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I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.

Quark isn't likely to be forked any time soon but that doesn't mean the current situation is going to continue long term. If people want to move on that's fine, but having the dev of a different coin come under the guise of being a supporter to subtly suggest shifting allegiances over to their coin isn't exactly great.

Quark is not going away - if we need to adapt, we can and will. I look at Quark as an organization/community with a central coin, not at it as a central coin with a organization that just happens to be around it.

I never suggested that anyone shift allegiance over to BTQ. I am a longtime supporter of QRK.
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I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.

Quark isn't likely to be forked any time soon but that doesn't mean the current situation is going to continue long term. If people want to move on that's fine, but having the dev of a different coin come under the guise of being a supporter to subtly suggest shifting allegiances over to their coin isn't exactly great.

Quark is not going away - if we need to adapt, we can and will. I look at Quark as an organization/community with a central coin, not at it as a central coin with a organization that just happens to be around it.
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I still have QRK in storage, but when I got into QRK in late Nov-early December I bought in ($1,000 worth)at almost $0.25 USD each and now, well we know where it's at :-/

I feel you.

My plan is to always accumulate cryptos over time.
So I never buy a bunch of them in one day, but look that I can buy a few every week.

Therefor I was able to get a good average price since the price has been quite low in the last few months.

Yea thats about what I've been doing lately
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I still have QRK in storage, but when I got into QRK in late Nov-early December I bought in ($1,000 worth)at almost $0.25 USD each and now, well we know where it's at :-/

I feel you.

My plan is to always accumulate cryptos over time.
So I never buy a bunch of them in one day, but look that I can buy a few every week.

Therefor I was able to get a good average price since the price has been quite low in the last few months.
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I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.

+1

but don't say that you lost money with QRK unless you already realized your loss. (sold your QRK for cheap)
QRK can still rise if there are valuable servies and products offered.

I have 20k QRK lying around, and I plan to not sell them until QRK is over 1$.

I still have QRK in storage, but when I got into QRK in late Nov-early December I bought in ($1,000 worth)at almost $0.25 USD each and now, well we know where it's at :-/
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I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.

+1

but don't say that you lost money with QRK unless you already realized your loss. (sold your QRK for cheap)
QRK can still rise if there are valuable servies and products offered.

I have 20k QRK lying around, and I plan to not sell them until QRK is over 1$.
hero member
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I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.
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POW+POS is a good idea, maybe add anonymous in QRK is better

Changing a coin in such a fundamental way is totally wrong IMHO.

I understand forking to fix errors, but not this.
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POW+POS is a good idea, maybe add anonymous in QRK is better
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A 30 million block of qrk mined and handed to escrow. Released in little bits to pay for developments and service creation for qrk as voted for by the qrk community. There is no development pot currently like other coins have.  We just need to discuss the possible pro's and con's of this before deciding either way. Most so far do NOT seems to agree with it. However it has not really been analysed of seriously debated as yet.

The other optioin is some seriously good ROI projects.

I think that's a bad idea. In general I think development funds are a bad idea.

In the real economy you don't just create money upfront under the guise that you will then use the money to create "useful stuff for society".
That creates a lot of distrust and unneeded centralization, it's exactly like governments and banks act in this fiat money system that we have, and we do NOT want to have any similarity with them.

Why not do it like we all have to do in our daily lifes:

You have to FIRST create something, and THEN you can ask people to buy it, and give you money.

NOT the other way around.

If anyone wants to help QRK, the best thing he can do is to buy a few QRK upfront (investment), and then go ahead and create something usefull for QRK.
If this thing turns out to be really helpful for QRK, the following price increase will create the ROI (return on investment).

As simple as that.
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I think if the companion coin idea takes hold a QRK+POS coin would be worth looking at.  So far there has been only one attempt at a Quark algo + POS coin (that failed...Probe).  That is the kind of uniqueness and standing out from the crowd that Quark is all about.  And if we go the POS route we should look at Hobonickels (HBN) as a model both for stake reward and for the more old school longterm pow along with the pos, as opposed to the recent coins that have idiotic week long mining periods that scream pump and dump.  HBN has 100% interest/year and is a nice coin to hold, as such there tends to be little dumping and purchase demand remains solid as it is a coin that is satisfying to hoard like silver and gold.  Since purchase demand is stable the coins still maintains medium liquidity when you decide to sell some off.  HBN also has the best coin control features of any coin.  A coin like that with Quark as the pow algorithm would be awesome (most secure, asic resistant, low power GPU mining).

