Topic: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade - page 140. (Read 1031025 times)

great to see new people - in its correct place i think "Quark" is a great name - "quarkcoin" defeats the purpose and make it sound backwards - its not a "coin" and has had nothing to do with "coin" that's why i'm intending on changing the Reddit also - but maybe we can do that later.

i'm sure people will keep calling it that but that's fine as well, as it will just push the meme .

just a word on this - i hope you newer people realize that this is something special and unique, you guys are here in at the start, the "crypto community"  is broadly split into a handful of coders and scammers, (excluding Banking agencies) (which don't really count) us in this community make crypto what it is, you are officially a part of larger structure and we will help to a degree change the world.

that's worth something, its easy to be a sleazy scammer or a Bank Agent all you have to do is interview well and pass a few psychology tests, its much harder to learn a new system and contribute to society.

harder again is educating new people, but as mention before time and many other vectors are on our side.

Hi all, first of all I'm new here. I have been following this thread closely ever since I got into quark but never register until this weekend. I think quark is fine the way it is. Except for the name, I think overall in terms of security and speed, it doesn't need overhaul. Speed is obviously the strong point. Based on this fundamental,  I decide to increase my holding to few hundreds. Not much but I have plans to increase size of my holding further. Never mind about the price as I hold quark not be because of speculative reason or driven by the obsession to become rich one day but I hold on to it because it has future and the unique coding is nevertheless the main reason. Hope to see it become an important medium of exchange one day

No, not any time soon is there going to be a fork. We've discussed a number of things with our developers and although there was some thought of converting to POS, that has been scrapped for the time being, as current POS implementation requires nearly daily involvement by developers.

ATM Quark has some flaws and needs to be solved, it's POW but what's the point of having POW when it's not so mineable with only 1 qrk per block? Isn't mining made for securing the network? Shouldn't miners have to have a certain incentive to mine? I will tell you the reason why quark went down in price and it's the only reason: Because the block halving was done way too fast, it was a big fuck you to miners and Bitcoins model, i promise you if the halving would have been for years then Quark would be top 3 coin easily by now, maybe even top 2. These things should be solved first.

And i believe that you are not so open for adding new innovations to Quark. The Cryptonote whitepaper was linked here but nobody really cared, because the coders like max don't have any incentive to work for. Thats why Cryptohunter suggested to pay these guys to work for it, but a superblock could drive the prices down and i don't see how a companion coin would benefit Quark itsself.

I agree with a lot of what you say and i can say we have solutions in focus, just deciding on details, one thing i do want to address.

I am all about change and innovation, but we have to put it in context, Quark is a building block (even the name suggest it) the Brick has been the same for 1000's of years even if that Brick is 3d printed its still a brick you see?

so we can do "things" with the building blocks, we have the freedom, we always have , we just haven't been able to fully realize it.

some "features" have merit, but a lot of things derive from misunderstanding and lack of education , it really takes a lot of energy to fully understand this market.

this is why i have always focused on education, because when you are the one that has fundamentals on your side and you are not the scam , the job is simple, the opponents have to spend a lot of energy distracting or confusing people all we have to do is point them in the right direction, and fortunately people actually want to learn.

so i think we have a solution that can do a lot of what you are kind of pointing at and will be a great middle ground, we just have to work out means and details.

But trying to fight Bitcoins model is a losing battle, as you have seen what it did. If you want to do that then rapid block halving is not the way to do it, because it has more cons than pros. One thing i have learned from the guy with 26 years trading experience and currently s&p trader is that you have to follow the masses. If Quarks block halving would have been similar to Bitcoins it would have been top 3 coin. Monopoly will be always there even now with quark. Cryptonote was an example, i mean quark should be more eager for new promising techs

Can someone give me an update?

Is a fork planned in the future? Or is this just a rumour.

Why the need for a fork? Forks are a bad idea, unless there is a grave error in the coin.

to a degree it was "a big fuck you to miners" - however it was a  big "Fuck you" to monopoly ownership also, if in the right context - the long distro model based on halving in 4 years lends its self to monopoly every time, show me where it hasn't ?

so you see, there are always + and -  what a smart navigator has to do is find out which one is the better in the longer to medium term.

i have looked at cryptonote , whats it bring to crypto ?  what will it bring to Quark ? ring signatures?

I really don't finds that very urgent, maybe when the NSA brownshirts are literally hacking our systems(well) and breaking down our doors?

in fact the public of crypto is 50/50 on Anon - with lots of people seeing it as just another scam that will impede integration, i'm not that far in opinion , but i do find concerning the fact that any attacker can completely hide their tracks.  
  

