Topic: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade - page 23. (Read 1031025 times)

How much would be the minimum to get started again? Any order of magnitude?

See my other response - totally agree that community building requires some incentive to become involved, and something productive to do with the coins rather than have their value exit the system. I am all for masternode POS, dev funding, etc.

The old foundation really didn't have many/any coins to dump, at least the one I was a part of. We all entered at around the historic high - which meant that we were all self financing the development work as there was no development funding aside from some donated to the foundation, the value of which shrank quickly. This scenario wasn't tenable which is why I am completely on board with a shift to a self financing model for the coin as part of the necessary rebuild.

Re: Blocknet - sounds like a good idea. Why don't you reach out and see if they're interested?

My first couple posts may have seemed a little esoteric/purist, but I am definitely a pragmatist.

I totally agree on the issue of block tax, etc to fund development and for individuals to earn profits from masternodes, etc. I also agree on the POW issues and the lack of funding for the miners - the network hashrate fell along with the block rewards decreasing, as would be expected - which meant that the network security was put at risk. I agree that everyone acts in self interest and I strongly believe that in order to make a viable system you need ways in which you can self fund, encourage development and encourage re-investment into the coin and community. If the only way in which you can spend your coins is to purchase items/services externally, and there is no incentive to reinvest money into the ecosystem, then there is a constant draw of money out of the coin, which then results in collapse. This notably creates a scenario where the only way to realize return on an investment is to encourage/find additional buyers at a higher price point.

I agree that a lot of work needs to be done, and innovation is the way forward - I think my point was more that establishing a guiding central governance body this early might stifle people from getting involved. I'm all for people taking leadership roles and taking the bull by the horns to get things moving forward.

the main issue right now is that there is no community left this thread was dead for nearly 2 years and right now there is perhaps 5 people checking in.

If max officially announces an upgrade to a version of masternode POS with a governance system and dev funding you would see quark price rocket and then the community would start to build.

I only hope the right people find out first and make sure they have the motivation to help with the project.

I know a lot of the old foundation dumped and left would be good for them to reenter now and get some incentives to help rebuild.

Primarily we need a team who works under max that is funded by the dev tax.

Getting on blocknet now would also be a good jump start and free marketing.

I like the enthusiasm, but lets maybe let things grow organically here and work together to slowly grow things and rebuild.

Edit: Part of the reason I say this, is I really believe that Quark was best when the whole community was engaged and active, and productive. Towards the end, the Foundation and Quark Universe were active, however they were doing a huge amount of work behind the scenes, but the rest of the community waited to see what they would do rather than being actively engaged. I think having one leadership group creates a sense that individuals can't possibly achieve what the groups can achieve and creates a bit of divide. I think to work, an active community needs to grow.

 Can we please post the new wallet updates on https://quarktalk.cc/  A lot of new Quarkers go to this website to get information. But unfortunately it hasn't been updated. This is a valuable resource that we should take advantage of and get the word out about the new wallet.

Agree - they both worked tirelessly and selflessly for Quark, and their contributions were very appreciated.

I wonder if quarkFX is still around and coinmama

these guys were awesome. I hope they hop back on this train now there is a low point of entry.

I haven't talked to any of them for quite some time, unfortunately. I've been gone from this space aside from a little bit of trading for some time so would have to defer the blocknet question to Max.

Indeed great to see some old qrk faces coming back. Anyone still have links to any of the other old qrk foundation members?

First thing we could do at once is go for blocknet addition. We are suitable now are we not ? not all coins can be added there as simply as qrk can.

I think it will get more difficult to get added there as time goes on and the effect of being added will not be so great after a time.

Max could you express interest to them in getting added?

Max, it is very nice to see you back here after all this time. I am definitely happy to see these ideas being seriously considered as concrete next steps for the coin - it at one time had a very rich ecosystem surrounding it, and it would be nice to see that again. I very much look forward to discussing further on next steps and look forward to the necessary changes being implemented. I agree wholeheartedly now, as I did then, that blockchain security is the primary consideration, but would definitely agree with the above commentators that many further additions, such as master nodes, etc should be under serious consideration to be implemented to modernize the coin.

Thanks for all the input and offers of support.

Many ideas have been floated here, most of them good. We will have to prioritize what is most important for Quark at this stage.

My feeling is that some kind of POS/POW hybrid would improve the security of the network and should be the first priority.

I would like to focus my time on investigation the technical issues with the different POS implementations before going ahead.

I also support some other ideas bought up here like on-chain governance and master nodes, but this could be next steps.

There are many ways to contribute so please post your ideas here or in slack.

Following Quark since day 1.
Happy to contribute to it anyhow!

Quark to me is the name of the coin not the algo. I mean others have said they are using quark algo but I i think it is the name of the coin.

I love the name quark. Many projects take a totally new direction like MUE and retain their name.

When i say they are dead i really mean compared to their former selves they are reduced to dust.

Any of those can make a come back but people want to see a project that is alive and kicking. Sure adopting segwit is good proves they are doing something to stay current.

Some other communities I am part of think of anon and masternodes as fads but these are fads people want. Later if they want something else we give them something else. We follow success that is the way. Keep volume , keep price take a 10 % cut for development and keep moving forward.

When we reach a top 5 market cap  then we can have the luxury of not having to play the latest fad game until it is proven to be technologically advantageous.

I see WDC resisting change in their thread. Another giant reduced to dust whilst those new projects jumping on fads are having 10x the volume and price.

PIVx has retained what they call the quark algo so we could run with that with a few twists.

SegWit activation is bringing big price appreciation to the coins implementing it.

Here's a good thread with the coins in question: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptocurrencies-with-segwit-and-ln-style-off-chain-payment-solutions-1777136

Then you can check out their price action on Poloniex or Bittrex or both.

Handsome returns for something that looks to be revolutionary without basing itself on Ethereum like hackable code.

And Quark would stay Quark - one of the safest algos in existence.

Just saying.

PoS? So what would you name it then? It certainly can't continue to be Quark if it isn't Quark, can it?



The master-node bandwagon may not have very good horses either. For the moment though, it's getting a big bang for those "taking advantage". Here's another one - they're called Uber-Nodes here.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bata-bta-old-thread-now-httpsbitcointalkorgindexphptopic-22978950-1040956
Edit: Here's another one I forgot about that'll cost only half of BATA. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18456746


Wouldn't it be easier to just start from scratch? That's essentially what you're talking about.


BTW, DGB is far from dead. They're currently working on SegWit activation in fact.   (And MEC is still listed on btc38 . . .)

A reminder for everyone to upgrade to Quark 0.10.

Looking at network statistics on cryptoid, there are very few upgraded nodes.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/qrk/#!network

/Satoshi:0.9.2.7/   70002   20   55.6 %   55.6 %
/Satoshi:0.9.2.6/   70002   7   19.4 %   75.0 %
/Satoshi:0.9.2.4/   70002   3   8.3 %   83.3 %
/Satoshi:0.9.2.5/   70002   2   5.6 %   94.4 %
/Satoshi:0.9.2.1/   70002   1   2.8 %   100.0 %
/Satoshi:0.10.4.1/70003   2   5.6 %   88.9 %
/Satoshi:0.10.4.2/70003   1   2.8 %   97.2 %

Future changes to Quark will require the majority of the network to upgrade, so please help spread the word.

qrk, cbx, wdc, dgb, mec

all the first wave super alts of 2013 are dead

I am totally up for throwing the baby out with the bath water. This coin and all those others are a prime example of total not moving with the times in and industry where moving constantly is key to success.

In 2014 if we have did what i said and move to POS with a built in dev fund and kept the foundation and development team funded you can be sure qrk would not have sunk to this dead level it is at now.

The only good thing qrk had going for it was the novel at the time algo.

It has nothing going for it now except the once famous name. Everything else about it needs a radical overhaul. So radical only a coin swap will take care of it.

Caution has no place in this industry right now except for those that have such luxury like perhaps the top 3 or 4 coins.

There is no point at all qrk just being coin 1001 on cmc going nowhere and getting more and more a distant memory. The only hope is of a collectors coin in perhaps 25 -100 yrs time.