Thanks a lot for the feedback! Note that this is only a discussion to talk out options.

Personally I like the idea of POS. However - that particular option won't fly because of the finickyness of POS blockchains and the recent controversy re: the actual security offered by POS. From my conversations with our developers re: Quark itself, they expressed concerns over the nearly daily involvement by the development team with POS blockchains - they require a lot of babysitting.

I also struggle conceptually with the problem of potentially crowding Quark out of market segments if any new coin were to be too close in characteristics.
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I think if the companion coin idea takes hold a QRK+POS coin would be worth looking at.  So far there has been only one attempt at a Quark algo + POS coin (that failed...Probe).  That is the kind of uniqueness and standing out from the crowd that Quark is all about.  And if we go the POS route we should look at Hobonickels (HBN) as a model both for stake reward and for the more old school longterm pow along with the pos, as opposed to the recent coins that have idiotic week long mining periods that scream pump and dump.  HBN has 100% interest/year and is a nice coin to hold, as such there tends to be little dumping and purchase demand remains solid as it is a coin that is satisfying to hoard like silver and gold.  Since purchase demand is stable the coins still maintains medium liquidity when you decide to sell some off.  HBN also has the best coin control features of any coin.  A coin like that with Quark as the pow algorithm would be awesome (most secure, asic resistant, low power GPU mining).
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Thanks for joining this conversation. I am pleased to hear that you are open minded about discussion being opened here to the wider qrk community. Also a big thanks for all the work you have done for qrk and are still doing. Smiley

I still believe the super block is a great idea and would address a lot of the issues qrk has now. However, yes perhaps i'm wrong....let's build up a kind of list of pros and cons and weigh it in the balance.
LTC is a special case and if released today would not stand out at all. Doge again i see as a special case. It was the first big coin to the 3rd big wave of miners that came in for the dec super pump. It has been likened to the FTC of the 2nd wave. Also DOGE has very wealthy holders that are very involved with crypto and donate huge chunks to their projects. Right now doge and ltc have wide adoption and fame. QRK is very different in some very big ways i have mentioned, although is quite famous i think Smiley. QRK was made super popular by DI and bill. They reached out side of the crypto landscape and tapped into investors that have no association with crypto. This was great, but investors are not used to having to become so involved to make their investment work out:)

QRK is a special case. No other coin has most of it's investors sitting outside of the crypto community. If the super block does not happen. We then HAVE to push for ROI projects with Bill involved. The QRK core team is as good if not better than most other coins. The problem is they don't have the funds nor community support behind them. As a core brain storming some or even just one great project that will return nicely to investors is now vital. Once this is successful and people see these opportunities are ...... well ...great opportunities, then it will spiral.

The mining and security of the chain is but one issue. Even if that was solved i still see a great need for building a larger and more dedicated community around qrk at the core to push it up to the top 5 coins. Coins that i view are competing with qrk have

1. larger active communities
2. more whales and crypto wealthy involved and in tune with the crypto scene
3. more features and gadget that create hype sucking in more members to their communities bringing more BTC, ideas and energy.
4. full time devs funded by their premine or instamine.

the super block if handled correctly would really just start QRK as i now see it should have been started. With a large development pot that can not be dumped out at any time, but rather it release is dependent upon continued success and support.

I mean are there really only a handful of people reading this thread? There is thousands of wallets holding qrk?  where are these people and how to reach them and get them involved?

A new companion coin (side chain of qrk) that has a development pot held by escrow and can only be released by votes of those holding the coin could be another option. If the purists don't want features like anon pos etc etc.... then fine. Let's have a companion coin as suggested by a few others before. Create it with 360M - have 60M held by escrows to funds years of development. QRK investors will have to come to the board and claim them.... this will bring qrk investors to the board and get them involved.

