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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 348. (Read 1260290 times)

newbie
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How trust worthy are http://www.michigan-colocation.com/.

I'm planning to give my SP-30's to them. Anyone else hosting with them?

Can I change the pools at anytime? Do they give VPN?
newbie
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Well, I have to admit that I'm currently waiting for the S4 specs and price be revealed. Although there is no valid point in investing in mining now with difficulty going through the roof (network hash rate has already spiked to above 260 PH/s, currently sitting at 250.5 PH/s) and BTC price in the cellar, I'm prepared to purchase my very first mining gear, because winter is coming and my plan is to let the miners assist in heating the house.

SP-T has really something going here, but unfortunately the long delivery times, high price and especially the high shipping costs speak against the purchase of a SP20 or SP35. Considering the total purchase price Bitmaintech offers a better $/GH rate, and although SP-T had a better W/GH rate so far, it may be beaten by a S4 with underclocked/undervolted ASICS.

$/GH and W/GH both have to be right, which is why those Tubes with W/GH way off can not even be considered.

I'm not giving up on SP-T, but something has to happen, because it's just not working that way. We need some innovation to bring W/GH below 0.5 and price + delivery times down, which may be impossible right now, but I have hopes for 2015.

Let's assume a static network hash rate of 300 Ph/s, power costs of 0.1 USD/kWh and an exchange price of 500 USD/BTC.

SP20 costs 2.64 USD/day,
SP35 costs 8.4 USD/day,
S3+ B9 costs 0.86 USD/day, and
AM Tube costs 2.16 USD/day.

SP20 at 1700 Gh/s would mine 0.0204 BTC/day or 10.2 USD/day,
SP35 at 6000 Gh/s would mine 0.072 BTC/day or 36 USD/day,
S3+ B9 at 453 Gh/s would mine 0.005436 BTC/day or 2.72 USD/day, and
AM Tube at 800 Gh/s would mine 0.0096 BTC/day or 4.8 USD/day.

SP20 would make 7.56 USD/day profit,
SP35 would make 27.6 USD/day profit,
S3+ B9 would make 1.858 USD/day profit, and
AM Tube would make 2.64 USD/day profit.

SP20 costs 1,500 USD inc. PSU + shipping, it would take 199 days to break even,
SP35 costs 4,035 USD inc. PSU + shipping, it would take 147 days to break even,
S3+ B9 costs 320 USD inc. PSU + shipping, it would take 173 days to break even, and
AM Tube costs 500 USD inc. PSU + shipping, it would take 190 days to break even.

The network isn't static though and AM Tubes are the only miners in stock. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

As I reply to this BTC = ~$396.80 .. so of course these numbers are off, could have been off if BTC was $1000 too, not talking about. What I see missing is the difficulty level factor in this. 147 days to pay back for example using the difficulty rate would be much longer. or am I wrong?

I made up a spreadsheet much like this, used it to compare all the miners I could find on Amazon, ebay and on. Pretty much the SP35 was the best in short time to break even as a single unit. Which is why I was drawn to this topic to start off. I wanted to gather more info.

Tubes was second. Plus easier to get with lower cost so they too hold an advantage. S3 fell in third on how I figure on the spreadsheet.

The poster who posted the 80/20 rule, many post back from this now, is right. Goes further too in forums as if this forum is anything but average, 80 percent noise to 20 percent useful info. Sorry if I spark further trolls ... it was that difficult to read and find useful info here on the SP35.

I don't want to sound negative either, like so many other posts here but it just seems the costs now are not going to pay back for much longer than a 147 days. Electricity cost are not a factor for me. Where my units would be placed I do not pay for the engery, nor the heat/cooling. All part of the lease. I either use it or not. I would get the best bang for my lease if I did. Problem is there is amount to use, that is limited current wise. I would only be able to place in 4 SP35s as is. Then I would have to run additional capacity into the room.

I had mention that these units would be shut down when a lower noise level was desired. Right now, that would be less than 20 hours a week. A drop in the bucket. The room is not that much used.

I am looking at other alt coins for mining and dropping BTC mining. Depends on the answers to this post.

Please don't respond to this post with further trolling. Just looking for some clarifications.

Dale
grn
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Happy trolling,
Guy

Thanks! Nothing better than getting out on the water.... Trolling

sr. member
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It will help if the manufactures would only accept BTC, not BTC trough BitPay, but BTC directly to their wallets.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
...but others (especially large operations) sell.
From my trip to China, I heard the following repeatedly:
Lots of large farms using inefficient miners, placed at 6-10 cents (or above), creating constant downward pressure on the Bitcoin price when converting daily to pay electricity bill.
There is always, always download pressure, it doesn't matter if its in the hands of the public or larger farms. Everyone has bills to pay, everyone has to convert at some point. And unless money coming in remains > mining money + money going out, prices shift down.

