what a shitshow.
You cant get away with this type of junk , can you ?
Topic: [ANN] Payger - Payment + Messenger - page 2. (Read 1845 times)
ICO funds will be refunded when cash flows increases as wider acceptance of Payger becomes established.
That announcement constitutes a fraud. Giving a promise for payout on fictitious income, whereas it was previously stated that funds from the pre-ico will be entirely spent for "development". Not to say that those funds were already stolen by Christoph Hering and Ken Code.
reserved for updates
I have an update for you. Return original ICO funds or get sued and jailed.
a refund is not the current option since all of the raised funds are dedicated to the delivery of the products. Don´t forget we started in August 2016. Most of the raised funds are already spent for development purposes in 2016 and 2017. The amount left is used to pay our international development team of 15 senior devs who are finalizing the first product launch in Q2 2018. I am fully focused on the product launch now and there is still a lot to do.
First of all, this is a shit show. Christoph does not dare to correspond directly. pie777 is a fake, that was obvious from the beginning.
Clearly there is a fraud going on. The financials do not match up, there is an unexplained deficiency of 430BTC. Also, nothing is disclosed about the 3406ETH.
It was clear with the announcement of Payger that it is about conversing the pre-ICO funds, and not a simple rebranding for which the purpose was stated.
Christoph and his lawyer dad are committing an exit scam where they try to get away with stealing a large proportion of the pre-ICO funds.
There is no way that most of the raised funds were spent for development purposes in 2016 and 2017. It is a blatant lie. Funds were given to the scammer Ken Code. Christoph Hering: Show us the invoices for the money that was allegedly paid to the individual programmers under contract.
This is a scam. Where is blockpay or many? We going to the police...
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Its joke
Its joke
There was a deadline for 8. January mentioned in the deleted forum post, still available in Google cache, from correspondence sent by the lawyer, looks pretty legit :
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Sehr geehrter Herr Kollege Dr. Hering,
anbei mein Schreiben an den ICO-Abwickler Boesing. Sie haben mein Schreiben diesbezüglich ja bislang ebenfalls ignoriert. Es spricht schon Bände, dass dieses Excrow Agreement scheinbar so ein Staatsgeheimnis ist. Entweder gibt es keines oder Ihr Sohn hat sich nicht daran gehalten. So oder so wird es Ihrer Mandantin BitShares nicht erspart bleiben, das Escrow Agreement zu übermitteln. Entweder an mich oder eben an die Behörden, die ich dann gezwungen bin einzuschalten.
Mit besten kollegialen Grüßen / Best regards
Bernhard Schmeilzl
Rechtsanwalt & Master of Laws (Leicester)
anbei mein Schreiben an den ICO-Abwickler Boesing. Sie haben mein Schreiben diesbezüglich ja bislang ebenfalls ignoriert. Es spricht schon Bände, dass dieses Excrow Agreement scheinbar so ein Staatsgeheimnis ist. Entweder gibt es keines oder Ihr Sohn hat sich nicht daran gehalten. So oder so wird es Ihrer Mandantin BitShares nicht erspart bleiben, das Escrow Agreement zu übermitteln. Entweder an mich oder eben an die Behörden, die ich dann gezwungen bin einzuschalten.
Mit besten kollegialen Grüßen / Best regards
Bernhard Schmeilzl
Rechtsanwalt & Master of Laws (Leicester)
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Von: Bernhard Schmeilzl
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 16:43
An: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Cc: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; 'hering + partner | Dr. Wolfgang Hering' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Betreff: ICO BitShares Munich - Escrow Agreement
Wichtigkeit: Hoch
LETTER BEFORE ACTION / DEADLINE 8 January 2018
Sehr geehrter Herr Boesing, // dear Mr Boesing,
beachten Sie bitte das beigefügte Anwaltschreiben. // Please note the attached Letter before Action against you.
Bei erfolglosem Fristablauf veranlassen wir ohne weitere Vorankündigung juristische Schritte. // Ignoring this letter will lead to immediate legal action against you after expiry of the deadline set therein.
