Topic: [ANN] [POW] EPIC - Epic Private Internet Cash | MimbleWimble | Dandelion++ - page 5. (Read 8253 times)

Epic failure coin the coin best left for the cleaners

You're adding Max Freeman to the list of the likes of Hemingway and Tesla?  His work amounted to giving BitGrin a slightly different emission schedule and some additional mining algorithms and branding this new groundbreaking work as his own idea.  Then promoting it as having substantial investment behind it, while giving community members the chance to contribute and get a piece of the pie fresh out of the oven.  Only problem was, there was no substantial investment, and the community members didn't get paid.  So, workers from India, West Africa, and Eastern Europe were, ultimately, stiffed.  I never agreed to work for future speculative coin.  I, instead, had an agreement for monthly pay, in fiat, for my work.  I too, ultimately, was stiffed.

Is this work you like and respect?  What about this project do you enjoy?  Who is working on it?  What are they working on?  Why aren't any of those at the helms of this project speaking out on its behalf?  What defining characteristics imbues it with potential not shared by BitGrin, Grin, or Beam?  Please, do tell.  

You're completely ignorant to the fact that their personal life is affecting the dev funds and the long term life of this project. Good luck with your investing. And yes I do know of the two exchanges that currently have epic listed. If you watch the transactions they're almost all for prices that are not in the order books. It's very well known that the volume is faked on Citex and Bihodl. Open your eyes. There's absolutely 0 for volume other than the people dumping into the old buy orders.

Believe me when I say I want this to succeed as I also have a big bag from mining, but at this point I've written it off because of how useless this project is in comparison to the competition. There's plenty other projects out there with trustworthy dev's that do the exact same thing, on top of that they aren't clone coins like this. It took them weeks to fix simple problems with the API because it's not their code. The joys of cloning someone else's work and calling it your own.

No I am not John, I am just a guy who is enjoying this project, and sees its potential.
I dont know all the details of the drama that ensued, and to be honest I dont really care.
I am one of those people who likes and respects peoples work without digging into their personal stuff - that list is long - Hemingway, Tesla, Machiavelli and many others...
Good Luck to you in your future endeavors.

I'm assuming this is John/JLong.  For what it's worth, from what I've witnessed, he is a standup guy.  

He was angry with me that I made a stink about being screwed.  Apparently, speaking up about mistreatment is tantamount to burning team members. Standing up for what is right be damned, let's vilify whistelblowers for damaging share value.  

I don't know who has the multiple accounts to which you've referred.  But if being butt hurt means being disgruntled over getting stiffed for 20 grand, then I am very butt hurt.  Many of my team members got screwed, too.  Yet instead of calling out the real culprit for our misfortune,  you blame people like myself for not keeping our mouth shut.  

By the sounds of it, though, I'm not the only one in this thread that is butt hurt...

It's likely that the individual who wrote this post was also guaranteed pay which he/she never received.  They have put a lot of work into the project and are hoping to reclaim that sunken time and effort via mining rewards.  Now all that EC they've mined is worth dick.  Whoever is mining EC is, of course, accumulating the crap out of it.  To sell at the going rate would mean selling at less than what it cost to mine.  But then who is buying?

Drama aside, why would someone invest in a project that has no dev team or road map, while other MimbleWimble projects have ambitious road maps and deep talented pools of developers?  For that matter, why not just BitGrin?  It's essentially the same as EC, except that EC has a slightly different emission schedule and some added mining algs.  BitGrin, as far as I know, hasn't yet screwed over contributors.  Nor does it have nearly 9% of its dev tax going to the one person who was responsible for screwing contributors over, does it?

Nice try at masking your disappointment, MajorMiner.  Kudos for dismissing unethical business practices as a pesky footnote to the ascension of EC token value.   *golf clap*

Not sure what world you're living in, but the public clearly does give two shits. The price and net hash have dropped off significantly. Literally no one is buying. All the volume is faked on the two Chinese exchanges that have listed it. Chainrift delisted it because no one was buying.

I'm assuming this is John/JLong.  For what it's worth, from what I've witnessed, he is a standup guy.  

