[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 146.

samsonn25

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Quote from: dmeter on February 23, 2015, 03:00:45 PM

all new 16nm FF+ turbo is 15 % faster to16 nm FF chips 16 FF nm around 40% faster of 20 nm chips or 75% of 28 nm chips

0,125 gh/w standard or 0,2 gh/w turbo
SP-100 be 100 TH machine in cold or 80 th turbo.
but we must wait next year
because all 3 manufacture have problem Samsung,TSMC,Intel

16nm over rated. Bitfury is still squeezing out under .3 efficiency at 28nm

But by next year diff will be 100-120 billion

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Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: dmwardjr on February 23, 2015, 02:08:19 PM

Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

Without knowing the hash rate for this 16,000 watt rig?

I am thinking in the 40 TH/s range for ~$8,000

I think what Guy was talking about is franchising, so you might even not own anything.
SPT will hire a franchise to host multiple miners presumably on a revenue sharing basis plus some support contract.
Obviously, it (franchising and contracting) would make little sense for one SP100.
I don't want to put words in anybodies mouth, but this is how it sounded to me.

On the other hand, making something like a kibbutz out of it is perhaps a solid idea.
Say, a facility with 5-10 SP100 with machines paid for by five people or so.
hosting partner would be the one contacting SPT for service.
It could work, I think.

dmeter

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all new 16nm FF+ turbo is 15 % faster to16 nm FF chips 16 FF nm around 40% faster of 20 nm chips or 75% of 28 nm chips

0,125 gh/w standard or 0,2 gh/w turbo
SP-100 be 100 TH machine in cold or 80 th turbo.
but we must wait next year
because all 3 manufacture have problem Samsung,TSMC,Intel

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The following "requirements" don't require a new chip design:

"I was thinking 30 TH/s range with 16,000 watts and .51 watts per GH"

The above, except possibly for cost, can be done with roughly 30 SP20's. It can easily be donwclocked to make the .51 W/GH without trouble.

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Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: dmwardjr on February 23, 2015, 02:08:19 PM

Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

Without knowing the hash rate for this 16,000 watt rig?

I am thinking in the 40 TH/s range for ~$8,000

It would more than likely be around $12,600.00 to $14,200.00 if it were a 30 TH/s rig with built in PSU's.

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Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: dmwardjr on February 23, 2015, 02:08:19 PM

Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

Without knowing the hash rate for this 16,000 watt rig?

I am thinking in the 40 TH/s range for ~$8,000

I was thinking 30 TH/s range with 16,000 watts and .51 watts per GH

Dr Charles

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Quote from: dmwardjr on February 23, 2015, 02:08:19 PM

Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

Without knowing the hash rate for this 16,000 watt rig?

I am thinking in the 40 TH/s range for ~$8,000

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Quote from: Dr Charles on February 23, 2015, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

Without knowing the hash rate for this 16,000 watt rig? I'm supposing it would be about 30 TH/s

Dr Charles

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Quote from: expron on February 23, 2015, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

I would like to see a target of $8,000

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Quote from: ElGabo on February 23, 2015, 05:17:31 AM

Just to be clear.

What means bulk buyer?

50-100kw

100-500kw

500kw-1Mw

1Mw+

last time was 200 sp20 meaning above 240kw

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

What kind of price range can we expect the 3rd gen hardware to cost? Will the price be more than $10,000 or $25,000+? Per 12U unit?

Dr Charles

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""Don't underestimate how important it is that this company is actively resisting pre-orders.
""

^^ agreed. It is easy to accept pre-orders but it almost always puts undue pressure on designers and manufacturers as well as tends to build unrealistic expectations on delivery times and performance on untested technology.

Much respect to Spondoolies for their decision process.

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Depending on how much hosting space we have available when stuff starts to move, I'd definitely look into facilitating a group buy (or at least endorsing one) with some of the miners ending up here and/or going to various US-domestic home miners, for smaller gear built on Gen3 stuff.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 23, 2015, 12:46:23 PM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on February 23, 2015, 12:04:15 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 23, 2015, 12:31:46 AM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on February 22, 2015, 11:48:41 PM

Quote from: TheAnalogKid on February 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

IMHO, if you came out with something like 4U/5Kw/3 or 4 board version in the 20-25TH range you'd make a killing. I think that would still keep the home miner in the game as basically anyone with 5 SP20's running today should/would be able to convert over to this. As with the SP30/31/35 the rack mount form factor would be great for those of us in a datacenter setting.

I would absolutely buy one of your third generation units at a 4U form factor, i can not imagine it costing you that much more to release both form factors simultaneously. Since if you did released it to industrial miners first they would have the advantage of the new ASIC technology before the home miners giving the industrial miners more of an advantage. Releasing both form factors simultaneously however would create a more level playing field. You would also gain even more respect then you already have amongst the Bitcoin community. Furthermore in the long run this might even be the most profitable strategy for spoondoolies, since what is good for Bitcoin is also good for spondoolies. that is one of the beautiful things about Bitcoin, it is supposed to align incentives towards good.

