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A REMINDER: $PAC trivia is back!

$PAC discord server trivia is back! (to join the $PAC discord server: https://discord.gg/Bx2HKfy).
The third round is starting today in less than an hour (22:00 CET)!
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FIRST Quarterly $PAC Treasury report

The report includes in-goings, out-goings, treasury pool fund allocation & future DAO improvements and covers Q4 2018 as most reports will be in-lieu of the previous quarter. It can be found here:

https://blog.paccoin.net/pac-treasury-quarterly-report-q4-2018/

The credits go to @Geo, @!michael_andrew and the rest of the Treasury team (as found in the $PAC discord server).
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Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.


Once again talking more total crap u are as "The Bank will continue to exchange the old £5 notes indefinitely, as it would for any other bank note which no longer has legal tender status" same with any other country in EU the only note that is killed off is the 500euro note which can still be swaped..... FACTS!!!

Stop coming to the table with more bs and lies its just makes u look worse come to table with facts or good customer relational skills or go hide in ya nubcake to crypto box ya came from. FACTS!!!

The dead line for swap were changed no matter how much u change the info on that...Was no clear deadline time and this is old skool theft threw swap... wat u think ur the 1st dev team to try/do this lol.... FACTS!!!

once again im a EX exchange moderator!!!! seen more than most in crypto land would want to see!!

The rest of my post like my others are crypto facts, something your not good at aswell as customer relation skills. you could of sorted this ages ago but nah more lies and bs and try to pull wool over others eyes...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>








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Wake up and smell some fresh air before you start bashing cuz you didn't read, study or did your homework. DYOR before talking hella shit. clowns like you talk before thinking. Get the fuck out of here.

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"Austrian" say no more wool  Roll Eyes.. 1 min ur talking about euro and next its some other shitty flat lol.... dance u do  Grin...Facts u dont lol  Kiss
From the beginning I have been talking about exchanging notes of old currencies (like schilling) to euro, since this is the real equivalent to going from old paccoin to $PAC, which are two different currencies. Other comparisons, with e.g. swapping old notes to new notes within the same currency, make little sense since such swaps are rather simple (the corresponding national bank issues new notes and starts withdrawing old ones), relatively easy to perform (the national bank mostly "alone" decides when and how the exchange is starting, how the new notes look like etc.), evolutionary in nature (since there is technically nothing wrong with the old notes which could serve like they are for a long time still) and normally performed at 1:1 ratio (no direct impact on prices / economy).
As I already mentioned and in general, if any fiat notes had the ability to create more copies of themselves at a high rate like old paccoin PoS allowed, there would be hard deadlines for every such fiat swap there is.


If u swapped the same amount that was on OG chain to new chain at ur so called sawap dates (  Cheesy  ) there shouldnt be any swap/old pac stake abuse issues and all holders should be able to swap clean...

im sure u did but then what was left that wasn't claimed or paid out were did that go hey?!?!? oh soz for asking the big crypto ?s......more PAC$ wool inc  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

As for ur flat bs google euro and UK and USA and other REAL countrys flat swap info, but wool seems to work for u keep using it lol.  Shocked Shocked

Swapping from a high rate PoS blockchain to anything which has considerably lower gain rate can simply be abused, no matter how you swap. With that said, the stake abuse is only relevant when the swap is going on for a longer time (months or longer). I guess that you have carefully read the official $PAC team statement on the subject / redemption closing announcement:

https://blog.paccoin.net/pac-redemption-closing-june-1st-2018/

The exact numbers of $PAC that was used to swap for the old paccoin and what leftover of $PAC went to treasury after the swap was posted before in this thread.

As for swapping bank notes:
would you like to spread your insults from Austria to other EU countries like France? The information on the French franc swap to euro is as follows:

"
Banknotes of the current series as of euro changeover could be exchanged with the French central bank or with other services until 17 February 2012.
Most older series were exchangeable for 10 years from date of withdrawal. As the last banknote from the previous series had been withdrawn on 31 March 1998 (200 francs, Montesquieu), the deadline for the exchange was 31 March 2008.
"

There are fiat currency swap deadlines. Simple note swapping within existing currency that US, UK or just about any other country (without hyperinflation) is doing, is not equivalent to the old paccoin => $PAC swap.

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"Austrian" say no more wool  Roll Eyes.. 1 min ur talking about euro and next its some other shitty flat lol.... dance u do  Grin...Facts u dont lol  Kiss
From the beginning I have been talking about exchanging notes of old currencies (like schilling) to euro, since this is the real equivalent to going from old paccoin to $PAC, which are two different currencies. Other comparisons, with e.g. swapping old notes to new notes within the same currency, make little sense since such swaps are rather simple (the corresponding national bank issues new notes and starts withdrawing old ones), relatively easy to perform (the national bank mostly "alone" decides when and how the exchange is starting, how the new notes look like etc.), evolutionary in nature (since there is technically nothing wrong with the old notes which could serve like they are for a long time still) and normally performed at 1:1 ratio (no direct impact on prices / economy).
As I already mentioned and in general, if any fiat notes had the ability to create more copies of themselves at a high rate like old paccoin PoS allowed, there would be hard deadlines for every such fiat swap there is.


If u swapped the same amount that was on OG chain to new chain at ur so called sawap dates (  Cheesy  ) there shouldnt be any swap/old pac stake abuse issues and all holders should be able to swap clean...

im sure u did but then what was left that wasn't claimed or paid out were did that go hey?!?!? oh soz for asking the big crypto ?s......more PAC$ wool inc  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

As for ur flat bs google euro and UK and USA and other REAL countrys flat swap info, but wool seems to work for u keep using it lol.  Shocked Shocked
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Stabycroc, as far as I know, the old pac is still on the novaexchange. You can continue to use it. New $pac for the year made more than the old for all its existence.
When mr. Corlles continued to support the old pac and persuaded people not to make an exchange. Why didn't you stay on the old coin?

Old Paccoin had a vulnerability that allowed some people to receive 50% or more of POS instead of 13%. And it happened when  announced the redemption of old coins.

It looks like you are one of those who got a lot of coins using vulnerability, and it hurts you that the new PAC team did not allow themselves to cheat.

Come back to the old pac if you believe in it.

You want to show yourself as a fighter for justice, in fact, you will follow the easy money.

I do not have information about the exchange on which you worked. And if she's really cheating, then you worked there. And you knew exactly what she was doing.  You will not tell the real reason dismissal.

You say you have done a lot for $PAC, Write what you did.

Or did you want to say that you made a lot of new coins of the old pac, and now you have nowhere to sell them?

Leave the $PAC if you think this is a scam.

Cant use something that all was sent for swap but never swaped!!!!( that answers ur 1st bs line and ur last in 1 go kid).... but thanks for insite about old pac about the only useful to old pac holders ( no me there all gone to theft devs ) info u typed so far..

Ive listed the things ive done for old pac many times in this thread if ur to lazy to read it why should i retype it another time.
Yet u dont type WTF u have done just try attack old guard of crypto and helper of old pac that talks in crypto facts unlike the wool the PAC$ devs do..

I mine/buy my coins i dont premine like u and ur pac$ dev do lol..

I typed were and whome i worked for, there was no dismissal  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes just "Yuri stick ur blue shield up ya ass im done dealing with this shit" just like im telling the PAC$ so called devs the same thing.

if u ever used topia maybe ask fairlady ( when they work out there hacker isuue ) how many times she asked me to mod for em ya nubcake of crypto.  Kiss Kiss fairlady :_0 and while ya there ask her who got oldpac info updated so it actuly had a rating (its had 0 rating before i got info updated btw, then to 4 stars ) there and got people into it due to that rating and a trusted old guard airdroping heaps of it to get movement and people on it. u would know that how clean PRO crypto promoter work... not shilling or hyping or scamming people...