Coin swap and burn to a PIVx type codebase is the way to go. Give it more than 3 months and that will not be worth doing either because every coinn and his dog is now switching to masternodes and POS.

The only hope is to action it now since we do have a developer with some kind of coding skill as opposed to those other coins that are renting journeyman type devs who will not stick to that project.

quark has a few advantages over a lot of these new ones trying to jump on the dash pivx train

1. famous name
2. good distribution
3. a dev that can code and update
4. a good exchange that many dont have btc38  (although we are not on bittrex or polo)
5. many investors outside of this board that are long term investors i suspect many want good returns so they will hold perhaps until 100k sats
6. therefore easy to restore a reasonable cap
7. I suspect some powerful whales. There were 1 million qrk buys at 15000 20000 sats price. I wonder where they are and who is holding them


Plan of action...

1. official announcement we are moving to this updated system - think PIVx but with our own improvements tagged on too.

I would think - tiered POS levels up to that of the level of becoming a masternode depending on coins held and duration of coins held. Also even masternodes could be tiered and get more for uptime and duration of masternode. I'm sure it would not be hard to think of other improvements too.

We need the funding and governance features.

MUE just announced going masternode and their price went from 80 sats to 5000 - that is just ANNOUNCED IT that was just the effect of announcing it not implementing it.

MUE is not quark.

We need a full time dev team. Quark is reduced to this level because of lack of development and community. Where there is no development you will find zero community and interest.

Devs even those with great tech abilities are often the worst at marketing and gaining traction for their creations.

This thread is dead. There are 3 people discussing the future of qrk.

We need a new thread. We need a new coinbase. We need a new dev team and foundation and funding. This dev has skill and can over see all of this but he is hardly ever here and I suspect owns little qrk so has little motivation and incentive. Probably has a great job and isn't going to give that up anytime soon to go full time on qrk.

We need bounties for devs that have done this before on other coins and can just replicate their work on QRK.

Inaction or caution is the death of coins. I'd rather qrk goes to 0 sats and I close my book on it and move to projects that are moving ahead than sit here twiddling thumbs discussing forever the same things I was discussing 3 yrs ago.

Do or die for qrk now. Time is running out.

Sorry, but I'm not talking about what Quark was. It's not about what it was, and even less so what those of us who were around in 2013 remember it to be. Quark is no longer famous like it was. It's a fading memory for those who remember it.

It's about what Quark is NOW. Obviously the CPU optimized angle no longer works as a marketing strategy. The "all new algo" needs revamping into something like "one of the most secure", for example. What else does it have that can be leveraged into a PR slogan? Still a widely distributed p2p? I think so.

What do you guys have to say about Quark's current positive points? (Reading your posts one gets the idea that you want to throw everything out with the bath water.)

They are full POS now I think that is better that way.

Their main advantage is one thing they have a team of dedicated developers. Max if he created this coin has some skills of course but I guess he has a well paid job and not enough qrk to make it viable going full time qrk dev.

We must create a developer fund and bounties and let max manage the development rather than coding it all out himself.

Quark is a famous coin it can come back very easily. As i say most of those that came in with bill will sit outside waiting for profits above 20-30 k sats. These qrk are out of the marketplace until those levels so a price rise to that area will not be difficult with a development team, some direction and even better if we can bring the old foundation members back who had great insight and innovation.

The shaq game was the largest waste of resources we ever did. I mean did that crap every produce anything? for all the money that went into that.

Terrible.

This time we will have a new governance system with voting.#

The thing that pleases me most is to see max is open to this but simply does not have the time to do it all himself right now. We need to assure him if he can simply get the funding tax set up we can get other coders in to help for bounties.

Look a MUE this coin was nothing until they suggested a dash like route and it blew up. I mean it is not even implemented it is just a plan.

We need max to produce the plan and then volume will come and price will come this will fund the development he does not have to do alone.

Max come back and produce a plan on thread please. Even this spoken from you directly would put a much needed boost to the volume /price/ interest.

I respect the work you put in lately and keeping QRK updated.

Please lay out in public a plan to give a radical overhaul for qrk. I know some good devs that will assist you for bounties. This is how PIVx got it all done. One person can not code all that is needed to be a leading coin these days.