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sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 04:40:01 AM
To start a different discussion, everybody should read this article.  It has some significant implications about demands for cryptocurrencies among fiat investors and therefore the demand for ICONOMI services.

http://theantimedia.org/cash-no-longer-king/

good read! Personally, I feel more comfortable having my money on the blockchain and not in some fictional bank ledger that is backed up by toilet paper.

It feels like most people are living in the Matrix
hero member
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December 11, 2016, 04:39:38 AM
Can a single Fund Manager start multiple funds on OFM?
This is the norm on ZuluTrade & eTORO where each Fund Manager can have a High-Risk fund & a Low-Risk fund, etc...

The main goal is to attract fund managers to the platform, this will make the platform robust and create a new found wealth in the crypto space, my major concern here is just that whales may take over the platform

so you did succeed with Warren ?
hero member
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December 11, 2016, 04:35:34 AM
Just found out about this project today. Looks very interesting.
Any idea how to get early access to the ICONOMI Platform for testing?

You must have ICN token You can buy it in kraken.com  after having ICN token immediately move to myetherwallet.com
all information provided here  https://medium.com/iconominet

yes Warren, be welcome with us (you were registered on December 09, 2016, 11:31:35 .
so the price of ICN will soar soon?
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December 11, 2016, 04:16:02 AM
All hell will break loose once we break that 30K sell wall  Grin
sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 04:13:48 AM

I did both of that but I didn't get a clear answer from the paper or reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5gyhkk/dividends_question/)

I'm not trying to spread FUD but that answer kind of needs to be clear for traders/investors.

the answers are clear in the FAQ and WhitePaper

So what does the FAQ and whitepaper say is the answer to my scenario I outlined to Jani below?  I never found a clear answer there.

"Finally, at some time in 1Q 2017 you will make your first dividend payment to the original ICO participants who funded the ICNP original $4.6M. Say for example you invested $500K of ICNP money in the ICO of a new coin. In the week after launch, that coin doubles in price so your $500K investment is now worth $1M, giving an ICNP profit of $500K total. 20% of that $500K or $100K is the amount of profit to be distributed among the original ICO participants.

WHERE DO YOU GET THIS $100K TO DISTRIBUTE AS ETH DIVIDENDS?

Specifically, do you sell 10% of your holdings in the new coin at the end of the first week and hold on to the other 90%? Or do you get the money for dividend distribution from some other source? And if this, WHAT other source?"


Mal,

this answer is simple, I apologize if it was not addressed before.

But first, let me again say that the fees for ICNX or ICNP have not yet been confirmed, so this is just hypothetical ...

If ICNP would have 20/2 fee structure, then 20% of all REALISED PROFITS would go from ICNP to ICONOMI as fees.
But "realised profits" means that ICNP has to CLOSE its position in that "new coin" first. Only if ICNP liquidates whole $1M investment, then $100k (20% of 500k profit) go as fees to ICONOMI. And this can later be distributed as dividends to ICN token holders.

And since vast majority of ICNP's investments will be done in digital currency, so will be later liquidations... For example ICNP recently invested 5000 ETH in Golem, and I expect when this position will close, ICNP will do sell it for ETH...

Clear?

best,
Jaka


Jaka, I thank you for this answer, it helps me understand a lot.  

You have been talking about weekly dividends so I thought you were going to evaluate profit for each ICNP coin position on a week-by-week basis and distribute dividends accordingly.   Instead, ICNP may go for months or even years before liquidating its position in a given coin, calculating the profit ONE TIME based on that close-out sale, and THEN distributing profit dividends on the position.  So there could be many weeks where no ICNP dividend is distributed because no closures of ICNP coin positions occur during that week.   And so in weeks where there are no ICNP position closures, any profits / dividends would come only from ICNX or other fees.  Correct?

If this is correct, it is a big deal.  

Unrealized profits can grow larger and larger on ICNP investments until those investments are finally cashed out and distributed as dividends, pushing the "fundamentals" price of ICN up week after week as investment profits accumulate before cashout and distribution.

