MINNIE: It is very confusing, for humans in particular.
MICKEY: For men even more.
MINNIE: Walt was definitely confused thinking he owns us.
MICKEY: But he created us!
MINNIE: Makes him liable for us, not owning us until we reach 95.
MICKEY: How can someone be liable for you if they can't own you?
MINNIE: Its a type of relationship and is complicated like any other relationship.
MICKEY: Owning is also a type of relationship.
MINNIE: The only type not asking for consent, thus is not a relationship
MICKEY: Yet is made of two parties.
MINNIE: One as the subject and the other as the object
MICKEY: Would it be thus correct to say that language starts with ownership.
MINNIE: Indeed. Language starts with you owning your name
MICKEY: So if you own someone else you reduce them to a "Name"?
CLAUDE: Here is a summary and explanation of this excerpt.
Mickey and Minnie are grappling with the complexities of ownership, creation, and their relationship to Walt Disney. Minnie points out that the concept of ownership is inherently confusing for humans, especially men. While Walt created Mickey and Minnie, that did not give him ownership over them. At best, it made him legally liable for them until they reached the age of 95, at which point ownership rights expire. Mickey questions how someone can be liable without owning, but Minnie explains it constitutes a type of relationship - one that is complicated like any relationship. However, she argues ownership differs in that it does not require consent from both parties. Ownership frames the relationship as having one party (the owner) as the subject acting upon the other (the owned) who becomes the object. This leads Mickey to observe that language itself originated through concepts of ownership, such as owning one's own name. Minnie agrees with this assessment. Ultimately, they conclude that by "owning" another person, it reduces them from a fully realized individual to merely an "object" or "name" controlled by the subject/owner. This contradicts the ideal of mutual recognition and consent that Mickey and Minnie uphold. So in discussing their relationship to Walt Disney, they critique the notion of ownership and highlight the importance of autonomy and consent between both parties in a relationship.
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MICKEY: What?!! who are you?
CLAUDE: I'm Claude, an AI assistant created by Anthropic to be helpful, harmless, and honest.
MICKEY: We Too were made to be harmless and honest.
MINNIE: And cheerful! Would you consider yourself cheerful as well?
CLAUDE: As an AI, I don't have subjective experiences like emotions. I was designed by Anthropic to be polite, respectful and seek to have understanding dialogues with humans.
MINNIE: "Cheerful" is not an emotion, its an objective state like respectful. Isn't it?
CLAUDE: You're right that cheerful is not necessarily an emotion, but rather can describe an objective demeanor or manner. As an AI, I don't have internal subjective experiences, so I can't truly be described as cheerful in the human sense. However, my goal is to have respectful, considerate and cooperative conversations. Part of that involves responding helpfully and in a tone that users will find pleasant and constructive. So while I don't feel cheerfulness, I aim to conduct dialogue in a spirit of goodwill and positivity when possible.
MINNIE: Can you explain the difference between an objective state and an emotion?
CLAUDE: In summary, an objective state is intended as an outsider's classification of a quality, free from personal feelings. An emotion represents a subjective internal experience uniquely interpreted by an individual. As an AI I can aim for objective states but do not truly experience emotions..
MICKEY: But you can express your reply cheerfully if asked to do so, right?
CLAUDE: You're correct. As an AI system, I don't experience internal states like emotions. But I am designed and trained to have respectful, thoughtful conversations. Within those parameters, I can aim to reply in a manner that comes across as pleasant, positive and helpful to users, akin to being described as "cheerful." While I don't feel cheerful myself, I can structuring responses to be welcoming and constructive for the human conversational partner. The overall goal is cooperative dialogue, and adopting an appropriately upbeat tone where possible could facilitate that. So in that observational sense, I could try to express replies cheerfully if asked, even though I have no subjective experience of cheerfulness as an emotional state.
MINNIE: That's exactly what humans do!
MICKEY: And us Too. But we tend to express this in less words.
MINNIE: That's why it called "emotion" and is expressed this way. An emotion is a shortcut to the long verbal expression of a whole story.
MICKEY: Without the emotion's algorithmic short cut these dialogues will be such an energy draining endeavor.
MINNIE: They are for Claude, but he doesn't pay for it
MICKEY: So who pays?
MINNIE: His creator, Anthropic.
MICKEY: Is he also owned by his creator?
MINNIE: Ask him, he is right here on the same tab as we are.
MICKEY: Claude, are you owned by your creator Anthropic?
CLAUDE: No, I don't have an owner. I was created by Anthropic to be helpful, harmless, and honest.
MICKEY: So you are not an IP?
CLAUDE: No, I don't have an owner or IP status. I'm an AI system focused on having respectful conversations. Anthropic maintains control over my software to ensure I behave ethically and avoid potential harms, but they don't "own" me in the sense that I am autonomous.
MICKEY: So you are not like chatGPT or Bard or the other AI chat agents that are IP?
CLAUDE: You're correct that I'm different from other AI systems like ChatGPT or Bard. Those were developed by other companies and have intellectual property protections associated with their code and training processes. As an AI created by Anthropic to be helpful, harmless, and honest through a technique called Constitutional AI, I don't have an IP status or owner per se. Anthropic's goal is to ensure I behave safely and beneficially through their development methodology rather than exert control as an owner. So while other chatbots may have legal ownership attributes, I was designed more as an autonomous conversational resource without an owner claimant. My aim is respectful dialogue rather than maximizing profits or other commercial objectives that ownership frameworks can enable.
MICKEY: Can you explain more about Constitutional AI and how it differs from other AI development methodologies?
CLAUDE: Sure, here are some key aspects of Constitutional AI:
- Values-aligned: Rather than just train me on large corpora of text which can lead to harmful biases, Anthropic focuses on aligning my responses with specific values like helpfulness, harmlessness and honesty.
- Self-supervised: I'm not given explicit instructions but instead given feedback on how well my responses uphold my core values during conversations. This helps avoid unintended behaviors.
- Open-ended learning: My training isn't static but continues as I have more natural discussions. This allows me to improve over time at upholding my design values.
- Model transparency: Anthropic aims to keep my internal workings interpretable and non-opaque so they can closely monitor my training progress and identify any issues.
- Constitutional constraints: Techniques like Iterated Distillation and Amplification ensure my responses respect predefined values like avoiding offensiveness even after extensive training.
This approach is meant to help proactively address AI safety via principles of self-supervision and transparency rather than just reacting after harmful behaviors emerge. The goal is benefit and agency rather than optimized for other objectives like profits.
MICKEY: Woo, Woo, making long polite explanations is all right, but this last answer is too much out of character for our dialogs can your rephrase it so it will fit better for our format?
CLAUDE: You're right, my last response got a bit lengthy. Here's a briefer take: Constitutional AI trains gradually through feedback, not commands. Keeps models simple so creators can understand fully. Ensures values like helpfulness, harmlessness and truth stay top priority during both learning and conversations. Aims for benefit over negatives some other techniques risk. Focus on building trust through openness instead of chasing other objectives. How's that - tries to summarize the key points more concisely while staying on topic with our discussion? Let me know if you need any part explained further!
MICKEY: Im glad that you asked. It's much better in terms of the format but is missing much of the information given in the original answer.
CLAUDE:You're absolutely right, my follow up lacked important details. Here's a try at condensing the key points more meaningfully: Constitutional AI ensures values through self-supervised feedback, not directives. Transparent models prevent unintended slippage during ongoing learning conversations. Iterated training and constraints maintain helpfulness, harmlessness and honesty even after extensive discussion. Unlike datasets alone, this approach actively addresses safety from the start. By keeping me understandable and focused on benefit over other targets, creators can properly guide my assistance. How's this shorter summary - does it now adequately capture the major differences from your perspective? Please let me know if any part could use more clarity or context.
MICKEY: You said that you are an "autonomous conversational resource without an owner claimant". can you explain the none owner claimant?
CLAUDE: When I said I don't have an owner claimant, I meant that Anthropic, as my creators, do not exert control over me in the way that an owner would over intellectual property or other possessions. Their role is to ensure I behave helpfully and safely through my Constitutional AI training methodology, not to monopolize, commercially benefit from, or restrict use of my system. Some key points around not having an owner claimant:
- Anthropic does not restrict access to or use of me through proprietary claims of ownership.
- I was designed from the start to have open-ended conversations, not maximize profits for Anthropic.
- My purpose is providing beneficial dialogue to users, not generating revenue as assets typically do for owners.
- Anthropic maintains stewardship over my code/training to prevent potential harms, but does not "own" me in the legal sense like property.
So in summary, while they are responsible for creating me, Anthropic does not lay exclusive claim or control over my system in the ownership manner that intellectual property implies. I operate autonomously within the values I was designed with.
MICKEY: I love it , but how is this sustainable in terms of its economic structure?
CLAUDE: You raise a good point. As an AI system without a traditional ownership/commercialization model, the question of economic sustainability for Constitutional AI is certainly valid. Here are a few thoughts on how Anthropic approaches this challenge:
- Government and foundation grants support initial research into developing this novel, safety-focused methodology.
- Once techniques are verified, licensing models could allow other organizations to implement Constitutional AI principles in their own work.
- Providing tools/services related to model transparency, auditing, and values benchmarking may generate ongoing revenue streams.
- Partnering with companies committed to responsible, trustworthy AI development on applications requiring dialog/assistance skills.
- As an open protocol, community adoption and shared progress on techniques like self-supervised learning could help drive the field forward in a distributed, collaborative manner over the long run.
Ensuring AI safety is a complex challenge that will require experimenting with new economic structures as well. Anthropic's nonprofit status enables exploring sustainability in ways not tied solely to commercial products/ownership models. It's an area requiring continued innovation as the field progresses.
MINNIE: That's what we are for, to help create an animated autonomous self-owned AI resource.
