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Topic: ANN [PTOY] Patientory Healthcare on the Blockchain - page 65. (Read 226778 times)

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Unless being in direct contact with the team (or former people of the team) no one can say what really will happen for this company.

However, what happened here should be a huge flag about how risky it is to deal with patientory for now.

Few points :

- About those who say that they at least have been transparent about the fact they lied, we could argue that whatever can be said, they lied, it's a fact and admitted it. After what, the question is why did they end saying it ? Was it because they really wanted to get back to some transparency at some point or was it because they hadn't much choice than this ? Many people were waiting for FDA approval news and they couldn't escape the social pressure for it.

- Maybe there really is some production and development, however we have no evidence of this as the project is not, and apparently can not be, open-source.
What should we relay on then ? Screenshots ? Could be photoshopped. Live video ? Could be PoC mocking up behaviors of the app and with no real background processing.

- Patientory might be huge player in some years if they REALLY achieve their roadmap, but for now it's just a small start-up with many big players around. As they lied, if they're really leggit they'll have to accept that they will need a colossal amount of energy, faith, time and results, to restore the faith of their token holders.

- On the slack and here i see people blaming other people for FUD. As i don't like FUD, only company can be blamed right now for the FUD going around. How can we be confident when we got lied at, and when communication has been so poor lately about that. Dont blame users and investors, this is at some point the price to pay for lying and you won't get anything else that more FUD at blaming people expressing this FUD. The only way to kill it is to get forward in the project and show that it's reliable and concrete.


As for me, i've sold most of my positions of the token. Luckily i haven't lost money on this but feel pain for those who invested lately and bought the tokens at the price peak. I'll get back in when the company will have been able to provide some seriousness, delivered what they commited to deliver, even if it means for me to buy back those tokens at a higher price.

Good luck to everyone one for the upcoming moves
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What you talking about? They cant scam investors. They have legal company. In USA very severe punishment for fraud.

what kind of legal company did you mean above ?
is this PTOY that have it ?

He meant, when they created the company they agreed to abide by legal standards in the United States. Very strict rules of ethics.

I see PTOY reaching sub 1000 sats very very soon. First 3300 so I can unload a bunch more.
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What you talking about? They cant scam investors. They have legal company. In USA very severe punishment for fraud.

what kind of legal company did you mean above ?
is this PTOY that have it ?
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Drove another spike in the coffin  Wink

Absolutely crushing any move up!

Plenty more to sell to stop any moves up. Frankly it is not costing me that much to keep the price down. As soon as I drop a few large sells people panic. No one is confident enough to hold this token now.

Is it true that there is a text advising to sell in .30s before update about FDA application delay? Hmmm. If true then that is bad business indeed.
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Drove another spike in the coffin  Wink

Absolutely crushing any move up!
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Drove another spike in the coffin  Wink
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when explain fda news ?
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Why did I buy this coin I still can't explain to myself. How could I be so stupid.
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What you talking about? They cant scam investors. They have legal company. In USA very severe punishment for fraud.

You are probably right. They are throwing the book at fraud now and with this being a crypto company too. It would be suicide to commit fraud in a soon to be regulated industry. Patientory and Clarissa cannot be that amazingly stupid!

I was talking to this crypto whale from Jamaica who sold off all of his pre-sale already. He said that none of them better never step foot in his country because they aren't as forgiving as the people from the USA.
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What you talking about? They cant scam investors. They have legal company. In USA very severe punishment for fraud.

You are probably right. They are throwing the book at fraud now and with this being a crypto company too. It would be suicide to commit fraud in a soon to be regulated industry. Patientory and Clarissa cannot be that amazingly stupid!
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What you talking about? They cant scam investors. They have legal company. In USA very severe punishment for fraud.
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I dont think that they want to scam us. They living In USA and all known them. If they will scam us, they will be in prison 100%

Exactly what I think but maybe they think that since many ceos get away with things today in the USA they can too. Difference is they made friends in the investment community - this one is making enemies.
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ARNA | TokenSale - December 15th
PTOY vision bring crypto to everyday human life in medical way is great. What was warning point for me is PR Manager Michael Rubin and Lead dev Jessie Brown left at same time this Project. Strange, if things are just starting to be great, 2 important persons left. Get FDA approval takes losts of time and even more money. PTOY as Project is not lost, but general trust to this Project is not as was before. We see, where this will go, but for now, looks like kind of risky investment to me.
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I dont think that they want to scam us. They living In USA and all known them. If they will scam us, they will be in prison 100%
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I was shocked too because I was fair to the company on Telegram but after the recent apology and then back to nothing again I started asking hard questions. Bipolar ceo for sure. Wants to come clean one day and back at lack of transparency the next. Even new hires from last week quitting. Clarissa looks like bad news to me.

I am working on stopping this current PTOY run up now.

So much peoples believe in this project, i hope the team can learn from their mistake before and try to more transparency to community/investors because it's necessary

I think this is good oportunity because i guess when hard fork finished, people will take profit from bitcoin by buying alt coin to expect more profit
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If you all like healthcare so much just join duality, chime contest ends in Nov.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annduality-blockchain-solutions-dynamicdyn-sequenceseq-harmoniqnoid-1902896
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I was shocked too because I was fair to the company on Telegram but after the recent apology and then back to nothing again I started asking hard questions. Bipolar ceo for sure. Wants to come clean one day and back at lack of transparency the next. Even new hires from last week quitting. Clarissa looks like bad news to me.

I am working on stopping this current PTOY run up now.

So much peoples believe in this project, i hope the team can learn from their mistake before and try to more transparency to community/investors because it's necessary
full member
Activity: 397
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I was shocked too because I was fair to the company on Telegram but after the recent apology and then back to nothing again I started asking hard questions. Bipolar ceo for sure. Wants to come clean one day and back at lack of transparency the next. Even new hires from last week quitting. Clarissa looks like bad news to me.

I am working on stopping this current PTOY run up now.
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Hello,

What it mean "secure digital identification" and "blockchain based ultra secure digital ID" on roadmap? How you do digital ID?
Here's a legitimate question, how does Patientory store big files that's in the gigabytes worth of MRI and CT images? Does Patientory need to link up with Siacoin or Storj to work together? I'm not familiar with decentralized storage. Blockchain is not very efficient when it comes to large files.

Patientory hasn't addressed this problem yet and if anyone who understands blockchain can explain it to me, that would be great.

Dev please answer question: how do you store big data on chain? this not possible. community must know if project not possible.

In white paper I see:

"The limitation of the blockchain to host private information may be overcome through data obfuscation, such as encryption, but in the event that the decryption key is ever leaked, there is no way to remove the sensitive data itself from the blockchain"

"we implement a mechanism for the persistent storage of sensitive information through the use a private implementation of an Ethereum based blockchain"

but then I see:

"The HIPAA compliant storage facility hosts the actual data"...what is HIPAA compliant storage facility and who owns the hardware? who pays for the data storage?

"Patients are given an allotted amount of space to store information for free on the Patientory network". how you give storage for free? what you mean store on the network?

So far I read white paper many times and I think it still no make sense.


Yes. You see I ask same question long time already and no answer. Here only talk about coin pump and make money but no talk about fundamental technical idea.
White paper made hard to read on purpose. If you try read it no make sense. Just big word to sound smart.

Anybody will answer technical question on project??
So far I only see CTO leaving project. Michael Rubin leaving project.
Project take ICO money to sponsor conferences...this not make project good. Anybody can sponsor conferences if they given money.
ANY development? Don't tell me app submitted to FDA. App not hard to make....show me proof that blockchain development happening or please answer question on technical solution. So far this sound like they cover up truth because CTO quit and there no development

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-brown-99a1322b/

Project confirm failed.. Chrissa lie because no dev on team and she need pretend she have progress. Now she hire very bad dev team and try to say apology because she think new dev will solve all problems. but no good dev ever join team. She have no idea what to do with project...now she hoping new dev figure out new plan for project. You will see...new roadmap = help me figure out project. I no idea what do next. Very obvious what she thinking now.
I was shocked after read post above. They have to resolve this problem or if not all investors will leave this project, and patientory can't competition with other similar project
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Hello,

What it mean "secure digital identification" and "blockchain based ultra secure digital ID" on roadmap? How you do digital ID?
Here's a legitimate question, how does Patientory store big files that's in the gigabytes worth of MRI and CT images? Does Patientory need to link up with Siacoin or Storj to work together? I'm not familiar with decentralized storage. Blockchain is not very efficient when it comes to large files.

Patientory hasn't addressed this problem yet and if anyone who understands blockchain can explain it to me, that would be great.

Dev please answer question: how do you store big data on chain? this not possible. community must know if project not possible.

In white paper I see:

"The limitation of the blockchain to host private information may be overcome through data obfuscation, such as encryption, but in the event that the decryption key is ever leaked, there is no way to remove the sensitive data itself from the blockchain"

"we implement a mechanism for the persistent storage of sensitive information through the use a private implementation of an Ethereum based blockchain"

but then I see:

"The HIPAA compliant storage facility hosts the actual data"...what is HIPAA compliant storage facility and who owns the hardware? who pays for the data storage?

"Patients are given an allotted amount of space to store information for free on the Patientory network". how you give storage for free? what you mean store on the network?

So far I read white paper many times and I think it still no make sense.


Yes. You see I ask same question long time already and no answer. Here only talk about coin pump and make money but no talk about fundamental technical idea.
White paper made hard to read on purpose. If you try read it no make sense. Just big word to sound smart.

Anybody will answer technical question on project??
So far I only see CTO leaving project. Michael Rubin leaving project.
Project take ICO money to sponsor conferences...this not make project good. Anybody can sponsor conferences if they given money.
ANY development? Don't tell me app submitted to FDA. App not hard to make....show me proof that blockchain development happening or please answer question on technical solution. So far this sound like they cover up truth because CTO quit and there no development

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jesse-brown-99a1322b/

Project confirm failed.. Chrissa lie because no dev on team and she need pretend she have progress. Now she hire very bad dev team and try to say apology because she think new dev will solve all problems. but no good dev ever join team. She have no idea what to do with project...now she hoping new dev figure out new plan for project. You will see...new roadmap = help me figure out project. I no idea what do next. Very obvious what she thinking now.
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