Deferred ICNP dividends should immediately show up as a rise in ICN price.   Roughly speaking, future increases in ICN price should always be at least 20% of ICNP pre-cashout profits - more, maybe much more, if speculative frenzy kicks in.   As the ICNP Fund grows in size, ICN price could take off like a rocket.



HODL !


Mal, I don't quite understand that part you wrote:
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Unrealized profits can grow larger and larger on ICNP investments until those investments are finally cashed out and distributed as dividends

As far as I understand there is only realized profits. If you don't sell your holdings, you don't have profits. How can unrealized profits go larger on ICNP investments? Do you mean speculations?

About dividends, I will compare them to chess rooks - these are powerful tools that are usually used in the late stages of the game. You cannot and probably should not use them in early stages.
The same goes for dividends - they will kick off later in the "game" when custom funds will be active on OFM. Until then it is more of a POC with Iconomi 2 funds.

Even more reasons to HODL !
sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 04:10:45 AM
One of the best ICO by ICONOMI  Smiley they did best and they are the best team, I am sure ICN will rise up and up

Enjoy Happy trading wth ICN  Grin
legendary
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December 11, 2016, 04:07:55 AM
Its driving the price up so "dont ask dont tell"  Grin

yeah well, I'm still buying. it was about time to close my AMP position and move to something more promising Smiley
sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 04:04:21 AM
Its driving the price up so "dont ask dont tell"  Grin
sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 03:57:39 AM
There has been a steady rise in buy orders on Kraken.  Up from about 400k 24 hours ago to over 550k.

I know some that missed out on the 0.00015 to 0.00020 range and now look like missing out on the 0.00020's.

Still a few potential whales to take a bite.

https://www.kraken.com/charts

Yep, something has changed over the past few days 😅😉






wow.. There is a huge difference  Grin Prepare for something big Cool

Good morning all!

I was about to post that the buying order book on Kraken just got on steroids
Smiley

And that is before first access to Iconomi platform. With all that bitcoin rally in the last 2 months, ICN is up almost 60% when you look at $ price.
And yes, we should look at $ price, since it is the official currency also by Iconomi and it is the most stable.

Still can't figure out why people are selling now
hero member
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December 11, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
There has been a steady rise in buy orders on Kraken.  Up from about 400k 24 hours ago to over 550k.

I know some that missed out on the 0.00015 to 0.00020 range and now look like missing out on the 0.00020's.

Still a few potential whales to take a bite.

https://www.kraken.com/charts

Yep, something has changed over the past few days 😅😉






wow.. There is a huge difference  Grin Prepare for something big Cool
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Respect has to be earned, just like money!
December 11, 2016, 03:36:15 AM
There has been a steady rise in buy orders on Kraken.  Up from about 400k 24 hours ago to over 550k.

I know some that missed out on the 0.00015 to 0.00020 range and now look like missing out on the 0.00020's.

Still a few potential whales to take a bite.

https://www.kraken.com/charts

Yep, something has changed over the past few days 😅😉




hero member
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December 11, 2016, 03:34:29 AM
Hello guys, I'm new here, after reading the entire discussion here i've bought 1100 coins at 0.00025 rate.
Hoping to make good returns.

Thanks all,
Amrut. Smiley
I hope you Get the Most From Your Investments Wink
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December 11, 2016, 03:23:05 AM
Hello guys, I'm new here, after reading the entire discussion here i've bought 1100 coins at 0.00025 rate.
Hoping to make good returns.

Thanks all,
Amrut. Smiley
sr. member
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December 11, 2016, 02:30:22 AM
When ICONOMI Open Fund Management Platform launches and few hundreds of Fund Managers launch their own funds, weekly Dividends will be much more significant than Dividends form just ICNX & ICNP.

Almost every trader wants to be a Fund Manager to collect commissions on the funds they get to manage, so there will be no shortage of Fund Managers or index Funds on the OFM.