He was angry with me that I made a stink about being screwed.  Apparently, speaking up about mistreatment is tantamount to burning team members. Standing up for what is right be damned, let's vilify whistelblowers for damaging share value.  

I don't know who has the multiple accounts to which you've referred.  But if being butt hurt means being disgruntled over getting stiffed for 20 grand, then I am very butt hurt.  Many of my team members got screwed, too.  Yet instead of calling out the real culprit for our misfortune,  you blame people like myself for not keeping our mouth shut.  

By the sounds of it, though, I'm not the only one in this thread that is butt hurt...

It's likely that the individual who wrote this post was also guaranteed pay which he/she never received.  They have put a lot of work into the project and are hoping to reclaim that sunken time and effort via mining rewards.  Now all that EC they've mined is worth dick.  Whoever is mining EC is, of course, accumulating the crap out of it.  To sell at the going rate would mean selling at less than what it cost to mine.  But then who is buying?

Drama aside, why would someone invest in a project that has no dev team or road map, while other MimbleWimble projects have ambitious road maps and deep talented pools of developers?  For that matter, why not just BitGrin?  It's essentially the same as EC, except that EC has a slightly different emission schedule and some added mining algs.  BitGrin, as far as I know, hasn't yet screwed over contributors.  Nor does it have nearly 9% of its dev tax going to the one person who was responsible for screwing contributors over, does it?

Nice try at masking your disappointment, MajorMiner.  Kudos for dismissing unethical business practices as a pesky footnote to the ascension of EC token value.   *golf clap*

Dramalicious!
Looks like there is one seriously butt hurt individual creating multiple accounts and burning all of his former team members.
So many new accounts created just to bring this coin down ... for now...

*Analysis and Spoiler Alert!*
Project looks legit, despite the drama. NOTHING discussed in this thread invalidates the model, the tech or the usability of Epic Cash, the drama is just a show to keep the price down.
Looking at the difficulty people appear to be mining the crap out of Epic Cash, and looking at exchanges people are accumulating the crap out of Epic Cash at bargain prices!
Best part, the public does not give two shits about the drama, only that tasty difference between the bought and sold price.

Well played drama queens, please continue to entertain us!
*golf clap*

Full Disclosure - YOU KNOW I AM BUYING 

Here's Randy Hilarski, the guy who has been using his brand media channels to shill Epic Cash.  Of course, Randy has been working with Wayan Garvey on this project, as he has on previous projects, so has a vested interest in seeing Epic pump.  

The catalyst's (Wayan Garvey's) vision was to build a token off of the sweat of others' unpaid labor, to collect a dev tax for co-ordinating the unpaid labor, and then to hyper-inflate the value of that token so he could dump it off for millions in fiat.  He was in discussions with the treasurer and the whitepaper author over how they might develop stablecoin and DEX interaction to manipulate the value of Epic Cash.  Before Epic launched and disappointed, Wayan had hopes of developing a stablecoin (EUSD) and a DEX (EDEX).  That same catalyst screwed over people that money was owed to after they'd put in significant amounts of work.  He took MethodX's  (a "friend" from the toner industry) $100k investment and then channeled it into other projects, such as Covario, with which Wayan intended to take advantage of DEXs to pump Epic Cash value.  If I'm not mistaken, Covario is a project that Todd Lewis (Brick Abode), a lead paid developer for Epic, is also a part of.

Wayan Garvey has a history of fraud and shady business dealings.  Epic wasn't the first time he took advantage of workers leaving them unpaid.  At his Impro Group office in Moldova he fired dozens of IT people without pay, and then moved their jobs to the lower paid alternative in Mudurai, India. Where, incidentally, much of the "volunteer" programming for the Epic project is being done.  He downsized in the Philippines, firing much of his staff and then raised frivolous criminal suits against them when they sought legal remedies for unrightful termination and and failure to pay wages after having worked for him for years, building his Philippines company from the ground up.  

