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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 358. (Read 1260354 times)

legendary
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.


In the back of my house I have a separate building which is being used as a music studio. I was planning to put the machines into a server rack and store them in that space with that air-conditioner. Are there any other ways I could keep them as a home solution? Maybe a different air-con? or server rack with cooling?

Consider contacting Advania (Iceland-close to you geographically) or one of multiple US locations and ship them there.
Edit: not sure if VAT will apply for Iceland, definetly no VAT for USA, but spond could definitely ship to both locations.
Brian_AdvaniaThor is the nick of their rep here on btctalk or look here for more, especially in US, although toomim brothers tapped out (currently)-michigan colocation, bobsag3 (minersource.net), carlos tapang (centerus.com), asicspace, etc. etc.:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hw-hosting-directory-reputation-622998
No VAT will save you 20% upfront-I think that it is a no-brainer (going with US or iceland).

You have to get on it, man...
newbie
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.

Wow. Noise can be mitigated by buying an expensive ($5K) cabinet, but heat?
people just look at the production numbers and don't think about heat, which is a MAJOR issue (for home).




Ok I guess I will need to find a cheap hosting place in London. Anyone know any cheap ones in London I could go with? And the average costs per month including electricity?
legendary
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.

Wow. Noise can be mitigated by buying an expensive ($5K) cabinet, but heat?
people just look at the production numbers and don't think about heat, which is a MAJOR issue (for home).
hero member
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Really? I'm from the UK so all the appliances I have support 240v. I believe the SP-30 takes 240v from the wall?
Will it be hard for me even to plug two machines to my wall? Is there any other way?
I doubt your room has a 39A circuit (circuit at ~99% load, 3 sp30s).

You could lay some more cables from other circuits to the room to increase the load you can provide.

Just go to your braker pannel and look up the rating for the braker(s) to that room.
newbie
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

The question is... Running 2-1500W power supplies at home from the wall.  Is that even recommended?  Most appliances such as dish washer/clothes washer don't even take that much power?





Really? I'm from the UK so all the appliances I have support 240v. I believe the SP-30 takes 240v from the wall?
Will it be hard for me even to plug two machines to my wall? Is there any other way?
hero member
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In the back of my house I have a separate building which is being used as a music studio. I was planning to put the machines into a server rack and store them in that space with that air-conditioner. Are there any other ways I could keep them as a home solution? Maybe a different air-con? or server rack with cooling?
Sure, you could get an air-con that supports around 27kBTU, which will consume around 3kW of power itself.

You could increase the airflow through the building to around 1000cfm, and if outside temperatures are not above 30°C, everything should be fine.

You could go for an evaporative cooling solution if you live in a dry climate, this can give you both enough airflow aswell as enough cooling.

Finally, you could purchase hosting with one of the many hosting providers.
newbie
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.


In the back of my house I have a separate building which is being used as a music studio. I was planning to put the machines into a server rack and store them in that space with that air-conditioner. Are there any other ways I could keep them as a home solution? Maybe a different air-con? or server rack with cooling?
hero member
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The question is... Running 2-1500W power supplies at home from the wall.  Is that even recommended?  Most appliances such as dish washer/clothes washer don't even take that much power?

That adds to the problem aswell.

Standard wiring will not provide 9kW of 220V power in a normal room.
sr. member
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@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

The question is... Running 2-1500W power supplies at home from the wall.  Is that even recommended?  Most appliances such as dish washer/clothes washer don't even take that much power?


hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
@boscocoin

That AC is barely enough for ONE sp30.

When you say "in your room" I hope you do not mean that you will be staying in that room when the units are in there?

Evacuating 3kW of heat from a 2U case produces a significant amount of noise....


These sp30s are optimised for datacenter performance and not meant to be a home solution.
They can be a home solution with proper AC / airflow engineering, but hardly in a closed room.

Apart from the fact that AC equipment is expensive, running it also adds to your electricity bill, and unless you get WA state power rates, that will mean a big increase in your hosting cost.
newbie
Activity: 36
Merit: 0
Hi All,

I will be receiving 3 X SP-30s this month. I wanted to know which pool I could mine in with this machine for the best result. I'm new to mining so I need some help with this.

 

Eliguis is good, Slush's, btcguild...

Are you hosting them by yourself? If so, did you figure out how you will evacuate 9kw equivalent of heat (30709 BTU/hr=~2.51-2.55 tons of A/C)?
It is a lot for a house, not to mention apartment, unless it is in a standalone shed.


Yes I will be hosting them myself. I have a portable air-conditioner in my room (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amcor-PLMB-Portable-Conditioning-conditioner/dp/B001AXJ3V8). Do you think this one is fine for me?
legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 4331
Hi All,

I will be receiving 3 X SP-30s this month. I wanted to know which pool I could mine in with this machine for the best result. I'm new to mining so I need some help with this.

 

Eliguis is good, Slush's, btcguild...

Are you hosting them by yourself? If so, did you figure out how you will evacuate 9kw equivalent of heat (30709 BTU/hr=~2.51-2.55 tons of A/C)?
It is a lot for a house, not to mention apartment, unless it is in a standalone shed.
newbie
Activity: 36
Merit: 0
Hi All,

I will be receiving 3 X SP-30s this month. I wanted to know which pool I could mine in with this machine for the best result. I'm new to mining so I need some help with this.

 
sr. member
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Yes, but that was a preorder ... you had to wait ... and Bitmain are changing their business model ... everything is evolving .. again.

Previous batches had some waits, but the latest batch 9 just opened up and ships in 3 days.

Any approximate date for shipping of SP31 October Batch?

First half of October? Second half?
28th of October?
:-)

I'd like to know so I could start arranging hosting.
legendary
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Yes, but that was a preorder ... you had to wait ... and Bitmain are changing their business model ... everything is evolving .. again.

Previous batches had some waits, but the latest batch 9 just opened up and ships in 3 days.
sr. member
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and the S3+ ships in 3 days.

Yes, but that was a preorder ... you had to wait ... and Bitmain are changing their business model ... everything is evolving .. again.


legendary
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To be fair, even bitmain is taking pre-orders atm, and spondoolies has never shipped anything later than advertised.

While they do have some pre-orders, the bulk of their offerings are not. Nobody beats Bitmain's offerings right now, and the S3+ ships in 3 days.
newbie
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For anyone that doesn´t know:

As far as I can tell, grcooling is a form of immersion cooling, utilizing a "standard" 1-phase cooling liquid.



This is correct, we use an oil based dielectric coolant, which is much more cost effective than a two phase cooling approach. Two phase cooling fluids typically cost about $200 per gallon, while oil based liquid coolants are orders of magnitude cheaper. We can handle rack densities of over 100 KW per rack, with a cooling overhead energy use of about 3%. We can achieve this in any climate on the globe. If you can find me flat level ground, Available Power, communications and a roof, I can build you one of the most efficient, cost effective data centers on the planet.  Please see below a link to a youtube video of what our cooling units typically look like in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IX9U2zaI_I



I would be happy to answer any questions.

Cheers,
Brandon
.... So you're saying you're moving the fluid from rack to roof, cooling it to ambient and back to rack for less than 3KW per rack?


The path of heat flow through the systems works like this: The heat from the boards/ASICs is tranfered to the rack coolant, which is then pumped to a pump module which houses Redundant pumps, controls, and heat exchangers. The heat exchangers have an oil and a waterside. The waterside of the heat exchangers are plumbed into a warm water loop which runs to a simple evaporative cooling tower, which is the most common & cost effective means for final heat rejection.

The whole system has 3 moving parts: 1. Oil/Coolant pump 2. Water pump for Warm Water Loop. 3. Fan on Cooling tower, which may or may not be on due to current weather conditions.

3-4 KW is a typical energy cooling usage for a 100 KW system.

What is your estimated cooling infrastructure $/W for high density hardware like an SP30?

Your site says $1/w but I'm assuming that's not right because that's about twice as expensive as 2 phase immersion cooling.



$1 per watt is on the high end of our pricing model for corporate data centers (tier III / IV) that serve a much different hardware and redundancy requirement profile. Our cooling solutions tailored for miners are substantially cheaper than $1 per watt.   The pricing depends on volume. If I am building a single unit, it is going to have a per unit cost that is much more expensive than if I was building you 100 cooling units.  How many SP-30s are you considering?
hero member
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Hardware vs network difficulty document has been updated to include the new hardware offering.


EDIT Power and speed correction on line 25.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing

Not sure what the point of this is when all the info is incorrect/out of date. It's also missing like 90% of hardware available.
legendary
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Hardware vs network difficulty document has been updated to include the new hardware offering.


EDIT Power and speed correction on line 25.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing

Thank you for this.. you may want to update bitmain S3 is now on Batch 9 shipping on Sept 18
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