ATM Quark has some flaws and needs to be solved, it's POW but what's the point of having POW when it's not so mineable with only 1 qrk per block? Isn't mining made for securing the network? Shouldn't miners have to have a certain incentive to mine? I will tell you the reason why quark went down in price and it's the only reason: Because the block halving was done way too fast, it was a big fuck you to miners and Bitcoins model, i promise you if the halving would have been for years then Quark would be top 3 coin easily by now, maybe even top 2. These things should be solved first.

And i believe that you are not so open for adding new innovations to Quark. The Cryptonote whitepaper was linked here but nobody really cared, because the coders like max don't have any incentive to work for. Thats why Cryptohunter suggested to pay these guys to work for it, but a superblock could drive the prices down and i don't see how a companion coin would benefit Quark itsself.

Hi DI, If you, Vic and some other core members had a decent sized development pot I know you guys could do a lot for qrk. The super block is merely a time machine opportunity to provide qrk the funds it requires to compete with other well funded coins, the funds it should have had from the start. You guys can not work for nothing and why should people work to make others wealthy? ROI projects are the future, but we have to work towards that. I think a companion coin to qrk totally transparent with a development pot, run by core people here that have proven they have the talent and drive to get things done would be great. WC are looking at doing something similar but with an ipo you can only buy in with WC. QRK is one of my fav coins, and i think it has some the best people at the core, who really do think "bigger" than those in other crypto communities, they lack funding and time. You simply can't have these people held back like this and hoping they will be able to compete against people with huge resources.  If we had the ear of the investors and could provide them with great opportunities to get passive incomes from some outstanding services. They would love it.


It would just take somebody with influence like you or VIC to say okay wer're going to do this. Create an ANN, you would see a huge new wave of interest for qrk. This 3rd wave the biggest wave yet all missed out on mining qrk. This low price actually gives them a second chance at getting involved. I like a companion coin idea. If people want to see qrk remain pure with no changes to the coin....but many want full POS, ANON,  SMS, etc etc. The companion coin will give them all of that.

I was once part of an industry where many rejected change, said these changes were hype, fads, gimmicks, i too rejected these new changes. It was a BIG mistake. The old guard are there still, however their market share is about 1000th of what it could have been if they had jumped on the hype trains that took new players to super riches. Some of the largest players before are now tiny, although it was unthinkable they would ever be anything other than giants in the industry. This happened in a matter of a few years.

It is now or never for qrk. QRK will never die, but if you want to see it top 5 market cap. We need the outside investors more involved again and a core with some funds to work with or it will be a very slow progress from here.

Let's do it. The ipo companion coin way WC are considering getting some development funds together is quite interesting, may be more so that a sidechain or super block.

If we could just get everyone to donate to a huge pot so you guys could quit your jobs and work full time with qrk that would be great. However we know that is not going to happen.

 If it fails it fails? ?I am 100% sure no other real qrk investors take that attitude. We need serious discussion based on real pros and cons. I have yet to hear any real negative for the super block or any real alternative. If it fails it fails is not an alternative for people holding qrk.  



People come into failing companies every day and turn them around. You don't say to investors you knew we ran our business like this, it's an outdated model that looked good once, so we will stick with it and if it dies it dies? we don't want to change anything. We're dying but you signed up for it like this so we won't change it?? can't see that kind of announcement bringing new interest and investment to qrk.

Please let's be sensible.


1. the goal is for qrk NOT to fail. This is obviously the first thing we all naturally agree on. If you are not bothered if qrk fails then there is no need for you to be here, get back to bitquark.


Let's work through this logically as possible.

1. we want developments, and services
2. you need developers and project managers, coders, marketing
3. developers/project managers need incentive - either big investments and holdings of QRk - now or as payment after they created or payment in some other form.
4. Most of the qrk whales are not devlopers/project managers for qrk. They simply bought QRK waiting magically for it to go 100x in value ... a lot have forgotten they own a few hundred bucks of it.


So this is where we are. We want things done with no money to pay for it right? Those holding the qrk will not develop, market, create projects.... nor will they give their qrk away. There are no new blood miners coming in either.

What are the options,

1. we ask the qrk whales to donate  = not going to happen
2. we all donate a small amount of qrk and build a development pot= not going to happen because everyone looks at everyone else to do it and does not want to be the only fools giving money away when they will get no more benefit from it than those that don't donate.

3. we all agree that we give 10% of holdings and every single person has a guarantee that any rewards gained will be proportional to what he gave. This is what the super block would do.


A companion coin is probably the key here. It should be created with 330M coins, you can claim them 1 for 1 with qrk. However not only must you have the qrk in your wallet you must be active here and the coins are released to you gradually over time for staying active. This would bring the qrk whales into this board and get them active. This is when we need to have ROI projects ready for their eyes to read about.

If we don't change anything, this is long long road with no fuel in the car. We are up against coins that have devs with pockets loaded full of the coins they are developing for..... let's get serious now ...