Let's do something anyway, even discussion is great. Even debate and argument is better than the thread and community looking like it is dead even if it is not and the core is active.

PR is everything in crypto.

Those with nothing but negative remarks and scorn for the work others have done should be strongly discouraged. If someone does anything at all of their own accord for qrk it should be a positive thing. Ask yourself what you yourself have done for qrk before commenting on those that have tried and continue to try things.


I agree with most of your points - and I think the investors from outside the crypto community cause difficulty for exactly the reason you state - they simply don't participate because they are not used to having to engage with their investments.

I agree that a development fund would be great. I also completely agree that many other coins have developers that are funded by their instamines. This has produced a substantial disparity in the financial resources available to Quark vs other coins.

I agree that a partner coin could potentially work. I also agree that it could have different features and a different market segment target.
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In a few words, can you explain what this "superblock" is?

I haven't been following the quark threads in the last weeks, ...



A 30 million block of qrk mined and handed to escrow. Released in little bits to pay for developments and service creation for qrk as voted for by the qrk community. There is no development pot currently like other coins have.  We just need to discuss the possible pro's and con's of this before deciding either way. Most so far do NOT seems to agree with it. However it has not really been analysed of seriously debated as yet.

The other optioin is some seriously good ROI projects.
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In a few words, can you explain what this "superblock" is?

I haven't been following the quark threads in the last weeks, ...

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I am pro qrk but the community is not the most active or inventive. Aside from VIC i  see nobody doing anything much at all that has any hope of pushing qrk forward. I include myself in that bunch btw. We do nothing but expect qrk to soar to new highs whilst other communities are pulling together working their asses off on projects and services, not to mention new coin features or fads that many people want to see. Yet we are shocked qrk is sinking further daily. Come on let's stop dreaming. We need a full time team on the coin, the services for the coin, and later the marketing of those services and qrk with a store where qrk is the only crypto on sale.

Bit sad to read that, because I know many people who work their asses off. However, I agree: that´s not visible to all. There is a Trello board where Julie started to gather people who were obviously active and wanted to move things forward. Many things, including Shaq but also other and smaller promotional activities and giveaways have been bundled there. For instance, undercard and glongsword are currently working on a wallet that allows to control auto-mining and chatting. You also shouldn´t forget about the guys over at quarkuniverse.cc. I am currently working on two projects (a webpage and a game that uses quark as ingame currency), have been creating (unreleased) video promo material and did stuff like providing people with artwork if they needed it or just didn´t find it (even though everything is on qrk.cc). I also mailed a lot to people who I thought could help us to create innovative non-code-related products and of course had a lot of conversation with other active Quarkers how to push things forward. There is and was a lot of setbacks obviously and there will be for sure, but the point why I am writing this: big things start small, and the small parts are often overseen and underestimated (people prefer big pictures and hype). But then, things can be easy as well if people start DOING things instead of asking why they are not happening. The subreddit page looks shit? Then provide the admins with the right content so they just need to copy paste.

Anyway, it is obvious that the biggest problem is NOT the lack of gadgets (think: Litecoin, think Dogecoin) and it is neither the lack of merchants using Quark (think: early Bitcoin - merchants can in fact be a negative factor if they are not in the boat, because those will just sell off for fiat and drive the price down. Of course, merchant adoption is important but it can - and in my opinon should - happen slowly like it did for BTC). The main problem is the lack of trust and the lack of perspective where the hashrate is one important factor why people are skeptical. I personally believe that this can only be addressed by a sort of contract that is made between leadership and community because the community needs a perspective and the leadership also needs some sort of security that people back their work and the financial capability to do things. A lot of things would be possible if there was more backing.

In the end it´s a snake that bites in its tail. I agree that there need to be some sort of signal that keep people trusting and allow the community to create something on that platform.

P.S. Re: Superblock: I don´t think that this is the right way, because it´s basically money printing and it has been pointed out already that this would be sort of a contridiction in itself. However, I agree that this type of decision should be debated in relation to the individual holdings (not individual votes). In general I think it is rather interesting than harmful to discuss every idea to improve Quark even if it is as radical as implementing Quark as BTC sidechain. Why not?


Thanks for joining this conversation. I am pleased to hear that you are open minded about discussion being opened here to the wider qrk community. Also a big thanks for all the work you have done for qrk and are still doing. Smiley

I still believe the super block is a great idea and would address a lot of the issues qrk has now. However, yes perhaps i'm wrong....let's build up a kind of list of pros and cons and weigh it in the balance.
LTC is a special case and if released today would not stand out at all. Doge again i see as a special case. It was the first big coin to the 3rd big wave of miners that came in for the dec super pump. It has been likened to the FTC of the 2nd wave. Also DOGE has very wealthy holders that are very involved with crypto and donate huge chunks to their projects. Right now doge and ltc have wide adoption and fame. QRK is very different in some very big ways i have mentioned, although is quite famous i think Smiley. QRK was made super popular by DI and bill. They reached out side of the crypto landscape and tapped into investors that have no association with crypto. This was great, but investors are not used to having to become so involved to make their investment work out:)

QRK is a special case. No other coin has most of it's investors sitting outside of the crypto community. If the super block does not happen. We then HAVE to push for ROI projects with Bill involved. The QRK core team is as good if not better than most other coins. The problem is they don't have the funds nor community support behind them. As a core brain storming some or even just one great project that will return nicely to investors is now vital. Once this is successful and people see these opportunities are ...... well ...great opportunities, then it will spiral.

The mining and security of the chain is but one issue. Even if that was solved i still see a great need for building a larger and more dedicated community around qrk at the core to push it up to the top 5 coins. Coins that i view are competing with qrk have


1. larger active communities
2. more whales and crypto wealthy involved and in tune with the crypto scene
3. more features and gadget that create hype sucking in more members to their communities bringing more BTC, ideas and energy.
4. full time devs funded by their premine or instamine.


the super block if handled correctly would really just start QRK as i now see it should have been started. With a large development pot that can not be dumped out at any time, but rather it release is dependent upon continued success and support.

I mean are there really only a handful of people reading this thread? There is thousands of wallets holding qrk?  where are these people and how to reach them and get them involved?

A new companion coin (side chain of qrk) that has a development pot held by escrow and can only be released by votes of those holding the coin could be another option. If the purists don't want features like anon pos etc etc.... then fine. Let's have a companion coin as suggested by a few others before. Create it with 360M - have 60M held by escrows to funds years of development. QRK investors will have to come to the board and claim them.... this will bring qrk investors to the board and get them involved.


Let's do something anyway, even discussion is great. Even debate and argument is better than the thread and community looking like it is dead even if it is not and the core is active.

PR is everything in crypto.

Those with nothing but negative remarks and scorn for the work others have done should be strongly discouraged. If someone does anything at all of their own accord for qrk it should be a positive thing. Ask yourself what you yourself have done for qrk before commenting on those that have tried and continue to try things.




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@ kitaco aka Canon, aka kaihau, aka pillow_made_of_tacos i seen your latest post, it was a pure FUD comment. You made a new account AGAIN just to post this nonsense and you are lying about Shaq Fu also. I even showed you a screen shot with PROOF (see picture) on what the shaq fu developers said and yet you were spreading bs.

The admin did the right thing!!

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Once again I've been silenced and my posts with a calm alternative view have been removed from /r/Quarkcoin.

http://www.reddit.com/user/pillow_made_of_tacos (make sure to read the parent of each comment!)

Anyone looking to get into this coin. Look at the people running it. "Libertarians" but are controlling free speech. Lol.

It just shows how weak this community is. It shows that they cannot take criticism, they cannot take alternate point of views or alternate opinions. This should be the biggest red flag for anyone getting into this coin at this time, or anyone still holding.

Weak, I say.

"Calm alternative view" is a bit of a stretch when you're flagrantly attacking the coin, its community and calling it stagnant while blatantly misrepresenting information to suit your own devices to a new person on the forum. As the rest of my replies stated. Your crusade is really weird - you literally have been going at it non stop for months.

