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Quote from: stan258 on February 22, 2015, 11:49:26 PM

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Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

Only bulk sales? I don't want to dive in on a whole batch of 30 on my own. I don't have the cash for that.

We'll sell to anyone interested in buying our equipment. I believe that our initial form factor won't be suitable for non bulk buyers.
90%-95% of our revenues came from bulk purchases, this is why we're targeting the initial form factor towards bulk buyers.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

Only bulk sales? I don't want to dive in on a whole batch of 30 on my own. I don't have the cash for that.

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Quote from: TheAnalogKid on February 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

IMHO, if you came out with something like 4U/5Kw/3 or 4 board version in the 20-25TH range you'd make a killing. I think that would still keep the home miner in the game as basically anyone with 5 SP20's running today should/would be able to convert over to this. As with the SP30/31/35 the rack mount form factor would be great for those of us in a datacenter setting.

I would absolutely buy one of your third generation units at a 4U form factor, i can not imagine it costing you that much more to release both form factors simultaneously. Since if you did released it to industrial miners first they would have the advantage of the new ASIC technology before the home miners giving the industrial miners more of an advantage. Releasing both form factors simultaneously however would create a more level playing field. You would also gain even more respect then you already have amongst the Bitcoin community. Furthermore in the long run this might even be the most profitable strategy for spoondoolies, since what is good for Bitcoin is also good for spondoolies. that is one of the beautiful things about Bitcoin, it is supposed to align incentives towards good.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on February 22, 2015, 11:12:48 PM

Quote from: Zelek Uther on February 22, 2015, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

I'm hoping you will make a 3rd gen product with the SP3x form factor.

I have 1 socket I can change from 120 to 240 volts. It is a 3 foot run from my panel . So I can easily do this.

I can run 12 sp20e's at 600 watts or a total of 7200 watts.

So if I have 1 sp100 I can wire a 30amp fuse and supply 5600 watts to the sp100. after that I would be pressed.

So if a newer 4000-6000 watt miner does come out I will be sure to be ready for it.

somewhere on this thread Guy said that it will be 16000w.
Maybe you are talking about the "consumer" version of that one?

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Quote from: Zelek Uther on February 22, 2015, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

I'm hoping you will make a 3rd gen product with the SP3x form factor.

I have 1 socket I can change from 120 to 240 volts. It is a 3 foot run from my panel . So I can easily do this.

I can run 12 sp20e's at 600 watts or a total of 7200 watts.

So if I have 1 sp100 I can wire a 30amp fuse and supply 5600 watts to the sp100. after that I would be pressed.

So if a newer 4000-6000 watt miner does come out I will be sure to be ready for it.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

I'm hoping you will make a 3rd gen product with the SP3x form factor.

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Quote from: samsonn25 on February 22, 2015, 03:11:41 PM

I would have thought up the same modular way, as this saves on the exterior, multiple small fans, and controllers and MB. Bitfury, and ASM have been doing it for awhile, they probably have custom Unit-sizes in house that the public does not know about, in their mines.

Beside BMT upgrade kits, I'm not aware of any other company that successfully reused the chassis, PSUs, fans and controller.
I know that BitFury planed for it but they're currently moving towards immersion cooling in their DCs, so they seem to discard the idea.
In addition, BitFury raspberry pi controller didn't have spare capacity to handle the increase in job creation rate.

We intend to allow quick upgrade between our 3rd and future gens.
We'll probably manufacture the hashing boards closer to the packaging house and ship them by air, while the chassis will be shipped by sea or be manufactured closer to the deployment locations.

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Quote from: takagari on February 22, 2015, 04:08:58 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 03:02:09 PM

Quote from: samsonn25 on February 22, 2015, 02:53:23 PM

You make it sound like it will be a 7 foot 60kw tower :p

While the average person might have 100 amp service and could maybe spare half of that, some others may have 200 amp service, half of that is about 24kw at 100% load.

12U, 16kw, 10 replaceable hashing boards.

I could rock that at home or in my garage, lol.
Than again I'm an electrician with 200amp home service... Wink

Pricing yet? preorders? ETA Cheesy

We won't take pre-orders until the technology will be proven. Afterwards, we might, depending on the market and our funding situation. I find it very unlikely.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment.

I'm looking forward to seeing your next gen products.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on February 22, 2015, 10:24:02 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

oh well-- the end.

While you are mentioning this to us I appreciate the advance notice. I now await your deployment of it. Good luck with your efforts.

Our business model for the 3rd gen will be based on JVs with local experienced operators with access to low cost electricity.
Similar in a way to MBP franchise program.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 10:21:28 PM

Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

oh well-- the end.

While you are mentioning this to us I appreciate the advance notice. I now await your deployment of it. Good luck with your efforts.

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Quote from: xstr8guy on February 22, 2015, 08:26:05 PM

How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

I didn't say that. I said that our first form factor is suitable for large scale deployment. If there will be home mining market, we'll have other offerings.
We do intend to offer the best rates cloud mining with Genesis Mining.

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Quote from: Epoch on February 22, 2015, 09:22:36 PM

Spondoolies, can you provide an approximate power versus hashrate graph (or table) for the SP35? This will help in optimizing net profit for these units based on local electricity rates.

I've asked one of our engineer to produce such graphs, but I stated that it's low priority. It will take him few days.

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Spondoolies, can you provide an approximate power versus hashrate graph (or table) for the SP35? This will help in optimizing net profit for these units based on local electricity rates.

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Kind of sad there's not going to be much of an available market for home miners. I'm lucky enough that I can run 10 or 12 boxes without issue.

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I completely agree with you.

Its a tough business, and no one has lasted selling retail machines. Only Bitmain, but I think their strategy was to mine with them for a bit then sell to marketplace before they become obsolete and then they are stuck with a ton of depreciating inventory.

Bitfury and KNC are now manufacturers and miners with their own proprietary technology (cant really blame them they spent millions on r and d). Spondoolies I can see why it is easier to sell in batches of 100, 500, 1000 and just concentrate on wholesale rather than take the risk of inventory or the hassle of customer servce for retail units. I applaud them though with coming out with a breakthrough product at a time when other makers were selling only promises.

Access to the technology is the key barrier for the retail miner, as ASCIS are specialized. I miss the days of cpu and gpu mining when everyone had a chance to get a highend intel or amd cpu or high end gpu from amd or nvidia. Even the large farms had the exact same equipment, just more of them. Pretty level playing field back then.

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How is everyone missing the main point when Spondoolies says that the next gen is not for home use? Huh

They will NOT be retailing single units. They will likely only sell large batches to industrial mining operations... just like KNC and Bitfury. There are many reasons why they would want to do this and I'm sure most of us have heard them all before.

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Quote from: adaseb on February 22, 2015, 06:25:39 PM

Why are all your miners sold out at the moment?

Because people bought them.

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 19, 2015, 09:36:12 AM

At current rate, the stock will be sold out in few weeks (already sold out on the SP35).

Quote from: Guy Corem on February 22, 2015, 07:33:27 AM

We are Happy to announce that the SP20 has sold out.
It's not too late for those who want to own a Spondoolies-Tech unit as we continue to offer the SP31.

Looks like the SP31 is listed as in stock though, so "all your miners" seems a little ambitious

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Why are all your miners sold out at the moment?

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Sponds have always gone for density, and a good business model to follow it is.

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