open to having it explained better, but so far you are just repeating the same words without explanation.

How do you read "we will not participate in profit sharing" as "all fees go to ICN holders"?

Are you reading it as them saying they will personally not take a profit? Which could be one definition of "participate" (hence the ambiguity I mentioned)

I don't mean to frustrate you. If you can't explain your interpretation any better, I may ask one of the team to clarify at a later date.
legendary
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December 18, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
Why all the noise about dividends now, this has been started before and people were advised to move their tokens to the wallet which they control the private keys not exchange wallet

I haven't moved my ICN yet, so I'm keeping them in ico.iconomi.net wallet so will I received the divideds?

I'm not sure that I hold the private key since it is a web iconomi platform??

It was EXPLICITLY STATED that if YOU HOLD your ICO tokens on the native platform, you will GET YOUR DIVIDENDS.

If you moved your ICN to an ETH wallet, then as long as you have access to the private keys to said wallet, you get dividends.

So these are the TWO CLEAR-CUT CASES where you get dividends.

As for exchanges paying dividends, it's up to them.

Thank you for clearing this up as there have been many pages and is hard to read all of them

But you have missed my other question which is as much important as the first one:

But the question is when is this going to happen and how much will be dividend for 1k ICN?

go fuck yourself you fucking twat

you are gonna get shit for 1K ICN unless iconomi makes a billion dollar profit every month. 

Why nobody tells how much is the dividends, how much can I expect for 1k ICN ?

At least in ICN or in % how much is that, 1%? I have 1,786.70 ICN and want to know how the dividends will work!

That's all, thank you...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5d75wj/how_much_did_you_invest_into_icn/da2djcu/

Someone did some math. This assumes Iconomi has a weekly profit of 285k$. Which will take a while.

For 1500 ICN the profit weekly seems to be ~$4 and from a calculation that I made based on those numbers seems like this:

285k x 0.0000178670 = ~$5.09 weekly which is not bad and I can't waiting for the dividends to be started

Thank you very much...

4USD a week is still a good start. i in few months ICN will profit more and the dividends will be raise to a good amount too.

If this happens then I plan to buy ICN every week with the money earned from the dividends, isn't it a good idea?

I'm thinking that with the start of dividends people will stop trading in large amount in order to receive more from dividends.

Thank you...
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December 18, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
even with the bitcoin pump, icn price seems to be holding very well.
I thought I'd get a good chance to buy more...
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December 18, 2016, 09:51:33 AM
i have ico icn, but one question do yoou think is better buy more icn or buy instead icnx?
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December 18, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
Will divs still be attainable if one is holding their tokens on the ICO website?

yes
legendary
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December 18, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Will divs still be attainable if one is holding their tokens on the ICO website?
sr. member
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December 18, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.

My point is that it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, but you seem to be reading it differently.

If they say they will NOT do something, why are you reading it as the opposite?

It doesn't say "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders", which is what you said.

I am asking you to clarify your interpretation for me.

I will try one more time..
I don't know where you take your point
Quote
it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds
It is clearly stated in FAQ "we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"
How is that different than "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders"?
legendary
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December 18, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
Why all the noise about dividends now, this has been started before and people were advised to move their tokens to the wallet which they control the private keys not exchange wallet

I haven't moved my ICN yet, so I'm keeping them in ico.iconomi.net wallet so will I received the divideds?

I'm not sure that I hold the private key since it is a web iconomi platform??

It was EXPLICITLY STATED that if YOU HOLD your ICO tokens on the native platform, you will GET YOUR DIVIDENDS.

If you moved your ICN to an ETH wallet, then as long as you have access to the private keys to said wallet, you get dividends.

So these are the TWO CLEAR-CUT CASES where you get dividends.

As for exchanges paying dividends, it's up to them.

Thank you for clearing this up as there have been many pages and is hard to read all of them

But you have missed my other question which is as much important as the first one:

But the question is when is this going to happen and how much will be dividend for 1k ICN?

go fuck yourself you fucking twat

you are gonna get shit for 1K ICN unless iconomi makes a billion dollar profit every month. 

Why nobody tells how much is the dividends, how much can I expect for 1k ICN ?

At least in ICN or in % how much is that, 1%? I have 1,786.70 ICN and want to know how the dividends will work!

That's all, thank you...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5d75wj/how_much_did_you_invest_into_icn/da2djcu/

Someone did some math. This assumes Iconomi has a weekly profit of 285k$. Which will take a while.

For 1500 ICN the profit weekly seems to be ~$4 and from a calculation that I made based on those numbers seems like this:

285k x 0.0000178670 = ~$5.09 weekly which is not bad and I can't waiting for the dividends to be started

Thank you very much...

4USD a week is still a good start. i in few months ICN will profit more and the dividends will be raise to a good amount too.
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December 18, 2016, 09:39:25 AM
Hey there,

I can recall some time ago there was posted a recipe of how to securely store ICN tokens offline with some kind of wallet. Was it myetherwallet? I think it was posted by Mal. However, after digging through the last 30 pages I kindly ask the community, if they can provide the link to that former post.

Thanks a lot!
sr. member
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December 18, 2016, 09:37:31 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.

My point is that it says they will NOT share profits as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, but you seem to be reading it differently.

If they say they will NOT do something, why are you reading it as the opposite?

It doesn't say "as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders", which is what you said.

I am asking you to clarify your interpretation for me.
hero member
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December 18, 2016, 09:33:47 AM
legendary
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December 18, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
Why all the noise about dividends now, this has been started before and people were advised to move their tokens to the wallet which they control the private keys not exchange wallet

I haven't moved my ICN yet, so I'm keeping them in ico.iconomi.net wallet so will I received the divideds?

I'm not sure that I hold the private key since it is a web iconomi platform??

It was EXPLICITLY STATED that if YOU HOLD your ICO tokens on the native platform, you will GET YOUR DIVIDENDS.

If you moved your ICN to an ETH wallet, then as long as you have access to the private keys to said wallet, you get dividends.

So these are the TWO CLEAR-CUT CASES where you get dividends.

As for exchanges paying dividends, it's up to them.

Thank you for clearing this up as there have been many pages and is hard to read all of them

But you have missed my other question which is as much important as the first one:

But the question is when is this going to happen and how much will be dividend for 1k ICN?

go fuck yourself you fucking twat

you are gonna get shit for 1K ICN unless iconomi makes a billion dollar profit every month. 

Why nobody tells how much is the dividends, how much can I expect for 1k ICN ?

At least in ICN or in % how much is that, 1%? I have 1,786.70 ICN and want to know how the dividends will work!

That's all, thank you...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5d75wj/how_much_did_you_invest_into_icn/da2djcu/

Someone did some math. This assumes Iconomi has a weekly profit of 285k$. Which will take a while.

For 1500 ICN the profit weekly seems to be ~$4 and from a calculation that I made based on those numbers seems like this:

285k x 0.0000178670 = ~$5.09 weekly which is not bad and I can't waiting for the dividends to be started

Thank you very much...
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
December 18, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
It was stated that as long as Iconomi have enough funds from ICO money for daily operations, all fees will go to ICN holders.
Once they will burn ICO money, profits will first be used for operational costs and the rest will be paid as dividends.
Since ~80% of ICNP profits go back to Iconomi, I don't expect Iconomi to be short for operational funds any time soon

I missed this.  Link?

"How much is distributed as dividends to ICN token holders?

ICN token holders receive everything, after the operational costs of the service operator have been subtracted. Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over."

https://ico.iconomi.net/faq

That says they won't participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds remaining.

The wording is ambiguous, but the least favourable interpretation seems to be "there won't be any dividends until the ICO fund runs out". I.e. no profits will be shared until that time.

Can you clear that up at all? How are you reading it?

I don't see anything ambiguous about " Please note that we will be using the capital raised during the ICO for coverage of operational costs and will not participate in profit sharing as long as there are ICO funds left over"

Profit sharing=dividends

I don't know why we have so much discussion around dividends. There is still time for that.
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