It is much more weird to be active in Quark in a hopeful way for months with a graph that looks like this http://coinmarketcap.com/qrk_180.html

Like I said, you guys must be masochists.

There is no misrepresentation of information on my part. You are twisting my words.

I am not twisting your words. Only one example - you made it seem as though the ShaqFu game we're to be included in is the same as the one from the 90s. It is not - it is a modern sequel with a terrific development team behind it.

I and others work hard for each other and for the community, not just our own self interest.

So you were twisting my words. Shaq Fu was originally called an abomination by EA in the 90's, and is still considered to this day to be one of the worst games in history. I even talked about DLC (which they didn't have in 1995) in my original post. I don't know how you could be stupid enough to combine that with Quark being released again on a SNES cartridge with Quark support?

Actually you didn't use the word originally and you didn't mention DLC at all in your post. You're just relying on the fact that it was deleted to publicly revise it.
this  has distinguishing feature,I am ery interested in, nice future for sure.
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Once again I've been silenced and my posts with a calm alternative view have been removed from /r/Quarkcoin.

http://www.reddit.com/user/pillow_made_of_tacos (make sure to read the parent of each comment!)

Anyone looking to get into this coin. Look at the people running it. "Libertarians" but are controlling free speech. Lol.

It just shows how weak this community is. It shows that they cannot take criticism, they cannot take alternate point of views or alternate opinions. This should be the biggest red flag for anyone getting into this coin at this time, or anyone still holding.

Weak, I say.

"Calm alternative view" is a bit of a stretch when you're flagrantly attacking the coin, its community and calling it stagnant while blatantly misrepresenting information to suit your own devices to a new person on the forum. As the rest of my replies stated. Your crusade is really weird - you literally have been going at it non stop for months.

It is much more weird to be active in Quark in a hopeful way for months with a graph that looks like this http://coinmarketcap.com/qrk_180.html

Like I said, you guys must be masochists.

There is no misrepresentation of information on my part. You are twisting my words.

I am not twisting your words. Only one example - you made it seem as though the ShaqFu game we're to be included in is the same as the one from the 90s. It is not - it is a modern sequel with a terrific development team behind it.

I and others work hard for each other and for the community, not just our own self interest.

So you were twisting my words. Shaq Fu was originally called an abomination by EA in the 90's, and is still considered to this day to be one of the worst games in history. I even talked about DLC (which they didn't have in 1995) in my original post. I don't know how you could be stupid enough to combine that with Quark being released again on a SNES cartridge with Quark support?

Actually you didn't use the word originally and you didn't mention DLC at all in your post. You're just relying on the fact that it was deleted to publicly revise it.
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Once again I've been silenced and my posts with a calm alternative view have been removed from /r/Quarkcoin.

http://www.reddit.com/user/pillow_made_of_tacos (make sure to read the parent of each comment!)

Anyone looking to get into this coin. Look at the people running it. "Libertarians" but are controlling free speech. Lol.

It just shows how weak this community is. It shows that they cannot take criticism, they cannot take alternate point of views or alternate opinions. This should be the biggest red flag for anyone getting into this coin at this time, or anyone still holding.

Weak, I say.

"Calm alternative view" is a bit of a stretch when you're flagrantly attacking the coin, its community and calling it stagnant while blatantly misrepresenting information to suit your own devices to a new person on the forum. As the rest of my replies stated. Your crusade is really weird - you literally have been going at it non stop for months.

It is much more weird to be active in Quark in a hopeful way for months with a graph that looks like this http://coinmarketcap.com/qrk_180.html

Like I said, you guys must be masochists.

There is no misrepresentation of information on my part. You are twisting my words.

I am not twisting your words. Only one example - you made it seem as though the ShaqFu game we're to be included in is the same as the one from the 90s. It is not - it is a modern sequel with a terrific development team behind it.

I and others work hard for each other and for the community, not just our own self interest.

So you were twisting my words. Shaq Fu was originally called an abomination by EA in the 90's, and is still considered to this day to be one of the worst games in history. I even talked about DLC (which they didn't have in 1995) in my original post. I don't know how you could be stupid enough to combine that with Quark being released again on a SNES cartridge with Quark support?
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