See if u actuly knew my crypto style u know i give more than i ever get this inc helping coins, but u play me il play u.
and i have ALOT of old guards of crypto that trust my words unlike u and the PAC% devs.. cuz im a bull at a gate but im 1 of the very few in crypto land that honests and upfront.
See like ive typed in this thread before respect is ernt not bought or premined in crypto land, ul learn this in time dw.

ive given more airdrops/tips of different coins that 99% of any 1 in crypto has inc old pac in topia around 5 million of em... 

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>


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Stabycroc, as far as I know, the old pac is still on the novaexchange. You can continue to use it. New $pac for the year made more than the old for all its existence.
When mr. Corlles continued to support the old pac and persuaded people not to make an exchange. Why didn't you stay on the old coin?

Old Paccoin had a vulnerability that allowed some people to receive 50% or more of POS instead of 13%. And it happened when  announced the redemption of old coins.

It looks like you are one of those who got a lot of coins using vulnerability, and it hurts you that the new PAC team did not allow themselves to cheat.

Come back to the old pac if you believe in it.

You want to show yourself as a fighter for justice, in fact, you will follow the easy money.

I do not have information about the exchange on which you worked. And if she's really cheating, then you worked there. And you knew exactly what she was doing.  You will not tell the real reason dismissal.

You say you have done a lot for $PAC, Write what you did.

Or did you want to say that you made a lot of new coins of the old pac, and now you have nowhere to sell them?

Leave the $PAC if you think this is a scam.
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"Austrian" say no more wool  Roll Eyes.. 1 min ur talking about euro and next its some other shitty flat lol.... dance u do  Grin...Facts u dont lol  Kiss
From the beginning I have been talking about exchanging notes of old currencies (like schilling) to euro, since this is the real equivalent to going from old paccoin to $PAC, which are two different currencies. Other comparisons, with e.g. swapping old notes to new notes within the same currency, make little sense since such swaps are rather simple (the corresponding national bank issues new notes and starts withdrawing old ones), relatively easy to perform (the national bank mostly "alone" decides when and how the exchange is starting, how the new notes look like etc.), evolutionary in nature (since there is technically nothing wrong with the old notes which could serve like they are for a long time still) and normally performed at 1:1 ratio (no direct impact on prices / economy).
As I already mentioned and in general, if any fiat notes had the ability to create more copies of themselves at a high rate like old paccoin PoS allowed, there would be hard deadlines for every such fiat swap there is.
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"Austrian" say no more wool  Roll Eyes.. 1 min ur talking about euro and next its some other shitty flat lol.... dance u do  Grin...Facts u dont lol  Kiss

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Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.


Once again talking more total crap u are as "The Bank will continue to exchange the old £5 notes indefinitely, as it would for any other bank note which no longer has legal tender status" same with any other country in EU the only note that is killed off is the 500euro note which can still be swaped..... FACTS!!!

Stop coming to the table with more bs and lies its just makes u look worse come to table with facts or good customer relational skills or go hide in ya nubcake to crypto box ya came from. FACTS!!!

The dead line for swap were changed no matter how much u change the info on that...Was no clear deadline time and this is old skool theft threw swap... wat u think ur the 1st dev team to try/do this lol.... FACTS!!!

once again im a EX exchange moderator!!!! seen more than most in crypto land would want to see!!

The rest of my post like my others are crypto facts, something your not good at aswell as customer relation skills. you could of sorted this ages ago but nah more lies and bs and try to pull wool over others eyes...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>


Check the section "Schilling banknotes with expired exchange deadlines" of the following website for an example of notes which cannot be swapped to euro any more:

https://www.oenb.at/en/Cash-Management/exchanging-legacy-currencies-for-euro/Schilling.html

You have indicated that the banks always allow unlimited swap times - the above link from the national bank of an EU country proves that your claim is simply not true - there are deadlines in some cases.
This brief discussion on rather simple case of bank notes clearly shows how you handle anything which does not agree with you. You are calling people liars and whatnot even when a simple google search provides clear examples that you are not correct in your statements.

