It does not matter. There's no global warming
by far, the cheapest reliable source of electricity is nuclear .. until someone invents something to collect it from thin air .. 
Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 354. (Read 1260354 times)
September 17, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
It does not matter. There's no global warming
by far, the cheapest reliable source of electricity is nuclear .. until someone invents something to collect it from thin air .. September 17, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
if noise is a problem, why not just change out the fans ....
example http://www.coolerguys.com/840556082507.html
there are many fans made out there with specs if you are that detailed ... that are far less noise than what might be in these cases ....
I am looking at the SP 35 myself. They would be placed in a studio that is also used for filming and such. I expect to shut them down when noise is a problem but I can also alter the fans too if need be and perhaps not have too.
Looking at the AM Tube too in the same way ...
Dale
example http://www.coolerguys.com/840556082507.html
there are many fans made out there with specs if you are that detailed ... that are far less noise than what might be in these cases ....
I am looking at the SP 35 myself. They would be placed in a studio that is also used for filming and such. I expect to shut them down when noise is a problem but I can also alter the fans too if need be and perhaps not have too.
Looking at the AM Tube too in the same way ...
Dale
September 17, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
When will you state your AM affiliation in your signature? It is fair for everyone to know, just like they see in my signature my affiliation to SP-Tech.
When I participate in the signature campaign and get paid to do so. Will that change the maths though?
SP20: $1,190.00 + $300 PSU for 1.7 Th/s = 0.88 USD per Gh/s
SP35: $3,920.00 for 6Th/s = 0.65 USD per Gh/s
S3+ B9: 0.58 BTC @ 453 USD/BTC + $50 PSU for 453 Gh/s = 0.69 USD per Gh/s
Tube: 0.889 BTC @ 453 USD/BTC + $100 PSU for 800 Gh/s = 0.63 USD per Gh/s
10 x Tube: 7.9 BTC @ 453 USD/BTC + 10 x $100 PSU for 8 Th/s = 0.57 USD per Gh/s
Given that you don't try to refute my argument that the SP20 provides terrible value, do you agree with that statement?
September 17, 2014, 06:19:40 PM
So far I have not noticed anyone on any bitcoin thread pointing out the importance of this mining factor.
Toomim brothers are loud-n-proud about their eco-friendly hydro power (as they should be).
neX:)
Their hydroelectric power is ecocidal as f*ck. It comes from the hydroelectric dam which was built upon decimation of the environment's flaura and fauna as the basis of the design.
And also it's terribly ecocidal for the existent ecosystems, up and down the river.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity#Disadvantages
September 17, 2014, 05:15:36 PM
So far I have not noticed anyone on any bitcoin thread pointing out the importance of this mining factor.
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Toomim brothers are loud-n-proud about their eco-friendly hydro power (as they should be).
neX:)
September 17, 2014, 04:50:07 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
So far I have not noticed anyone on any bitcoin thread pointing out the importance of this mining factor.
September 17, 2014, 04:45:42 PM
Difficulty is up another ~15% in eight days , Not sure if it is worth it to invest in ANY new hardware at the current hardware prices . Even with a coupon and discounts a SP35 or 31 costs over 3k with shipping
ROI is looking somewhat impossible because by October when units ship difficulty could be up 30% from now ugh.
ROI is looking somewhat impossible because by October when units ship difficulty could be up 30% from now ugh.
Don't worry. It will drop down to about 5-7% just few days before next difficulty change ;-)
The best investment I made this year is in gaw prime hashlets at $16/mhz
Now I can sell them for $39.99 or possibly. My sp30 orders are a wash at best at worst no ROI
September 17, 2014, 04:41:10 PM
If your going to do hosting with the SP20, why would you buy a 1.7Th/s when the SP10s 1.4Th/s are selling for $1,000 and below with power supply included on ebay?
How much power use on the s20 isn't it like 1200w?Its a tad more efficient I guess than the sp10 but you're right its not a great dea
Should be priced closer to $900
P.s I guess the assumption is that the buyer already has a psu ,
September 17, 2014, 04:34:36 PM
If your going to do hosting with the SP20, why would you buy a 1.7Th/s when the SP10s 1.4Th/s are selling for $1,000 and below with power supply included on ebay?
September 17, 2014, 04:07:17 PM
It's also 35% more expensive per Gh/s too.