Even if all these inefficient farms upgraded their entire fleet of hardware overnight, they'd still have to convert to pay the capital costs back - it makes little difference.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
...but others (especially large operations) sell.
From my trip to China, I heard the following repeatedly:
Lots of large farms using inefficient miners, placed at 6-10 cents (or above), creating constant downward pressure on the Bitcoin price when converting daily to pay electricity bill.
legendary
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If you're asking if we intend to release more advance products in 2015 then the answer is yes.

Good to hear, this 'mining game' is getting really rather thin on the rewards side as of late.



mining game is highly leveraged to the price of bitcoin.
At $1000, all current miners would become highly profitable (at least in $$ terms)
Personally, i don't typically sell mined bitcoin because I don't have to, but others (especially large operations) sell.
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If you're asking if we intend to release more advance products in 2015 then the answer is yes.

Good to hear, this 'mining game' is getting really rather thin on the rewards side as of late.

sr. member
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Guy,

Is S-T planning to compete with Cointerra's AIRE Bitcoin Miner and release their next generation miner?
The question is unclear. As I posted few pages ago, I can't comment on Cointerra's plans due to mutual NDA between the companies.
If you're asking if we intend to release more advance products in 2015 then the answer is yes.

Ok, thanks for heads up.
legendary
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Personal text my ass....


Gun manufacturers aren't sued if people go around killing everyone with their guns. If he's older then 18 and a human being he has the right to do what he wants. Freedom baby.



Incorrect, 3 recent examples:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/18/bushmaster-paid-after-malvo-killings-and-may-yet-pay-again/

http://news.yahoo.com/theater-shooting-victims-parents-sue-ammo-seller-170824059.html

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Bryco Arms declared bankruptcy in 2003 as a result of losing a lawsuit filed in Oakland, California and which resulted in a jury award of a record $24 million judgment against Bryco Arms. The lawsuit stemmed from an injury to a then 7-year old boy named Brandon Maxfield received from a 12-year old who was attempting to unload the 380 ACP version of the Bryco Arms Model 38. The 12 year old pulled the trigger with a round still in the gun while it was pointed at Maxfield. The ensuing negligent discharge paralyzed Brandon Maxfield from the neck down.

etc......

Sad story, but I still don't see how the gun manufacturer is responsible for the boys death. The bigger problem is the law system allows the gun manufacturer to actually get sued. Having a loaded firearm available for a 12 year old boy to get to is the registered guns owners fault. It just boils down to people feeling guilty about what happened and want to make someone pay. They're also greedy scoundrels. Ok, way off topic. Have to read Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
legendary
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Personal text my ass....
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I've noticed a pattern, you do your catch up (and venting) usually during the weekend.

You avoid reading the forum during the week?

Guy

Yep, some people have jobs and work a long work week.
grn
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Gun manufacturers aren't sued if people go around killing everyone with their guns. If he's older then 18 and a human being he has the right to do what he wants. Freedom baby.



Incorrect, 3 recent examples:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/18/bushmaster-paid-after-malvo-killings-and-may-yet-pay-again/

http://news.yahoo.com/theater-shooting-victims-parents-sue-ammo-seller-170824059.html

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Bryco Arms declared bankruptcy in 2003 as a result of losing a lawsuit filed in Oakland, California and which resulted in a jury award of a record $24 million judgment against Bryco Arms. The lawsuit stemmed from an injury to a then 7-year old boy named Brandon Maxfield received from a 12-year old who was attempting to unload the 380 ACP version of the Bryco Arms Model 38. The 12 year old pulled the trigger with a round still in the gun while it was pointed at Maxfield. The ensuing negligent discharge paralyzed Brandon Maxfield from the neck down.

etc......
hero member
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Ok.. Hosting seems to be bit expensive. I have allocated some rack space in my room near the window. And also with my air-con. I'm not fussy about the noise. The only issue now would be the power coming off the wall. I know London sockets support 240v. If I do plug two of the units will there be any issues like the units blowing up or anything?

What is the worst that could happen? Just my trip would be turned off right?

I can change the electrics in the room. I had to manually create extra sockets which I fed off another power wire.

