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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 687. (Read 1260290 times)

legendary
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Pre-orders that aren't even due for 4 months are a huge risk to the customer. Why are you putting all that risk on the customer for the SP30? That's not how you did the SP10.

Spondoolies-Tech has more than enough money in their various coffers of various concerns to not need to take pre-orders. They are in a unique position to end this pre-order bullshit once and for all.

You did see Spondoolies-Tech account specifically say 5000s of SP30s and "do the math".  You also saw they publicly disclosed they had $5.5m in venture capital.  BUT they have been running for 9months (employees, equipment, travel, rent etc), they funded the NRE dev costs for SP10 and SP30.  They pre-paid fabrication costs for SP10 (and maybe some SP30 also?)  When they say do the math... DO THE MATH.. its gotta be like $20m or something.  Have $20m to lend them?  Maybe get some bitcoin bazillionaire could front it?

You cant just materalize $20m to give to TSMC.

Even with huge funds like that its work and time to ramp up production pipeline.  Minimum order time.

Up to here, is doesn't matter whether you are a pre-order company or not. This is just what needs to be done to get off the ground. However, its impossible to do any of this part if you don't have VC, those companies have to do pre-orders to raise the capital to do this part of the business process. Spondoolies didn't, they had enough VC not to do pre-orders. Now maybe they ran out of cash, maybe they didn't, its just as shame they couldn't take that extra step and sell from stock.

The other thing is like Spondoolies-Tech said: however many they make, they'll probably SELL OUT immediately they get any stock, if they delayed sale and stock-piled.  At any production rate there is a rate of fabrication/assembly per day.  Suggest you make suggestions.  What would you do: run a daily auction for those assembled on the day?

Disclaimer I am a crypto consultant to Spondoolies, BUT I do not have knowledge of the finance specifics, the above is from public information they intentionally posted to this list to enable readers to do the math, I just got impatient and did the math for you.

Adam


This here is irrelevant to whether they do pre-orders or build up supply and sell from stock. Once the initial supply of units is in stock you start selling, then once you start selling you start making more units to restock your product ready for new sales. Once you get going you have a constant stream of manufacturing, a minimum level of stock to supply your customers, and a stream of sales that most probably will grow exponentially IMHO.

As a business whether you choose to go down the pre-order route or to sell from stock depends on whether you want your customers to bear the burden of risk or whether the business bears that burden.

For many people I would imagine that they would prefer the latter not the former, especially considering the history of this particular industry.

That being said there will always be people willing to pre-order. What I *hope* starts to happen is that as Spondoolies get into their stride and have more confidence in themselves as manufacturers and their sales numbers continue to rise they will quickly start to shorten the pre-order gap. Bring it down to a week or so and then its not really a pre-order business. Either that or adopt the deposit methodolgy already discussed.
legendary
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Shipping out soon:



Nice, have you managed to cure the PSU fan speed/noise issue yet?
sr. member
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in bitcoin we trust
Pre-orders that aren't even due for 4 months are a huge risk to the customer. Why are you putting all that risk on the customer for the SP30? That's not how you did the SP10.

Spondoolies-Tech has more than enough money in their various coffers of various concerns to not need to take pre-orders. They are in a unique position to end this pre-order bullshit once and for all.

You did see Spondoolies-Tech account specifically say 5000s of SP30s and "do the math".  You also saw they publicly disclosed they had $5.5m in venture capital.  BUT they have been running for 9months (employees, equipment, travel, rent etc), they funded the NRE dev costs for SP10 and SP30.  They pre-paid fabrication costs for SP10 (and maybe some SP30 also?)  When they say do the math... DO THE MATH.. its gotta be like $20m or something.  Have $20m to lend them?  Maybe get some bitcoin bazillionaire could front it?

You cant just materalize $20m to give to TSMC.

Even with huge funds like that its work and time to ramp up production pipeline.  Minimum order time.

The other thing is like Spondoolies-Tech said: however many they make, they'll probably SELL OUT immediately they get any stock, if they delayed sale and stock-piled.  At any production rate there is a rate of fabrication/assembly per day.  Suggest you make suggestions.  What would you do: run a daily auction for those assembled on the day?