His Impro Group warehouse burned burned down twice, netting him nice earnings about which there are those who will go on the record stating that Garvey bragged about sticking it to the insurance companies and walking away considerably richer.  He has previous sexual harassment suits as head of that organization.  He's been embroiled in civil suits raised by Xerox for encouraging contract violation and purchase of materials sourced through violated contracts with Xerox.  

What Garvey doesn't have is a history in crypto.  He only got involved in mid-2017 because of the windfall profits he saw everyone making, then let his greed get the best of him and lost his ass when the market dropped out.  He has no background relevant to this industry except for running a toner trading company that his father started.  And he has some friends in the financial sector that can assist him in screwing an undeveloped exchange infrastructure.  

Only months ago he was on about how large investors from respectable VC firms, as well as Richard Branson and company, we getting on board (he actually bragged about hanging out with them on Necker Island!) and how a large pool of investment would carry the committed Epic staff into next year and onward into layer 2 developments, Epic has more recently been stiffing translators for languages like Bengali, Igbo, and Persian, as well as the whitepaper author for month's work in research, authoring and advising.  This guy, Wayan Garvey (aka Max Freeman), is the sole recipient of the dev tax and unquestioned authority on everything that happens at Epic.

And now, where is he?  On medical leave?  Leaving you to tell everyone that they can't expect pay for their work because he's to spineless to come out and admit that he lied to everyone?  And to tell us that the project doesn't rely on him, when he is clearly the linchpin who everyone answers to.  Or is it because under all this pressure he's gone deeper down the opioid rabbit hole, leaving him without the facilities to push this project forward (but at least with MethodX's money to pay for those expensive ketamine and dilaudid shots)?

Who exactly is on the dev team?  What real developments are on the roadmap?  And how will they get paid?  What token value is needed to bring paid employees (assuming their contracts would actually be honored) on?  What is Wayan Garvey's cut out of the dev tax?  Why did the lead legal representation and the treasurer resign from the board?  And where do you fit into all of this?

Say what you will, but it seems like your championing of this project in the face of those who have already been taken advantage of, your disingenuousness, and the lies you're promulgating are what are truly tasteless.  

Is it now? People complain about a Dev tax but don't mind getting shafted by projects with inflation that never ends. Epic Cash will be fine and does not rely on just one person. The catalyst was one person's idea but the vision will grow. Fudding a project with no ICO, No Pre-mine and supports privacy is tasteless.

Epic coin getting ready for that epic failure right about now

Wayan Garvey, aka Max Freeman, has conned scores of people into working for the promise of pay that he's since defaulted on.  He's appropriated investments intended for this purely community volunteer project for his own personal investments and habits (e.g. expensive opioid habit).   And now that Epic hasn't launched into the stratosphere, he's on medical leave.  Whether or not that's to attend to his opioid habit, his frail sense of self (psych ward), or if it's an excuse to deflect from the fact that he doesn't have the balls to face the music (the project is bankrupt), is anyone's guess.  

This guy defamed Grin and its developers.  He's been only slightly less derisive about Beam.  It wouldn't be long before their followers jumped ship for the Epic Cash Express.  He claimed to have visited Richard Branson and other interested investors at Necker Island, to have been in talks with Hoskinson and Antonopoulos, and to have a standing personal invitation from the president of Sierra Leone for all his philanthropic work in the country.  According to Garvey, Epic would take 2nd position in crypto market cap, behind Bitcoin, within the next 2 years.  It's been a bullshit stream of epic proportions coming from this guy's mouth, and people have been buying it.  Why?  It has nothing to do with decentralization, privacy, empowering the marginalized, or defeating the banks. It's all got to do with Lambos.  But what's new in crypto land?

The silver lining to this all is that the project is already proving to be such an epic failure that Garvey's 8.8% dev tax won't amount to much more than a BTC or 2.  Good riddance to Epic Cash.

Now only 1 person running the show.  Legal representation, treasurer, and primary investor all resigned from the board.  Leaving just Max.  So it's a democratic vote of 1 on how the dev tax is distributed....

bitgrin/epic minus dev tax ,surely will attract many miners.
dump from tax scared some miners.