Funny, 2 SP30's in the same rack where the music studio is. I just don't get it.


what dont you get? ppl setup their miners at work to steal electric since 2011.
legendary
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Personal text my ass....
As far as I know this sort of direct wiring from the fuse panel to the outlet is no different on a european panel than it is on either a 2-phase 120/240V or 3-phase 120/208V breaker panel.
What can I say? You are just an ignorant idiot. I even provided the links describing the differences between UK and US electrical wiring.

I'm all for capitalism and transfer of capital from stupid people in "old world" to smart people in "new world".

But what is now happening here is a sort of homicide/suicide pact done over the web forum. A homicide on the part of idiot giving the advice. Suicide on the part of idiot willing to follow the advice. It is a significant step beyond simple transfer of capital.

Thus far the worst occurrence related to Bitcoin mining was one guy suffering heat-stroke or brain-stroke after falling asleep in his very hot bedroom filled with mining equipment.

What is happening here (if followed literally to completion) will quite probably end in actual injury or death of boscocoin. The libertarian in me isn't really against it, if boscocoin has a death wish then let him fulfill it. But it may be a bad marketing for Spondoolies if boscocoin kills himself trying to install their miner.  So I'm somewhat torn ethically. On one hand I'm not really against ruthless people (like bobsag3 and klondike_bar) ripping off naive people. But when the ruthlessness moves into potential death-causing misadventures, I think I'm ethically obliged to raise an alarm.

I'll wait for the comment from the Israeli people who manage this thread.


Gun manufacturers aren't sued if people go around killing everyone with their guns. If he's older then 18 and a human being he has the right to do what he wants. Freedom baby.

legendary
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Personal text my ass....
Ok.. Hosting seems to be bit expensive. I have allocated some rack space in my room near the window. And also with my air-con. I'm not fussy about the noise. The only issue now would be the power coming off the wall. I know London sockets support 240v. If I do plug two of the units will there be any issues like the units blowing up or anything?

What is the worst that could happen? Just my trip would be turned off right?

I can change the electrics in the room. I had to manually create extra sockets which I fed off another power wire.

Funny, 2 SP30's in the same rack where the music studio is. I just don't get it.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Guy,

Is S-T planning to compete with Cointerra's AIRE Bitcoin Miner and release their next generation miner?
The question is unclear. As I posted few pages ago, I can't comment on Cointerra's plans due to mutual NDA between the companies.
If you're asking if we intend to release more advance products in 2015 then the answer is yes.
legendary
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Personal text my ass....
@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.

Wow. Noise can be mitigated by buying an expensive ($5K) cabinet, but heat?
people just look at the production numbers and don't think about heat, which is a MAJOR issue (for home).




Ok I guess I will need to find a cheap hosting place in London. Anyone know any cheap ones in London I could go with? And the average costs per month including electricity?

Should have done a little more investigating before these simple answers can be found in a few minutes. While bitcoin is at a low right now, sending your units to a hosting facility you probably won't make your money back if you paid retail.

legendary
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Cointerra's product is nothing but vaporware. No one needs to concern themselves with it.
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Guy,

Is S-T planning to compete with Cointerra's AIRE Bitcoin Miner and release their next generation miner?
legendary
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It's not hard. If the chips aren't selling good then the miners using those chips will not sell any better. It's not an assumption, it's a fact! Yes I got the information abut the chips from FC and I gave you the quote that said that chips aren't selling so goo. What else do you want? If you, in your blinded shareholder mind think that the miners using BE200 chips will sell like hot cakes after the bare chips weren't selling then you are just lying yourself.

No, that's not a fact at all. It's an assumption.

Best $/Gh and W/GH at that time so I don't see where the problem is.

So you now admit that you were trolling and talking rubbish about competitors in their thread while praising Spondoolies?

As always stop telling me about facts from the past. Tell me about the present and the future.

I don't have psychic abilities and as for the present, I've already provided the maths showing that SP20 is poor value compared to the competition.

I thought this was the spondoolies thread?

It is, except that I thought it would be fair for everyone to know that an AM shareholder came to this thread praising the AM Tubes, not just a random guy. And instead of just putting it into his sig he tries to discredit me.

I wasn't praising AM. In fact, the information I provided showed that the SP35 would be the most valuable miner if all delivery times where immediate, network hash rate was static, BTC price was static and cost of electricity was static. It also showed that the SP20 would be forth, with the S3+ B9 second and an AM Tube in third place. As it stands, the SP20 is just poor value. That's just how it is and nothing you or I say will change that. Only Spondoolies can fix it.
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