Disclaimer I am a crypto consultant to Spondoolies, BUT I do not have knowledge of the finance specifics, the above is from public information they intentionally posted to this list to enable readers to do the math, I just got impatient and did the math for you.

Adam
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Is ok were only human
legendary
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Bruno, but they already did delivered on time. They did it last month, they did it this month and i'm sure they will do it in May too. I DO have a SP10 mining right now and i got it a few days earlier than expected. This is the first time in bitcoin mining history when i see this happen.

Bitmain?
OneStringMiner?

A few other times it has happened.

I wasn't aware of this so my mistake.
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
Shipping out soon:


wow that is some sexy hardware. keep it up - I am really looking forwards to the time when the SP10 can ship from stock, or at least less than a few-day pre-ordering
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Spondoolies driver is now in cgminer git master.
Thank you
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legendary
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Ruu \o/
Spondoolies driver is now in cgminer git master.
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Usually, maybe, but not in my case. I don't get paid from anybody to do what I do, nor have ever taken one satoshi as payment, albeit a small handful have donated to Bitcoin 100, et al., letting me know they did such after the fact, but that too is never expected, but much appreciated.

At this penning, I have nothing on Spondoolies (nice word, BTW), albeit three people have emailed me expressing a concern.

Personally, I wouldn't pre-order anything from these guys if I were a miner, for I feel something ain't quite right.

As far as product being delivered on time, that is highly unlikely given that not a single bitcoin miner manufacturer has delivered on time.

I know this is a self-moderated thread, so be forewarned that if any of my posts gets deleted prior to I stating some diatribe (we all hope that such won't be needed and that this outfit proves viable), I will just conduct my investigation a tad sooner.

Meanwhile, I'm curious as to who is doing the actual penning of post under the Spoondoolies user account.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Bruno, but they already did delivered on time. They did it last month, they did it this month and i'm sure they will do it in May too. I DO have a SP10 mining right now and i got it a few days earlier than expected. This is the first time in bitcoin mining history when i see this happen.

Bitmain?
OneStringMiner?

A few other times it has happened.

legendary
Activity: 1904
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Usually, maybe, but not in my case. I don't get paid from anybody to do what I do, nor have ever taken one satoshi as payment, albeit a small handful have donated to Bitcoin 100, et al., letting me know they did such after the fact, but that too is never expected, but much appreciated.

At this penning, I have nothing on Spondoolies (nice word, BTW), albeit three people have emailed me expressing a concern.

Personally, I wouldn't pre-order anything from these guys if I were a miner, for I feel something ain't quite right.

As far as product being delivered on time, that is highly unlikely given that not a single bitcoin miner manufacturer has delivered on time.

I know this is a self-moderated thread, so be forewarned that if any of my posts gets deleted prior to I stating some diatribe (we all hope that such won't be needed and that this outfit proves viable), I will just conduct my investigation a tad sooner.

Meanwhile, I'm curious as to who is doing the actual penning of post under the Spoondoolies user account.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Bruno, but they already did delivered on time. They did it last month, they did it this month and i'm sure they will do it in May too. I DO have a SP10 mining right now and i got it a few days earlier than expected. This is the first time in bitcoin mining history when i see this happen.
newbie
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... There were other problems ...
We've shipped the machine instead of hosting it as requested.
Upon notifying, we've brought another machine online and configured it to the customer wallet.
We're selling ~3% less than our production capacity to allow for RMA, warranties calls, BD, etc.
We've used one of the spare machine to fulfill the hosting.
The solution wasn't on the expanse of any other customer shipping order.

Our hosting solution for April batch is "manual", we'll configure the machine to the customer wallet through Eligius to allow monitoring.

For May batch, we'll give the customers full access through HTTPS to their machines UI.

Zvisha, our SW director already gave a statement regarding burn-in tests. I want to iterate it here:
We're currently doing short burn-in tests on Flextronics factory for few minutes. We found that it's enough.
We want to ship the machines as fast as possible.


That pretty much summarizes it perfectly. He left out that I found the problem with shipping quite late (yesterday night) and they still replied, managed it and put the reserve SP10 to mine to our wallet. +1 to Spondoolies so far.
legendary
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Could you elaborate a LITLLE bit MORE on "plenty"...please...

A simple number should be enough...How many SP10 did you ship up to date...?

20-50-100-500...1000...Just a number...will be "plenty" good... Wink

Spondoolies-Tech...:

Is it so hard to answer a simple question...?

You could round to the nearest 100s...like 200+...or something...

We won't disclose real shipment numbers.
Above 50, less than 1,000 to date.
More of that information asymmetry.
 Wink
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
... There were other problems ...
We've shipped the machine instead of hosting it as requested.
Upon notifying, we've brought another machine online and configured it to the customer wallet.
We're selling ~3% less than our production capacity to allow for RMA, warranties calls, BD, etc.
We've used one of the spare machine to fulfill the hosting.
The solution wasn't on the expanse of any other customer shipping order.

Our hosting solution for April batch is "manual", we'll configure the machine to the customer wallet through Eligius to allow monitoring.

For May batch, we'll give the customers full access through HTTPS to their machines UI.

Zvisha, our SW director already gave a statement regarding burn-in tests. I want to iterate it here:
We're currently doing short burn-in tests on Flextronics factory for few minutes. We found that it's enough.
We want to ship the machines as fast as possible.
newbie
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I can tell our SP10 order was fulfilled yesterday: quite on schedule. There were other problems but delays were not amongst them. We will see about SP30 but up until now these guys are doing a good job with deadlines.

legendary
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dogiecoin.com
The above cropped screenshot was taken from the http://vimeo.com/89415321 video at the 05:00 mark.

Why is the last logged in date 2000-2-18 (Feb. 18, 2000)? If this simple piece of info was changed/altered, how does anybody really know that none of the other info scrolling across the screen was not altered in some way?

Phinn, ask Dogie and Meni to confirm the hardware pls. You're wasting your time here.

The SP-10 is real. I sure hope SP-30 are gonna be on specs.


Erm, its very real.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10
nomatter how much i respect bruno for his investigations on mining companies, it is becoming a habit for him now; to continually troll almost every manufacturer picking holes and trying to expose flaws, whilst someone comes up with alternative reasoning, he tends to completely ignore them.

 Well, he did accept a bribe from a certain community-favorite ASIC manufacturer, so...
sr. member
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Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10


nomatter how much i respect bruno for his investigations on mining companies, it is becoming a habit for him now; to continually troll almost every manufacturer picking holes and trying to expose flaws, whilst someone comes up with alternative reasoning, he tends to completely ignore them.
it often seems all he wants to do is flame tensions between miners.

Ideally, h/w manufacturers threads should be places for technical insight into specific products, shipping estimates, prices et al.

come on guys, it's getting ridiculous now. telling a pan and spade company that they are immoral for selling pans and spades just makes you look like a hurt child. Lets discuss the rigs, and if you don't want one of these rigs, then don't participate.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Guys,
Let's keep the discussion civilized please.

We're committed to distribute the hash-rate. It will become evident very soon.
The days of small DYI miners are almost over. We're preparing for the next phase of mining while taking utmost care to distribute the hash-rate.

Can you please clarify this statement it seems very contradictory.  How can you be working with a goal of spreading the hash-rate when you have the belief that "small" miners will soon be extinct?  This screams centralization of hash power.
By the end of 2014, beginning of 2015, we believe that above 80% of the mining will be done by operators runnig huge data centers or highly specialized IT containers designed for Bitcoin mining only, deployed in places with cheap electricity.
We'll support and promote community efforts to deploy such hash-rate.
I'm vague here on purpose, but we've already started such efforts.

So, those who get miners comes August WILL be in direct competition to the 80% of the commercial miners, of which it would be off their backs that this endeavor is built, thus the small-time miner gets screwed again, and the bitcoin mining manufacturer and commercial hoster comes out smelling like a rose. I beginning to like to you guys.
Hosting is the right solution for Q3 timeframe for small time miners.
Shares in a collective mining operation is the right solution for Q4 onwards.

I'll say that again. We're committed to the distribution of the hash-rate.

Just dont waste time talking back and forth with these guys. Work on the SP30 and release to the public. So far you've done a good job with SP10

Thank you for your kind words. Indeed, I'm going out.
Our teams are hard at work. SP30 and beyond.
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