SP20: $1,190.00 + $300 PSU for 1.7 Th/s = 0.88 USD per Gh/s
SP35: $3,920.00 for 6Th/s = 0.65 USD per Gh/s
The above prices don't even include the $115 shipping fee. Face it, the SP20s are terribly priced. S3s and Tubes offer far better value.
SP20: $1,190.00 + $300 PSU for 1.7 Th/s = 0.88 USD per Gh/s
SP35: $3,920.00 for 6Th/s = 0.65 USD per Gh/s
The above prices don't even include the $115 shipping fee. Face it, the SP20s are terribly priced. S3s and Tubes offer far better value.
When will you state your AM affiliation in your signature? It is fair for everyone to know, just like they see in my signature my affiliation to SP-Tech.
September 17, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
Difficulty is up another ~15% in eight days , Not sure if it is worth it to invest in ANY new hardware at the current hardware prices . Even with a coupon and discounts a SP35 or 31 costs over 3k with shipping
ROI is looking somewhat impossible because by October when units ship difficulty could be up 30% from now ugh.
ROI is looking somewhat impossible because by October when units ship difficulty could be up 30% from now ugh.
Don't worry. It will drop down to about 5-7% just few days before next difficulty change ;-)
September 17, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
Why is the SP20 less efficient than the SP35?
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
It's also 35% more expensive per Gh/s too.
SP20: $1,190.00 + $300 PSU for 1.7 Th/s = 0.88 USD per Gh/s
SP35: $3,920.00 for 6Th/s = 0.65 USD per Gh/s
The above prices don't even include the $115 shipping fee. Face it, the SP20s are terribly priced. S3s and Tubes offer far better value.
+1
Although I would add an additional fan on the Tubes to keep them from thermal run away and turn the handles "outward"
S3's == SOLID!
September 17, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
Why is the SP20 less efficient than the SP35?
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
It's also 35% more expensive per Gh/s too.
SP20: $1,190.00 + $300 PSU for 1.7 Th/s = 0.88 USD per Gh/s
SP35: $3,920.00 for 6Th/s = 0.65 USD per Gh/s
The above prices don't even include the $115 shipping fee. Face it, the SP20s are terribly priced. S3s and Tubes offer far better value.
September 17, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Why is the SP20 less efficient than the SP35?
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
I thought they used the same ASICs?
SP20 1100W / 1700 GH/s = 0.65J/GH
SP35 3500W / 6000 GH/s = 0.58J/GH
September 17, 2014, 02:53:08 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
It helps in avoiding different downtime situations like no power, no internet, theft, natural disasters, accidents etc.
Also mining on local p2pool nodes helps in case of DDoS.
Right, but what does that have to do with decentralization?
The cost of downtime situations and theft has to be measured against the hosting cost. That is why I only do month to month with mining contracts. Over time you are less concerned about a miner being stolen. You cant really put that many miners in a house, so downtime for even a full day is no big deal.
September 17, 2014, 02:49:25 PM
Right, but what does that have to do with decentralization?
It's a better decentralization than the 50k products sold by BFL to "home miners" which are offline now...
September 17, 2014, 02:42:33 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
It helps in avoiding different downtime situations like no power, no internet, theft, natural disasters, accidents etc.
Also mining on local p2pool nodes helps in case of DDoS.
Right, but what does that have to do with decentralization?
September 17, 2014, 02:39:44 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
It helps in avoiding different downtime situations like no power, no internet, theft, natural disasters, accidents etc.
Also mining on local p2pool nodes helps in case of DDoS.
September 17, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
I have all my miners in datacenters, but there are certain times.... Lets say I am testing, troubleshooting or repairing the miner. I don't want 65db sound, its just not a proper design.
Also, when miners become unprofitable to be in the datacenter, but perhaps I want to put them in my office somewhere, but I couldn't do that because they would be screaming. (1.7T is really not worth hosting BTW)
In addition, it just a pet peave with loud fans, I feel it's poor design. That's my opinion and you can disagree with it.
As they say on the TV show Shark tank, SP20 is a nothingburger, I'm out!
September 17, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Yeah i laughed myself hard also on this one. Next thing is someone telling the cloud´s are good for decentralization also
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
Anyway they are really good machines with very nice engineering on it although extremely noisy wich is normal for datacenters or for someone who wants a divorce
So you want to tell me that having miners in your house is better than having miners in your house+3 other datacenters? Ok...
What does it matter where they are when they're still under your control?
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