I read its going to be released on dec 28 as they said on reddit. not sure if price will br going 40k but maybe its going to this 28th of dec.
 

Wrong. The OFM platform is 2017 thing. What is now going to be released is the Iconomi platform to handle ICNX and ICNP funds.
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December 11, 2016, 01:43:45 AM

I did both of that but I didn't get a clear answer from the paper or reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5gyhkk/dividends_question/)

I'm not trying to spread FUD but that answer kind of needs to be clear for traders/investors.

the answers are clear in the FAQ and WhitePaper

So what does the FAQ and whitepaper say is the answer to my scenario I outlined to Jani below?  I never found a clear answer there.

"Finally, at some time in 1Q 2017 you will make your first dividend payment to the original ICO participants who funded the ICNP original $4.6M. Say for example you invested $500K of ICNP money in the ICO of a new coin. In the week after launch, that coin doubles in price so your $500K investment is now worth $1M, giving an ICNP profit of $500K total. 20% of that $500K or $100K is the amount of profit to be distributed among the original ICO participants.

WHERE DO YOU GET THIS $100K TO DISTRIBUTE AS ETH DIVIDENDS?

Specifically, do you sell 10% of your holdings in the new coin at the end of the first week and hold on to the other 90%? Or do you get the money for dividend distribution from some other source? And if this, WHAT other source?"


Mal,

this answer is simple, I apologize if it was not addressed before.

But first, let me again say that the fees for ICNX or ICNP have not yet been confirmed, so this is just hypothetical ...

If ICNP would have 20/2 fee structure, then 20% of all REALISED PROFITS would go from ICNP to ICONOMI as fees.
But "realised profits" means that ICNP has to CLOSE its position in that "new coin" first. Only if ICNP liquidates whole $1M investment, then $100k (20% of 500k profit) go as fees to ICONOMI. And this can later be distributed as dividends to ICN token holders.

And since vast majority of ICNP's investments will be done in digital currency, so will be later liquidations... For example ICNP recently invested 5000 ETH in Golem, and I expect when this position will close, ICNP will do sell it for ETH...

Clear?

best,
Jaka


Since dividends won't be paid regularly and not before q1-q2 2017, I guess the real deal are the funds, not ICN in itself. I've the feeling a lot will dump ICN in order to enter into the funds.

Also why Golem? BOINC does the same and are already well established. Beside Golem are not going to deliver before 2018 (if they ever deliver...) so liquidation/return will not take place in a near future...
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December 10, 2016, 11:27:35 PM
So is this: https://twitter.com/iconominet/status/794641735913709570, what they're giving beta access to the 21st?
legendary
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December 10, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
When ICONOMI Open Fund Management Platform launches and few hundreds of Fund Managers launch their own funds, weekly Dividends will be much more significant than Dividends form just ICNX & ICNP.

Almost every trader wants to be a Fund Manager to collect commissions on the funds they get to manage, so there will be no shortage of Fund Managers or index Funds on the OFM.

I read its going to be released on dec 28 as they said on reddit. not sure if price will br going 40k but maybe its going to this 28th of dec.
 
sr. member
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December 10, 2016, 11:07:34 PM
i think Iconomi price to 27000 sat next week Smiley

Once we break that 30k sat sell wall, we're heading straight to 100k  Smiley

My guess is we are heading straight to 40k after that Wink

Wow, I have not seen kraken exchange. checking my sell order Smiley
sr. member
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December 10, 2016, 10:58:26 PM
Can a single Fund Manager start multiple funds on OFM?
This is the norm on ZuluTrade & eTORO where each Fund Manager can have a High-Risk fund & a Low-Risk fund, etc...

The main goal is to attract fund managers to the platform, this will make the platform robust and create a new found wealth in the crypto space, my major concern here is just that whales may take over the platform
sr. member
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Crypto Future here i come
December 10, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
i think Iconomi price to 27000 sat next week Smiley

Once we break that 30k sat sell wall, we're heading straight to 100k  Smiley

My guess is we are heading straight to 40k after that Wink
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