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sr. member
Activity: 756
Merit: 250
You are asking me to read !!! 😆😆😆
Why don’t you read first ?
Understand what I’m talking about before you play smart ??
I never even mentioned redemption 😂


You guys are so stupid. You are creating these new accounts and trying FUD. If you do not anything about crypto you gusy need to leave and go somewhere else, where you can use your so called expertise. No buddy told you to buy without knowing. Kapish!!

The only one thats not up to par with his intelligence is you, you are unable to win an argument without cursing. Also "kapish" is not a word, its spelled "capisce". Maybe you need to start using a dicktionary before you start to use grown up words!

It's funny that you criticized him for his wording or spelling, but look at the wonderful typo you made while having this conversation with him.  Wink

That was so on purpose man, are you that naive?

Are you sure he would have found out about it without someone pointing it out in red color?
full member
Activity: 302
Merit: 102
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Anyone try this? Real?
jr. member
Activity: 76
Merit: 2
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.

Oh by the way ,,, I didn’t lose money ,,
You’re just upset because pac is tanking
You guys can blame those who lost money
All you want ,, it’s typical scammers practices to
Always blame the victims .
But bottom line is this
A huge percentage of pac investors lost money ,, just don’t expect
Them to compliment you
. Please show me a post of mine that claims I was upset because of pacs price. In fact, I remember saying in the old board that this would happen. This always happens with reverse splits. That being said, I am upset with the number of rants by folks who clearly shouldn't be in the game. The pps aka coin price means squat to me at this stage in the game. Talk to me about it in November. Take notes son.

MikeyMellow; your attitude, your posts, the way you express yourself, it is so obvious that you are upset. No need for you to claim it. Stop the name calling and trash talk. Dont be a jerk
. Yes the attitude is because I'm upset. Absolutely. But not because of any losses or the pps. Sorry to disappoint you. Like I said before, I said this was going to happen and expected it. Not my first reverse split and won't be my last. Now the faster y'all come to grips that no scam was in play, the faster y'all will stop moaning about it. The company had a warning right on there website about cryptopia. News flash, it's called doing your due diligence. Take notes son.
. Oh almost forgot. You only lose if you sell, or the coin goes bk. (Doubt that's gonna happen) If you bought too high and are currently under water, hodl that mofo. But spreading fud because you made a newbie/bad investment decision is really being the jerk!!!
jr. member
Activity: 76
Merit: 2
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.

Oh by the way ,,, I didn’t lose money ,,
You’re just upset because pac is tanking
You guys can blame those who lost money
All you want ,, it’s typical scammers practices to
Always blame the victims .
But bottom line is this
A huge percentage of pac investors lost money ,, just don’t expect
Them to compliment you
. Please show me a post of mine that claims I was upset because of pacs price. In fact, I remember saying in the old board that this would happen. This always happens with reverse splits. That being said, I am upset with the number of rants by folks who clearly shouldn't be in the game. The pps aka coin price means squat to me at this stage in the game. Talk to me about it in November. Take notes son.

MikeyMellow; your attitude, your posts, the way you express yourself, it is so obvious that you are upset. No need for you to claim it. Stop the name calling and trash talk. Dont be a jerk
. Yes the attitude is because I'm upset. Absolutely. But not because of any losses or the pps. Sorry to disappoint you. Like I said before, I said this was going to happen and expected it. Not my first reverse split and won't be my last. Now the faster y'all come to grips that no scam was in play, the faster y'all will stop moaning about it. The company had a warning right on there website about cryptopia. News flash, it's called doing your due diligence. Take notes son.
newbie
Activity: 22
Merit: 0
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.

Oh by the way ,,, I didn’t lose money ,,
You’re just upset because pac is tanking
You guys can blame those who lost money
All you want ,, it’s typical scammers practices to
Always blame the victims .
But bottom line is this
A huge percentage of pac investors lost money ,, just don’t expect
Them to compliment you
. Please show me a post of mine that claims I was upset because of pacs price. In fact, I remember saying in the old board that this would happen. This always happens with reverse splits. That being said, I am upset with the number of rants by folks who clearly shouldn't be in the game. The pps aka coin price means squat to me at this stage in the game. Talk to me about it in November. Take notes son.

MikeyMellow; your attitude, your posts, the way you express yourself, it is so obvious that you are upset. No need for you to claim it. Stop the name calling and trash talk. Dont be a jerk
jr. member
Activity: 76
Merit: 2
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.

Oh by the way ,,, I didn’t lose money ,,
You’re just upset because pac is tanking
You guys can blame those who lost money
All you want ,, it’s typical scammers practices to
Always blame the victims .
But bottom line is this
A huge percentage of pac investors lost money ,, just don’t expect
Them to compliment you
. Please show me a post of mine that claims I was upset because of pacs price. In fact, I remember saying in the old board that this would happen. This always happens with reverse splits. That being said, I am upset with the number of rants by folks who clearly shouldn't be in the game. The pps aka coin price means squat to me at this stage in the game. Talk to me about it in November. Take notes son.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.

Oh by the way ,,, I didn’t lose money ,,
You’re just upset because pac is tanking
You guys can blame those who lost money
All you want ,, it’s typical scammers practices to
Always blame the victims .
But bottom line is this
A huge percentage of pac investors lost money ,, just don’t expect
Them to compliment you
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 1
Do you need ukrainian translation?
Hi DEV)) do you deed ukrainian translation?

I'm not a dev, but I can reply you...

@PACcoinOfficial
@PAC_HelpDesk
@PAC_Brad
@PaccoinFoundation
@Paccoin4Prez
@PACcoinCZAR
@PACcoinMan
@PACcoin_Whale
@PACcoinBull
@paccoin_no1
@PacCoinComunity
@Captain_PAC_
@PACcoinRussia
@PACcoin_Italia
@PacCoinBrasil

and I apologize to those I forgot (I can update this, just write)

so take your time and open @PacCoinUkrajina, but be careful not to cheat anyone or you will be banned by the whole community!
jr. member
Activity: 76
Merit: 2
Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud
says the fool who lost money. They sold the same coin for different prices per the different base currencies. Learn to read and comprehend before coming on the internet showing your stupidity.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0

I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.

Sorry Break, coinmarketcap never put other exchanges out of sync except for a few hours, Cryptopia volumes were so high compared to the others that weighted average showed a price very close to that of Cryptopia.
In this the $PAC team could not do anything unless teach everyone how an weighted average works.
I personally bought 20 million PacCoin @1 sat price when they were climbing to 2!

So thanks guys, for all this. I have been reading and taking time to watch the videos posted in this and other threads. I have to be honest my conviction of everyone being a scammer was incorrect. I would like to apologize to all that felt offended by that.

I have been watching Abiel Ruiz' video and this cleared much up for me. I am going to be prompt here, i have bought at a wrong moment on the wrong exchange. You were all right, i didn't feel right losing money over night and it pissed me off but i see now it was my own mistake not the one of the pac team.

After seeing the new PAC Wallet app that's to be released soon i have decided to buy pac at the right moment, and bought pac coin against the current low price. I hope this coin will be awesome and my faith in this project is restored.

I'm sorry for the fudding, but i felt the team let me down. Fortunately thats now all in the past.


member
Activity: 113
Merit: 10


I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.

I bought 5.4 Billion old PacCoin by 34 BTC total when they were climbing to 2.


kel-alt - I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
Putting 34 BTC on one coin is beyond my comprehension and way beyond my means.
I would guess you bought 1000s of BTC at $100 or less so you can throw them around
without much worry. I am hoping this is, for now, the worst trade decision you ever made.
You have to sleep in the bed you made. Two choices, sell and take the loss, or HODL.
I am really having trouble putting myself in your shoes. Every investor has their own style,
what their bankroll is, and how they weigh risk. To repeat, I do not understand your style at all.
Anyone in crypto has experienced huge losses. So far the gains on good trades/investments
in the market as a whole have made losses look small in hindsight. Best of luck to you.
I hope you have 10x gain on $PAC at some point which would give you an astounding 340 BTC!
 






newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0

I bought 5.4 Billion old PacCoin by 34 BTC total when they were climbing to 2.


WOW so if I am correct. You must have 11 (possibly more) masternodes currently paying $62 each every 3 days or less.

That is like $7,000 a month at these current low rates and your coins never go down in numbers so if the prices rise then WOW.. crazy numbers

I wouldn't be worried at the current price it has to go up with all the coins being taken out of circulation and invested into more masternodes.

Fair play to you man that is a very wise investment. I wish I had them pumping out free coins at a phenomenal rate.

Nice one.
[/quote]

WTF like only last week you must have been getting like $2200 every 2 days.

That is crazy

How long have you had your masternodes up and running?
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0

I bought 5.4 Billion old PacCoin by 34 BTC total when they were climbing to 2.

[/quote]

WOW so if I am correct. You must have 11 (possibly more) masternodes currently paying $62 each every 3 days or less.

That is like $7,000 a month at these current low rates and your coins never go down in numbers so if the prices rise then WOW.. crazy numbers

I wouldn't be worried at the current price it has to go up with all the coins being taken out of circulation and invested into more masternodes.

Fair play to you man that is a very wise investment. I wish I had them pumping out free coins at a phenomenal rate.

Nice one.
newbie
Activity: 76
Merit: 0


I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.

I bought 5.4 Billion old PacCoin by 34 BTC total when they were climbing to 2.
jr. member
Activity: 74
Merit: 5

I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.

Sorry Break, coinmarketcap never put other exchanges out of sync except for a few hours, Cryptopia volumes were so high compared to the others that weighted average showed a price very close to that of Cryptopia.
In this the $PAC team could not do anything unless teach everyone how an weighted average works.
I personally bought 20 million PacCoin @1 sat price when they were climbing to 2!

Yeah, I never look at the averaged price, I check the raw exchange numbers -- always, for exactly that reason. One exchange with crazy volume can wash out the rest with mis-information.
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I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.

Sorry Break, coinmarketcap never put other exchanges out of sync except for a few hours, Cryptopia volumes were so high compared to the others that weighted average showed a price very close to that of Cryptopia.
In this the $PAC team could not do anything unless teach everyone how an weighted average works.
I personally bought 20 million PacCoin @1 sat price when they were climbing to 2!
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Yes I do I want to know this ,
If pac team knew cryptopia was in fact committing
Fraud by selling the same coin at two different prices why didn’t they
Demand cryptopia to stop ?
Why did they allow this to go on ?
Who started the btc/pac trade on cryptopia ?
Why didn’t the team at least try to force cryptopia to announce
Pac was selling for a much higher price using btc ??
Something just smells fishy I just can’t believe a responsible
Business team would allow their own investors to get
Screwed like this !!!!

You can't be serious? What country are you from? In the U.S some stores may sell some Jordans for 300.00 dollars, while other stores may sell the same pair for 150.00. You know what smart shoppers do? They look around, and they go and buy from the cheapest seller on the market.


This is the most stupid thing ever .
I can’t believe you compare shopping for clothes to
Trading in exchanges .
Selling the same coin for two different prices in the same
Exchange is fraudulent .
The only time it’s ok If the price difference is insignificant
But in the case of pac the price in btc was at least
10x higher .
So don’t be stupid this is definitely a case of  fraud

I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

best,
break.
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pac team and their supporting team just making price low and buy all $pac at low price, because they sold their old pac at 1 set to 2 set .

I can't help but feed the trolls, sorry everyone. You do realize in previous posts you accused the $PAC team of scamming people by raising the price and, in essence, encouraged people to avoid $PAC, drop their holdings, etc. -- which, of course, will likely lead a price to fall. And now, a few pages later you're accusing the magical $PAC team of causing the price to fall (which is exactly what people like you calling it a scam will do to anyone naive enough to believe you) and then buying it.

I'm just baffled. I'm pretty sure no matter what anyone says to you, you're just here to make trouble. That's all I can believe. I've come on here to let people know the $PAC team is still here to help but no matter what evidence you're shown, what proof you see, you just pick some random concept that confirms your bias and go with that.

Please research confidence bias and actually evaluate the facts. I know that's difficult for people on the internet but your statements are 100% inconsistent. If anyone is pushing the price down, it's people like you.

What benefit does a collapsing price have for $PAC -- we're the ones putting our time in to make $PAC functional?

best,
break.
Hello, do not blame others for your work. people are not made who bought at 1 - 2 set per old pac, they sell their $pac at 100 set or low. You guys who help dev team to scam peoples money, are working with dev team to down price. dev team and you guys selling your all of free $pac those got from dev team for helping, and also masternodes owner working for price down.

price increase if you guys not selling yours free $pac, If you guys work with dev team to add $pac on different market. Because still people have interest on $pac. it is 35 days gone started $pac. but till now, you guys can't add $pac to any new market.

You guys just here for taking your profit.
newbie
Activity: 14
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pac team and their supporting team just making price low and buy all $pac at low price, because they sold their old pac at 1 set to 2 set .

I can't help but feed the trolls, sorry everyone. You do realize in previous posts you accused the $PAC team of scamming people by raising the price and, in essence, encouraged people to avoid $PAC, drop their holdings, etc. -- which, of course, will likely lead a price to fall. And now, a few pages later you're accusing the magical $PAC team of causing the price to fall (which is exactly what people like you calling it a scam will do to anyone naive enough to believe you) and then buying it.

I'm just baffled. I'm pretty sure no matter what anyone says to you, you're just here to make trouble. That's all I can believe. I've come on here to let people know the $PAC team is still here to help but no matter what evidence you're shown, what proof you see, you just pick some random concept that confirms your bias and go with that.

Please research confidence bias and actually evaluate the facts. I know that's difficult for people on the internet but your statements are 100% inconsistent. If anyone is pushing the price down, it's people like you.

What benefit does a collapsing price have for $PAC -- we're the ones putting our time in to make $PAC functional?

best,
break.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong ,
We aren’t here to spread fud as you claim .
We just want to know the reasons why we lost 90%
Of our investment .
all you do is blame investors , accuse them of spreading fud and of trolling !!
I’m just so sick of you guys asking us to research as if we haven’t !!!
The truth is this
Pac team knew cryptopia was screwing investors in the pac/btc
Market yet they did nothing to stop it .
So it’s normal for investors who lost money to question pac team intentions
Why didn’t they step in to protect their community?
Were they dumping their private stash of paccoin for btc ??
Were they benefiting?
I think they were
jr. member
Activity: 74
Merit: 5
pac team and their supporting team just making price low and buy all $pac at low price, because they sold their old pac at 1 set to 2 set .

I can't help but feed the trolls, sorry everyone. You do realize in previous posts you accused the $PAC team of scamming people by raising the price and, in essence, encouraged people to avoid $PAC, drop their holdings, etc. -- which, of course, will likely lead a price to fall. And now, a few pages later you're accusing the magical $PAC team of causing the price to fall (which is exactly what people like you calling it a scam will do to anyone naive enough to believe you) and then buying it.

I'm just baffled. I'm pretty sure no matter what anyone says to you, you're just here to make trouble. That's all I can believe. I've come on here to let people know the $PAC team is still here to help but no matter what evidence you're shown, what proof you see, you just pick some random concept that confirms your bias and go with that.

Please research confidence bias and actually evaluate the facts. I know that's difficult for people on the internet but your statements are 100% inconsistent. If anyone is pushing the price down, it's people like you.

What benefit does a collapsing price have for $PAC -- we're the ones putting our time in to make $PAC functional?

best,
break.
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