Launching two product lines simultaneously isn't feasible. As with our previous gens, we'll be open to sell our ASICs.
The 3 months lead time on the ASICs kill most of those deals.

If it at all helps to do pre-orders, i think you should. I would pre-order a 4u or 2u third generation unit and i am sure many other people here would do so as well, i bought my sp31's on a pre order as well after all.

Thank you for your suggestion. However, due to the technology risk of our 3rd gen tech, we don't think it's suitable for pre-orders by non accredited investors.
We're working on funding the masks set and initial batch not through pre-orders.

Don't underestimate how important it is that this company is actively resisting pre-orders.

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on February 23, 2015, 12:04:15 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 23, 2015, 12:31:46 AM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on February 22, 2015, 11:48:41 PM

Quote from: TheAnalogKid on February 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

IMHO, if you came out with something like 4U/5Kw/3 or 4 board version in the 20-25TH range you'd make a killing. I think that would still keep the home miner in the game as basically anyone with 5 SP20's running today should/would be able to convert over to this. As with the SP30/31/35 the rack mount form factor would be great for those of us in a datacenter setting.

I would absolutely buy one of your third generation units at a 4U form factor, i can not imagine it costing you that much more to release both form factors simultaneously. Since if you did released it to industrial miners first they would have the advantage of the new ASIC technology before the home miners giving the industrial miners more of an advantage. Releasing both form factors simultaneously however would create a more level playing field. You would also gain even more respect then you already have amongst the Bitcoin community. Furthermore in the long run this might even be the most profitable strategy for spoondoolies, since what is good for Bitcoin is also good for spondoolies. that is one of the beautiful things about Bitcoin, it is supposed to align incentives towards good.

Launching two product lines simultaneously isn't feasible. As with our previous gens, we'll be open to sell our ASICs.
The 3 months lead time on the ASICs kill most of those deals.

If it at all helps to do pre-orders, i think you should. I would pre-order a 4u or 2u third generation unit and i am sure many other people here would do so as well, i bought my sp31's on a pre order as well after all.

Thank you for your suggestion. However, due to the technology risk of our 3rd gen tech, we don't think it's suitable for pre-orders by non accredited investors.
We're working on funding the masks set and initial batch not through pre-orders.

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Quote from: dmeter on February 23, 2015, 07:27:00 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on February 23, 2015, 12:45:10 AM

Will you still make them available for non bulk buyers?

Ognasty.make contact whit Spondoolies. And open group bay.

While I would love to run a group buy for Spondoolies next gen equipment, I think that it would require conversations with the Spondoolies team. While no such conversations have taken place, I would definitely be open to anything I could do to help the community or Spondoolies. Keep me in mind Spondoolies team!

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 23, 2015, 12:31:46 AM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on February 22, 2015, 11:48:41 PM

Quote from: TheAnalogKid on February 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

IMHO, if you came out with something like 4U/5Kw/3 or 4 board version in the 20-25TH range you'd make a killing. I think that would still keep the home miner in the game as basically anyone with 5 SP20's running today should/would be able to convert over to this. As with the SP30/31/35 the rack mount form factor would be great for those of us in a datacenter setting.

I would absolutely buy one of your third generation units at a 4U form factor, i can not imagine it costing you that much more to release both form factors simultaneously. Since if you did released it to industrial miners first they would have the advantage of the new ASIC technology before the home miners giving the industrial miners more of an advantage. Releasing both form factors simultaneously however would create a more level playing field. You would also gain even more respect then you already have amongst the Bitcoin community. Furthermore in the long run this might even be the most profitable strategy for spoondoolies, since what is good for Bitcoin is also good for spondoolies. that is one of the beautiful things about Bitcoin, it is supposed to align incentives towards good.

Launching two product lines simultaneously isn't feasible. As with our previous gens, we'll be open to sell our ASICs.
The 3 months lead time on the ASICs kill most of those deals.

If it at all helps to do pre-orders, i think you should. I would pre-order a 4u or 2u third generation unit and i am sure many other people here would do so as well, i bought my sp31's on a pre order as well after all.

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Quote from: Epoch on February 22, 2015, 09:22:36 PM

Spondoolies, can you provide an approximate power versus hashrate graph (or table) for the SP35? This will help in optimizing net profit for these units based on local electricity rates.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 23, 2015, 12:45:10 AM

Will you still make them available for non bulk buyers?

Ognasty.make contact whit Spondoolies. And open group bay.
depende of price i bay 2 set sp-100 and spare controler.
may home litle mining

exschange box is dimension 3,5x3,5 x 2,4 meter whit mil Astrocell-Cleanroom-Air-Filter

8 hour in day i have negative price of electric in winter in summer 10 hour day.
if i dont spend 7 kwh i must pay 1$ by hour,if i spend 7kwh i pay 0$ and recive 1$ on account

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Quote from: aclass on February 23, 2015, 05:20:27 AM

I can manufacture the chassis myself if I have the CADs so if you sell just boards and controller I can pretty much get the whole thing set up. I have tons of delta fans as well

also i today recive 10 delta PSU 2000W 160A 12v
also have delta fan from 500 cfm to 2000cfm and more if need

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