Mit besten Grüßen / Best regards
Bernhard Schmeilzl
Rechtsanwalt & Master of Laws (Leicester)
/webmailer/mail/getinlineimage/uniqueId/[email protected]&folder=lawyer+Schmeilzl
Graf & Partner Rechtsanwälte Partnerschaftsgesellschaft mbB
a German limited liability partnership of German lawyers admitted to the bar, registered with the District Court Munich, Partnership Register Nr. 438, represented by its managing partners Bernhard Schmeilzl and Katrin Groll
Bitte nutzen Sie unsere zentrale Telefonnummer: 0941 463 7070
Please call our central switchboard number: +49 941 463 7070
Büro München | Munich Office:
Radlkoferstr. 2, D-81373 München
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Bischof-von-Henle-Str. 2a, D-93051 Regensburg
Tel +49 (0) 941 463 707-0
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Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017 16:43
An: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Cc: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; 'hering + partner | Dr. Wolfgang Hering' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Betreff: ICO BitShares Munich - Escrow Agreement
Wichtigkeit: Hoch
LETTER BEFORE ACTION / DEADLINE 8 January 2018
Sehr geehrter Herr Boesing, // dear Mr Boesing,
beachten Sie bitte das beigefügte Anwaltschreiben. // Please note the attached Letter before Action against you.
Bei erfolglosem Fristablauf veranlassen wir ohne weitere Vorankündigung juristische Schritte. // Ignoring this letter will lead to immediate legal action against you after expiry of the deadline set therein.
Mit besten Grüßen / Best regards
Bernhard Schmeilzl
Rechtsanwalt & Master of Laws (Leicester)
/webmailer/mail/getinlineimage/uniqueId/[email protected]&folder=lawyer+Schmeilzl
Graf & Partner Rechtsanwälte Partnerschaftsgesellschaft mbB
a German limited liability partnership of German lawyers admitted to the bar, registered with the District Court Munich, Partnership Register Nr. 438, represented by its managing partners Bernhard Schmeilzl and Katrin Groll
Bitte nutzen Sie unsere zentrale Telefonnummer: 0941 463 7070
Please call our central switchboard number: +49 941 463 7070
Büro München | Munich Office:
Radlkoferstr. 2, D-81373 München
Büro Regensburg | Regensburg Office:
Bischof-von-Henle-Str. 2a, D-93051 Regensburg
Tel +49 (0) 941 463 707-0
Ext +49 (0) 941 463 707-10
Fax +49 (0) 941 463 707-99
www.grafpartner.com | www.germanbarristers.com | www.crosschannellawyers.co.uk
How would pie777 know if there is any investigation or not? The authorities have them undisclosed, initial reviews take a lot of time, and until they are brought forward to the prosecutor can take years. This is in particular the case for fraud and unprecedented cases like ICOs. Even the people filing the charges do not get informed about details of the investigation.
Christoph Hering is totally untrustworthy. As with any scam, look for the money trail. What more to say.
Christoph Hering is totally untrustworthy. As with any scam, look for the money trail. What more to say.
There would at least be a file number from the police department working on the case.
If anybody has a file number for the case and the police department in charge, please post it.
Hello to Everyone
My name is Rodrigo Crespo, ex Co Founder & Chief Marketing Officer of Bitshares Munich and BlockPay. I know that a lot of people know me in person and has seen me in all a lot of past videos and events of BlockPay.
...
All of this makes me very dissapointed not only for me , but for the 150 hard working people worldwide wide employees we had and for all the investors for loosing their money because of a person that only wanted all for him. If you need more information , emails messages please let me know and i will upload them to the share link that I will share here , so that you can see some proof, and there is tons and tons of proof that we are using legal against him. Here is the link BELOW!
if anyone wants more information please don't hesitate to write to our lawyer Bernhard [email protected]
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IB87_KvwhiGV9mWqFVyZoGL5qBGFv2ZS?usp=sharing
Kind Regards
Rodrigo Crespo
My name is Rodrigo Crespo, ex Co Founder & Chief Marketing Officer of Bitshares Munich and BlockPay. I know that a lot of people know me in person and has seen me in all a lot of past videos and events of BlockPay.