We want developments and projects - how are we going to get them.... super block, companion anon coin that actually has some funding for the development and service creation, roi projects?

I hope we can soon start to create a real list of postives and negatives to these new ideas and get a vote going.

Perhaps the new chain should have a voting facility built into the block chain as i have heard some other coins have.

QE is to mostly service debt? We have no debt. Yes it can seem similar but actually it is not the same thing at all.

It is better to think of the superblock as a time machine. The devs instead of premining or instamining a development fund are doing it now. It's actually even fairer because the riches qrk holders will contribute more by dilution of their share but will be rewarded accordingly. This is not like QE really i don't think.

We need to dig much deeper and show the negatives and positives the super block would have. I am sure i can come up with a lot more positive points that people can find negative points. Also we need an alternative if we don't go with that.

Yes i do prefer the companion coin idea more. It would bring back those outside of the community holding qrk if they want to claim their companion coins and get them involved.

However as you see, even discussing such radical changes..... thousands of people holding qrk and yet a handful of people even view the thread. They are sitting there waiting for their qrks to magically become worth 100x more.

Companion coin where you need to be active within the community over time as well as owning quark  is the answer. ROI projects should follow directly whilst we have people active.

You're not going to get devs and project managers working their asses of to make a bunch of investors who do nothing rich. Just won't work like that. If the investors want to get rich they need to become involved or put their qrks to ROI projects.

I agree with Georgem. QRK was based on a fast distribution idea of 6 months and that's what people signed on for. If it fails, then it fails...If it succeeds then it succeeds. QRK was a test and IMHO I wouldn't change anything. If people aren't satisfied with the current situation then they should move on to something else...point is buyers of QRK knew what they were getting into and if they didn't, then they didn't do their research. I lost lots of money with QRK but that's all water under the bridge now and I've moved on.

Thanks for joining this conversation. I am pleased to hear that you are open minded about discussion being opened here to the wider qrk community. Also a big thanks for all the work you have done for qrk and are still doing.

I still believe the super block is a great idea and would address a lot of the issues qrk has now. However, yes perhaps i'm wrong....let's build up a kind of list of pros and cons and weigh it in the balance.
LTC is a special case and if released today would not stand out at all. Doge again i see as a special case. It was the first big coin to the 3rd big wave of miners that came in for the dec super pump. It has been likened to the FTC of the 2nd wave. Also DOGE has very wealthy holders that are very involved with crypto and donate huge chunks to their projects. Right now doge and ltc have wide adoption and fame. QRK is very different in some very big ways i have mentioned, although is quite famous i think . QRK was made super popular by DI and bill. They reached out side of the crypto landscape and tapped into investors that have no association with crypto. This was great, but investors are not used to having to become so involved to make their investment work out:)

QRK is a special case. No other coin has most of it's investors sitting outside of the crypto community. If the super block does not happen. We then HAVE to push for ROI projects with Bill involved. The QRK core team is as good if not better than most other coins. The problem is they don't have the funds nor community support behind them. As a core brain storming some or even just one great project that will return nicely to investors is now vital. Once this is successful and people see these opportunities are ...... well ...great opportunities, then it will spiral.

The mining and security of the chain is but one issue. Even if that was solved i still see a great need for building a larger and more dedicated community around qrk at the core to push it up to the top 5 coins. Coins that i view are competing with qrk have

1. larger active communities
2. more whales and crypto wealthy involved and in tune with the crypto scene
3. more features and gadget that create hype sucking in more members to their communities bringing more BTC, ideas and energy.
4. full time devs funded by their premine or instamine.

the super block if handled correctly would really just start QRK as i now see it should have been started. With a large development pot that can not be dumped out at any time, but rather it release is dependent upon continued success and support.

I mean are there really only a handful of people reading this thread? There is thousands of wallets holding qrk?  where are these people and how to reach them and get them involved?

A new companion coin (side chain of qrk) that has a development pot held by escrow and can only be released by votes of those holding the coin could be another option. If the purists don't want features like anon pos etc etc.... then fine. Let's have a companion coin as suggested by a few others before. Create it with 360M - have 60M held by escrows to funds years of development. QRK investors will have to come to the board and claim them.... this will bring qrk investors to the board and get them involved.

Let's do something anyway, even discussion is great. Even debate and argument is better than the thread and community looking like it is dead even if it is not and the core is active.

PR is everything in crypto.

Those with nothing but negative remarks and scorn for the work others have done should be strongly discouraged. If someone does anything at all of their own accord for qrk it should be a positive thing. Ask yourself what you yourself have done for qrk before commenting on those that have tried and continue to try things.

This post is from quarkfx, what do you guys think? Quark can use some technological updates, i would donate couple k quarks for this if it makes quark better.

People on the bitcoin IRC treat this as some really valuable developments, maybe we can implement some of its ideas?

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf