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November 20, 2013, 07:52:38 AM
I dont see inflation as a problem. Even though,  there is a cap in Bitcoin , there is still inflation in BTC atm about 10 % pa. The problem is ,  I think ,  not having enough interest . You can only use this currency in (limited) exchanges.(I dont take into account small shops)

Exchanges that deal with quark should be increased and also there should be a direct way to convert it to fiat.

These are first steps , I think , there are lot to say but is meaningless unless above steps handled.

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November 20, 2013, 07:03:16 AM
so weather that be an end point and just transactions after 3 years or after the reward goes to zero - its really not the big concern the point is it does not keep inflating forever.  

I can see that people could be put off by inflation, even one as small as 0.5% pa.

My current thinking is to change the minimum reward to Max(X, TransactionFees) for say 3 - 6 years, with X getting smaller over the period until it reaches 0.


so this implies - a reward (x) + trans fees .

and then in over say 3 or 6 years - the (X) reward declines to 0 and its just Trans fees?

if so , perfect .

yes, in essence.
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November 20, 2013, 06:55:58 AM
so weather that be an end point and just transactions after 3 years or after the reward goes to zero - its really not the big concern the point is it does not keep inflating forever.  

I can see that people could be put off by inflation, even one as small as 0.5% pa.

My current thinking is to change the minimum reward to Max(X, TransactionFees) for say 3 - 6 years, with X getting smaller over the period until it reaches 0.


so this implies - a reward (x) + trans fees .

and then in over say 3 or 6 years - the (X) reward declines to 0 and its just Trans fees?

if so , perfect .
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November 20, 2013, 06:46:49 AM
so weather that be an end point and just transactions after 3 years or after the reward goes to zero - its really not the big concern the point is it does not keep inflating forever. 

I can see that people could be put off by inflation, even one as small as 0.5% pa.

My current thinking is to change the minimum reward to Max(X, TransactionFees) for say 3 - 6 years, with X getting smaller over the period until it reaches 0.
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November 20, 2013, 06:32:15 AM
Just to explain the original thinking behind the 0.5% inflation.

After six months, with millions of coins in circulation, there was a fear that the transactions fees would not be enough of an incentive for miners to keep on mining, so it was decided to give a block a minimum reward of 1.

Another option would be to have block reward be MAX(1, TransactionFees). That way, if transaction fees become large enough, the inflation is essentially zero. Also this keeps incentive to mine when transaction fees are low.

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+ 1 exactly  that is the incentive .

and there is another vector , a move to Mpow and its relatives in the future , will help to secure the network in many ways , because it is actually harder for single entities to gain critical amounts of % of network .

its of course not impossible , but much more difficult .

so in essence its another advantage to the Mpow system - i think it could get by on Tran fees , or it could taper down to a 1 mil reward for 3 years , its really of little consequence you see , the point is that the investor has confidence    that his investment or payment instrument won't be inflated to 0 .

so weather that be an end point and just transactions after 3 years or after the reward goes to zero - its really not the big concern the point is it does not keep inflating forever. 

but , however max makes a critical point about security , but take into account the new vectors relating to Mpow.
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November 20, 2013, 06:05:32 AM
Just to explain the original thinking behind the 0.5% inflation.

After six months, with millions of coins in circulation, there was a fear that the transactions fees would not be enough of an incentive for miners to keep on mining, so it was decided to give a block a minimum reward of 1.

Another option would be to have block reward be MAX(1, TransactionFees). That way, if transaction fees become large enough, the inflation is essentially zero. Also this keeps incentive to mine when transaction fees are low.

Comments?
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November 20, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
I think the inflation should be zero from day one.

Bitcoin is successful because there is a hard limit.


I agree , to a degree , and this could be an option , but I dont mind the 1 million per year for 3 years, at least everyone knows the score it puts a defined cap in place .

But yeah its all open for discussion I guess  ?
Whats the point of inflating the supply if there will be a natural inflation process through mining?

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November 20, 2013, 05:56:03 AM
Who OPs this thread ?

I suggest make a new one if we push forward ?

Perhaps flip you could or someone else . But later I guess .

I'm managing this thread. I am completely open to discussion here.


Ok sweet great .
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November 20, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
Who OPs this thread ?

I suggest make a new one if we push forward ?

Perhaps flip you could or someone else . But later I guess .

I'm managing this thread. I am completely open to discussion here.
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November 20, 2013, 05:29:13 AM
Who OPs this thread ?

I suggest make a new one if we push forward ?

Perhaps flip you could or someone else . But later I guess .
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November 20, 2013, 05:27:09 AM
I think the inflation should be zero from day one.

Bitcoin is successful because there is a hard limit.


I agree , to a degree , and this could be an option , but I dont mind the 1 million per year for 3 years, at least everyone knows the score it puts a defined cap in place .

But yeah its all open for discussion I guess  ?
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November 20, 2013, 05:24:31 AM
I think the inflation should be zero from day one.

Bitcoin is successful because there is a hard limit.
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November 20, 2013, 05:14:43 AM
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November 20, 2013, 04:24:56 AM
I would also propose a cap to the 0.5 % inflation after 3 years -
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then 3 following years of .05% inflation .

At the moment Quark will have 0.5% inflation after coin generation. I'm open to have a community vote on what the inflation should be.


Sorry max I wasnt clear im saying it should cap after 3 years , full stop after the 3 years of 0.5% inflation .

Its gets complex quickly but the paradigm of inflation is somewhat a product of our sadly exising systems , so a net deflationary system that is well distributed , is not a problem at all .

I mean guys come on , " name coin" is in BTCe no one is using the supposed services it provides "Devcoin " is the definition of a centralized system .

Quark should be on a marjor exchange , it just needs the right algorithm .

And dev support .
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November 20, 2013, 03:56:57 AM
I would also propose a cap to the 0.5 % inflation after 3 years -
...
then 3 following years of .05% inflation .

At the moment Quark will have 0.5% inflation after coin generation. I'm open to have a community vote on what the inflation should be.
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November 20, 2013, 03:42:24 AM
I like the ideas being put forward.
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November 20, 2013, 12:50:17 AM
flip - i will contact you soonish -

all we need to know Quark community is , how big can the bounty get to pay the Dev to do the work >?

and of course which Dev ha ha .
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November 20, 2013, 12:48:42 AM
I would also propose a cap to the 0.5 % inflation after 3 years -

of course this is a serious issue that would have to go to community vote , and no one could argue right now that anyone can have some Quark , so in this special case there should be no complaining .


but i would say , keep the emission as it is .

then 3 following years of .05% inflation .

then Cap it with only a fee structure.

what this effectively means is we have a currency here that is trading currently near 0 so anyone an everyone has had , is having a chance to gain some , then a period of 3 years of inflation , then a cap.

this is very much like a nicely executed market driven distribution , if Ripple could have achieved something like this then they might have gained more popularity .
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November 20, 2013, 12:39:25 AM
I'm starting to like this MPoW more and more Smiley.

How would this affect existing infrastructure?

also to Max - no this is incorrect , it would disrupt all the Robots

all the pools would have to do is update to the new client , run a new miner compiled , there are PTS miners in the wild now .

If there was a disruption in the Robot side of thing this would rather switch the incentive to buying Quark rather than mindlessly mining and selling .

that combined with the removal of some downward pressure would allow Quark to at least reach the potential that in my mind an this community's mind it should.

its sad to see Quark at the price it is , but it is only due to the lack of some community management, i'm happy to help in this regard.

in fact i can tell you i'd rather see Quark on BTC-e than a lot of other cryptocurrencies - i'm not saying they would shoot for it , but it is certainly got a lot of support , and its a great concept. 
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November 19, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
I'm starting to like this MPoW more and more Smiley.

How would this affect existing infrastructure?
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