...
All of this makes me very dissapointed not only for me , but for the 150 hard working people worldwide wide employees we had and for all the investors for loosing their money because of a person that only wanted all for him. If you need more information , emails messages please let me know and i will upload them to the share link that I will share here , so that you can see some proof, and there is tons and tons of proof that we are using legal against him. Here is the link BELOW!
if anyone wants more information please don't hesitate to write to our lawyer Bernhard [email protected]
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IB87_KvwhiGV9mWqFVyZoGL5qBGFv2ZS?usp=sharing
Kind Regards
Rodrigo Crespo
This gets ever more rat hole like here, the address of the lawyer mentioned, is right across the street from Echo Industries new business address. Could even be the same building. Whats going on here?
https://www.google.de/maps/place/Radlkoferstraße+2,+81373+München
And then there was a thread on a German forum, which was just 5 hours old and got deleted immediately, but is still in Google cache
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YKumY9V0EMQJ:https://coinforum.de/topic/12530-christoph-hering-ceo-of-echo-industries-gmbh/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=safari
Hering is personally liable for the whole mess and all damages, everything that happened on behalf of Echo Industries.
It's been a UG before re-registering as a GmbH in Germany, which means the former owners are 100% liable for every business transaction that occurred before they turned it into a LLC.
Are there legal proceedings brought up against him, and if so, under which file number at the prosecutor?
Fraud is very punishable in Germany, especially in Bavaria, they usually don't fuck around very long, if in doubt they just lock the perpetrators up in prison. And fraudsters have a very bad standing in prison, ranking right after pedophiles.
It's been a UG before re-registering as a GmbH in Germany, which means the former owners are 100% liable for every business transaction that occurred before they turned it into a LLC.
Are there legal proceedings brought up against him, and if so, under which file number at the prosecutor?
Fraud is very punishable in Germany, especially in Bavaria, they usually don't fuck around very long, if in doubt they just lock the perpetrators up in prison. And fraudsters have a very bad standing in prison, ranking right after pedophiles.
And he's hanging out on Meetup a lot, luring in more unsuspecting suckers in Munich
https://www.meetup.com/Blockchain-MasterMind/
https://www.meetup.com/Blockchain-MasterMind/
Hering is CEO of Echo Industries, which just re-registered as a GmbH (German form of LLC)
NAME
Echo Industries GmbH
vormals: Echo Industries UG
HANDELSREGISTER
Amtsgericht München HRB 225851
ADRESSE
Lipowskystr. 10 b, D-81373 München
vormals: Lindwurmstr. 65, D-80337 München
GEGENSTAND
Software Entwicklung, Entwicklung verschiedener Unterhaltungs- & Chat Programme für mobile Endgeräte und Webbrowser, sowie deren Vertrieb weltweit; ausgenommen sind solche Aktivitäten, Handlungen oder Geschäfte, die als Unternehmensgegenstand einer staatlichen Genehmigung oder Erlaubnis bedürfen.
Name: Echo Industries GmbH
Anschrift: Lipowskystr. 10 b
Geschäftsführer Christoph Hering
Kapital: €25.000
https://www.northdata.de/Echo+Industries+GmbH,+München/HRB+225851
NAME
Echo Industries GmbH
vormals: Echo Industries UG
HANDELSREGISTER
Amtsgericht München HRB 225851
ADRESSE
Lipowskystr. 10 b, D-81373 München
vormals: Lindwurmstr. 65, D-80337 München
GEGENSTAND
Software Entwicklung, Entwicklung verschiedener Unterhaltungs- & Chat Programme für mobile Endgeräte und Webbrowser, sowie deren Vertrieb weltweit; ausgenommen sind solche Aktivitäten, Handlungen oder Geschäfte, die als Unternehmensgegenstand einer staatlichen Genehmigung oder Erlaubnis bedürfen.
Name: Echo Industries GmbH
Anschrift: Lipowskystr. 10 b
Geschäftsführer Christoph Hering
Kapital: €25.000
https://www.northdata.de/Echo+Industries+GmbH,+München/HRB+225851
How would pie777 know if there is any investigation or not? The authorities have them undisclosed, initial reviews take a lot of time, and until they are brought forward to the prosecutor can take years. This is in particular the case for fraud and unprecedented cases like ICOs. Even the people filing the charges do not get informed about details of the investigation.
Christoph Hering is totally untrustworthy. As with any scam, look for the money trail. What more to say.
Christoph Hering is totally untrustworthy. As with any scam, look for the money trail. What more to say.
Well i'm a bagholder of Blockpay and OPENPOS as well, nobody has addressed the concerns about blockpay but Chris and Ken are already promoting new projects how is that possible? 
Thanks Rodrigo! All those who followed the Blockpay fiasco know that you were always honest and hard working. I am sure nobody ever said a bad word about you.
I hope to be able to join ongoing legal action. I have significant funding for that.
I hope to be able to join ongoing legal action. I have significant funding for that.
This is going to be an absolute heaven for all kinds of shady businesses!
What a shady profile https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bestcryptoexistence-1853826
Where is pie777?
https://twitter.com/PaygerHQ/status/964095333058908160
He is using the credentials of another person for his purposes. A warning was sent out...
He is using the credentials of another person for his purposes. A warning was sent out...
This is going to be an absolute heaven for all kinds of shady businesses!
So why would the finanzamt (tax authority) be the one in Neubrandenburg? Bitshares Munich and the Herings have/had their domicile in Munich.
It is worth it reading https://steemit.com/payger/@payger/ann-payger-payment-messenger#comments . There he says "... Also, I never opened a business in Mexico. A former business partner had the intention to open a business in Mexico but failed to provide correct contracts, invoices, financial plans or documents.". As a matter of fact the Blockpay office in Mexico existed, and Christoph Hering was directly involved in opening it https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QNoiAYPRu3iG25Dm8rWPUrb-1oOFdc8-/view .
He is a notorious liar, over and over again.
It is worth it reading https://steemit.com/payger/@payger/ann-payger-payment-messenger#comments . There he says "... Also, I never opened a business in Mexico. A former business partner had the intention to open a business in Mexico but failed to provide correct contracts, invoices, financial plans or documents.". As a matter of fact the Blockpay office in Mexico existed, and Christoph Hering was directly involved in opening it https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QNoiAYPRu3iG25Dm8rWPUrb-1oOFdc8-/view .
He is a notorious liar, over and over again.
It's UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE that this guy has the balls to come with yet another scammy project to this community!! And blatantly showing his face and everything! I mean, if he had a little bit of intelligence left he would at least hire another person to be the public face for his new scam.
If anyone is seriously considering giving this dude a single satoshi then I just have a couple of wisdom pieces for you:
1- "A fool and his money are soon parted"
2- "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
Anyways, it's your money, but you've been warned.
And Chris, don't come asking me to reveal my identity, you have what would amount to 5 fucking million dollars (from stolen funds) by now and your father is a lawyer, so it would not by any means be wise for me to reveal my identity. People just don't go out of their way to slander honest entrepreneurs like that. And besides that, you have a proven track record of defrauding countless investors with your previous BlockPay scam.
If anyone is seriously considering giving this dude a single satoshi then I just have a couple of wisdom pieces for you:
1- "A fool and his money are soon parted"
2- "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
Anyways, it's your money, but you've been warned.
And Chris, don't come asking me to reveal my identity, you have what would amount to 5 fucking million dollars (from stolen funds) by now and your father is a lawyer, so it would not by any means be wise for me to reveal my identity. People just don't go out of their way to slander honest entrepreneurs like that. And besides that, you have a proven track record of defrauding countless investors with your previous BlockPay scam.
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