In any case, it seems that people do not trust your statements nor judgment - I certainly do not.



lol ur link so BAD....

ps ANY1 can google "can u swap discontinued note in EU" or uk or any other country and find the real truth..which i copy and pasted in last post  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes )

the only 1 u have to swap threw 3rd party is the $500 euro note.... Facts unlike ur total bs u talk over and over  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin

even with the $500 euro they allowed longer swap times ( and can still be swapped at 3rd party sites ) than u so called "fair" did then swapped and changed the date... worse than a bank u are..

u sure ur not related to the Rothschild's?

Da ja
Stabycroc :_)>

You have just called the up-to-date information on the official website of the Austrian national bank (i.e. Austrian central bank) pertaining to exchanging old notes / currencies to euro bad. For your information, the website I provided is one of the first hits when you google for "swap schilling euro", the schilling being the currency used in Austria before introduction of euro. You have just lost the last shred of the credibility you might have had.
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Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.


Once again talking more total crap u are as "The Bank will continue to exchange the old £5 notes indefinitely, as it would for any other bank note which no longer has legal tender status" same with any other country in EU the only note that is killed off is the 500euro note which can still be swaped..... FACTS!!!

Stop coming to the table with more bs and lies its just makes u look worse come to table with facts or good customer relational skills or go hide in ya nubcake to crypto box ya came from. FACTS!!!

The dead line for swap were changed no matter how much u change the info on that...Was no clear deadline time and this is old skool theft threw swap... wat u think ur the 1st dev team to try/do this lol.... FACTS!!!

once again im a EX exchange moderator!!!! seen more than most in crypto land would want to see!!

The rest of my post like my others are crypto facts, something your not good at aswell as customer relation skills. you could of sorted this ages ago but nah more lies and bs and try to pull wool over others eyes...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>


Check the section "Schilling banknotes with expired exchange deadlines" of the following website for an example of notes which cannot be swapped to euro any more:

https://www.oenb.at/en/Cash-Management/exchanging-legacy-currencies-for-euro/Schilling.html

You have indicated that the banks always allow unlimited swap times - the above link from the national bank of an EU country proves that your claim is simply not true - there are deadlines in some cases.
This brief discussion on rather simple case of bank notes clearly shows how you handle anything which does not agree with you. You are calling people liars and whatnot even when a simple google search provides clear examples that you are not correct in your statements.

In any case, it seems that people do not trust your statements nor judgment - I certainly do not.



lol ur link so BAD....

ps ANY1 can google "can u swap discontinued note in EU" or uk or any other country and find the real truth..which i copy and pasted in last post  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes )

the only 1 u have to swap threw 3rd party is the $500 euro note.... Facts unlike ur total bs u talk over and over  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin

even with the $500 euro they allowed longer swap times ( and can still be swapped at 3rd party sites ) than u so called "fair" did then swapped and changed the date... worse than a bank u are..

u sure ur not related to the Rothschild's?

Da ja
Stabycroc :_)>


 

member
Activity: 497
Merit: 24
Stabycroc, it is clear why you no work in the exchange now. They need smart people. What are you all trying to prove? $PAC scam ?
Well, go past. I do not believe that you are trying to help someone. You just do not like the $PAC and you want to spoil.
You are pathetic.
The redemption was fair. The team did everything they promised.

I dont work there cuz it turned into a scam exchange (c-cex) and so did yuri the owner rather than all exchange just have alil scam mostly these days its masternode scams and token scams. i actuly reject moderator work cuz im done with the likes of people like the pac$ devs and u.

your clearly a crypto nubcake otherwise u wouldn't be talking total try hard baby troll shit to me lol.

i dont like theft which its clear the $pac devs have done to long term holders ( old pac run for years unlike new pac$ )

Do tell me wtf u have done in paccoins life time to help it grow, i assure u my list will be longer...or show me ur 1st paccoin transaction, i assure u mine will be alot older... nubcake u are...

The redemption wasnt fair but clearly ur nubcake to crypto thinks it was and proves 1 of the so called devs of pac$ or just a fan boy trying to get some lub time with the devs.
..
You word meanz nothing to the greater crypto land unlike mine...respect and trust is ernt not bought..

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>




newbie
Activity: 75
Merit: 0
Stabycroc, it is clear why you no work in the exchange now. They need smart people. What are you all trying to prove? $PAC scam ?
Well, go past. I do not believe that you are trying to help someone. You just do not like the $PAC and you want to spoil.
You are pathetic.
The redemption was fair. The team did everything they promised.
jr. member
Activity: 440
Merit: 1

Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.


Once again talking more total crap u are as "The Bank will continue to exchange the old £5 notes indefinitely, as it would for any other bank note which no longer has legal tender status" same with any other country in EU the only note that is killed off is the 500euro note which can still be swaped..... FACTS!!!

Stop coming to the table with more bs and lies its just makes u look worse come to table with facts or good customer relational skills or go hide in ya nubcake to crypto box ya came from. FACTS!!!

The dead line for swap were changed no matter how much u change the info on that...Was no clear deadline time and this is old skool theft threw swap... wat u think ur the 1st dev team to try/do this lol.... FACTS!!!

once again im a EX exchange moderator!!!! seen more than most in crypto land would want to see!!

The rest of my post like my others are crypto facts, something your not good at aswell as customer relation skills. you could of sorted this ages ago but nah more lies and bs and try to pull wool over others eyes...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>


Check the section "Schilling banknotes with expired exchange deadlines" of the following website for an example of notes which cannot be swapped to euro any more:

https://www.oenb.at/en/Cash-Management/exchanging-legacy-currencies-for-euro/Schilling.html

You have indicated that the banks always allow unlimited swap times - the above link from the national bank of an EU country proves that your claim is simply not true - there are deadlines in some cases.
This brief discussion on rather simple case of bank notes clearly shows how you handle anything which does not agree with you. You are calling people liars and whatnot even when a simple google search provides clear examples that you are not correct in your statements.

In any case, it seems that people do not trust your statements nor judgment - I certainly do not.

member
Activity: 497
Merit: 24

Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.


Once again talking more total crap u are as "The Bank will continue to exchange the old £5 notes indefinitely, as it would for any other bank note which no longer has legal tender status" same with any other country in EU the only note that is killed off is the 500euro note which can still be swaped..... FACTS!!!

Stop coming to the table with more bs and lies its just makes u look worse come to table with facts or good customer relational skills or go hide in ya nubcake to crypto box ya came from. FACTS!!!

The dead line for swap were changed no matter how much u change the info on that...Was no clear deadline time and this is old skool theft threw swap... wat u think ur the 1st dev team to try/do this lol.... FACTS!!!

once again im a EX exchange moderator!!!! seen more than most in crypto land would want to see!!

The rest of my post like my others are crypto facts, something your not good at aswell as customer relation skills. you could of sorted this ages ago but nah more lies and bs and try to pull wool over others eyes...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>

jr. member
Activity: 440
Merit: 1

Hello SaniaNet,

You forgot 1 thing in your calculation and that is that there was on exchange redemption on Cryptopia, Yobit and Tradesatoshi. Wich all had a big volume so they had a lot of coins. Here are the calculations:

Premine 3.550.000.000
You claim there is 1.711.849.758.428 PAC redeemed before june 1st that is 1.711.849.758 $PAC (seems right)
3.550.000.000-1.711.849.758 = 1.838.150.242
160.000.000 split accross 4 founders for the expenses they have made (https://blog.paccoin.net/paccoin-pac-redemption-update-improving-founding-member-transparency/)
1.838.150.242 - 160.000.000 = 1.678.150.242 $PAC
With june redemption 4000:1.
1.678.150.242 - 14.305.830 = 1.663.844.412 $PAC
On exchange redemptions: about 1.375.000.000 $PAC
1.663.844.412 - 1.375.000.000 = 288.844.412 $PAC what went to treasury for operational costs as shown in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PACcoinOfficial/comments/8wvkqt/the_paccoin_to_pac_redemption_is_officially_closed/

Kind Regards,
Koen Peters
[email protected]


My calculations are based on the rules of exchange agreed upon by the community. Everyone can check my calculations by himself.
If the swap with the exchanges did not go according to the rules, how can you confirm that exactly 1 375 000 000 $PAC coins were sent to the exchanges? What identifiers of the relevant transactions and confirmation that these transactions belong to the exchanges?

If u read back i warned all they were stealing and changing swap dates and liein to long term holders but meh and blah to u all...

dont they realize im Ex exchange mod and seen this kind of stuff before and know about the goods and the bads devs have done before these fools were even a wink in there 2x dads eye's??!?
Warned u all....

And i was the 1 that got all there info updated on old pac on topia which made the coin look more verified which got more vol and interest in it but they dont care there just out for themselves and there backpocket.
I was 1 of the only sha miners of this coin when it was on ispace mining pool and solo mined abit and never sold at any time but tried to swap and got lied and played like a fool with no crypto clue they were just after stealing my big bag threw there lies and ponzi.

Da Ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
Conveniently you have skipped the answer on the last post you quoted above - ignoring relevant statements of a discussion is often an indication that a person is trying to deceive.
Even if that was not done on purpose, so far you have claimed / believed that I am $PAC main dev who I am not, then you mistakenly claimed that the $PAC October hard fork has to do with the swap from old paccoin to $PAC in this very thread - it is no wonder that nobody believes you, as you noted yourself already. In any case, it is clear you are set to hurt $PAC no matter the costs...




"trying to deceive" yip takes 1 to know 1 hey but at least that guy talking in facts unlike u....funny how u didn premine for total coins of old pac but didnt swap em out clean.... its like a bank swapping to new note but telling people soz u cant swap them now lol.... maybe if u done a CLEAN swap there wouldnt be this issue.

u didnt and dont show thanks/respect to those that helped old pac ( which in long term helped the rebirth of $pac due to the interest in it, im not downing the work thats put into it by the devs but to not show thanks or respect to the 1s that help build the back bone of community n da shaodws and get interest in old pac shows the devs style of play ).

U just play them like fools and swap swap dates and lie to them and dont try to mediate with them esp old guards that have large trust within large crypto community thats your mistake not mine....

u/devs had every chance to pm or work things out but nah, more lies and bs...
lol cost  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  u cost me billions of oldpac and cost me alot of mining time and elect cost and time sorting oldpac out on topia...
some people never learn dont kick those that help ya in da nuts or they will kick back :_)>

See in crypto u win more with crypto facts not bs and lies...

Facts+alil Fu=crypto ( crypto troll ) win.

So il point out the crypto FACTs and flaws within to make other awares of $pac devs deeds...

Da ja
Stabycroc ;_)>
As to your comment on banks swapping old notes and/or old currency:

If there would be a way for old notes to generate more of them like old paccoin PoS allowed, the central banks would not allow swapping of those notes for long periods of time, since this would lead to an easy abuse of the swap. Beside, the central bank of at least one EU state does not accept certain old notes from the old currency any more - there are deadlines there as well. Therefore, again, you are simply wrong.

The rest of your post are just statements mixed with your interpretations of events and your anger - you are not providing any substantial evidence for anything that would clearly show that the $PAC team has done something wrong.
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