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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 686. (Read 1260290 times)

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When to expect the bug in noise to be fixed?

We're waiting for answers from Emerson, regarding the needed PSU firmware change.

In the meantime, please consider one of our hosting plans: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/hosting
May SP10 + August SP30 bundle includes two months of free hosting: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/better-together-sp10-sp30-may-august-2-months-free-hosting

One word...Expensive...

Its really not too expensive.

The 1 month hosting = $0.19/kwh and 3 month plan = $0.15/kwh

This includes free maintenance and all the other benefits that come with hosting.

I don't know why they wouldn't go with 2 phase immersion cooling for their datacenter. Would save them 300W per KW.
ZiG
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When to expect the bug in noise to be fixed?

We're waiting for answers from Emerson, regarding the needed PSU firmware change.

In the meantime, please consider one of our hosting plans: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/hosting
May SP10 + August SP30 bundle includes two months of free hosting: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/better-together-sp10-sp30-may-august-2-months-free-hosting

One word...Expensive...
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WTF $0.35/kWh??!!!
When taking into account equipment and maintenance cost, we're actually loosing money on hosting at those prices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing
PUE - 1.3
VAT in Israel (we're taking the hit) - 18%
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending

I've seen and read enough to believe that Spondoolie-Tech is viable.

They also took the time to reply to my posts with kids glove, opting to not delete any, of which goes a long way.

Gods speed, S-T. I'm done here for now, and duly hope I don't need to return.

~Bruno Kucinskas
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When to expect the bug in noise to be fixed?

We're waiting for answers from Emerson, regarding the needed PSU firmware change.

In the meantime, please consider one of our hosting plans: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/hosting
May SP10 + August SP30 bundle includes two months of free hosting: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/better-together-sp10-sp30-may-august-2-months-free-hosting
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totally off-topic  Roll Eyes

I don't entirely agree.

we know.

They no longer need to risk their own cash. They can now risk their customers cash at no risk to themselves, so of course that's what they're going to do.

this is becoming boring, monotonous and repetitive now, can we discuss the actual hardware please?

ADD: so all the while you whinge and moan, why not just get out of bitcoin altogether and leave those who want to participate, to it.
because...

this is becoming boring, monotonous and repetitive now, can we discuss the actual hardware please?
legendary
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totally off-topic  Roll Eyes

I don't entirely agree. Given that the pre-order business model is at best a massive shifting of the manufacturer's business risks to the customers and at worst arguably fraudulent, it is on-topic to warn potential customers about it, and this is one place to do so.

We likely can't get them to put any prominent warnings to that effect on the nice glossy web site but we can put them here (although we can't keep them from "solving" the issue by deleting them)

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legendary
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2) What the hell is wrong with people who keep buying stuff that probably won't make money?

I do know that at least in the US they probably wouldn't be able to run this pre-order scam, because the FTC rules require a seller to give a refund if the promised ship date is missed, and accounting-wise they likely couldn't even book the revenue (or at least not all of it) until finishing the work. In that case they would probably just have to get $20 million of VC money instead of $5 million ($20 million is hardly unobtainable) and the VCs would have to settle for 2500% return in the event of a successful exit instead of 10000%.

But bottom line is that as long as people can't buy this (overpriced IMO) stuff fast enough, the market will find a way to stick it to them.

(All numbers hypothetical of course)

Now you just look foolish.   BFL, Hashfast, Cointerra, Terrahash, VMC/AMC... Holy hell guy.

Some of those have offered (and paid) refunds and some are facing legal trouble. Obviously there are always bad actors, and in a new industry more than usual.

My bottom line comment still applies though.
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2) What the hell is wrong with people who keep buying stuff that probably won't make money?

I do know that at least in the US they probably wouldn't be able to run this pre-order scam, because the FTC rules require a seller to give a refund if the promised ship date is missed, and accounting-wise they likely couldn't even book the revenue (or at least not all of it) until finishing the work. In that case they would probably just have to get $20 million of VC money instead of $5 million ($20 million is hardly unobtainable) and the VCs would have to settle for 2500% return in the event of a successful exit instead of 10000%.

But bottom line is that as long as people can't buy this (overpriced IMO) stuff fast enough, the market will find a way to stick it to them.

(All numbers hypothetical of course)

Now you just look foolish.   BFL, Hashfast, Cointerra, Terrahash, VMC/AMC... Holy hell guy.
legendary
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The other thing is like Spondoolies-Tech said: however many they make, they'll probably SELL OUT immediately they get any stock

1) This is the real issue.

and

2) What the hell is wrong with people who keep buying stuff that probably won't make money?

I do know that at least in the US they probably wouldn't be able to run this pre-order scam, because the FTC rules require a seller to give a refund if the promised ship date is missed, and accounting-wise they likely couldn't even book the revenue (or at least not all of it) until finishing the work. In that case they would probably just have to get $20 million of VC money instead of $5 million ($20 million is hardly unobtainable) and the VCs would have to settle for 2500% return in the event of a successful exit instead of 10000%.

But bottom line is that as long as people can't buy this (overpriced IMO) stuff fast enough, the market will find a way to stick it to them.

(All numbers hypothetical of course)




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They no longer need to risk their own cash. They can now risk their customers cash at no risk to themselves, so of course that's what they're going to do.

this is becoming boring, monotonous and repetitive now, can we discuss the actual hardware please?
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At least thats what I took from reading what was said here - I'm a crypto guy, no manufacturing pipeline experience at all!

It's far more simple than that. They no longer need to risk their own cash. They can now risk their customers cash at no risk to themselves, so of course that's what they're going to do.
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in bitcoin we trust
DO THE MATH.. its gotta be like $20m or something.  Have $20m to lend them?  Maybe get some bitcoin bazillionaire could front it?  [...] Even with huge funds like that its work and time to ramp up production pipeline.  Minimum order time.

Up to here, is doesn't matter whether you are a pre-order company or not. This is just what needs to be done to get off the ground. However, its impossible to do any of this part if you don't have VC, those companies have to do pre-orders to raise the capital to do this part of the business process. Spondoolies didn't, they had enough VC not to do pre-orders. Now maybe they ran out of cash, maybe they didn't, its just as shame they couldn't take that extra step and sell from stock.


continuing the do the math thread $5.5m < $20m and they already spent money they said:

$5.5m - burnrate x 9 months - SP10,SP30 pre-payments to TSMC < $20m

however many they make, they'll probably SELL OUT immediately they get any stock

This here is irrelevant to whether they do pre-orders or build up supply and sell from stock. Once the initial supply of units is in stock you start selling, then once you start selling you start making more units to restock your product ready for new sales. Once you get going you have a constant stream of manufacturing, a minimum level of stock to supply your customers, and a stream of sales that most probably will grow exponentially IMHO.

But Spondoolies-Tech already explained to that these $20m order pipelines that they have to pay up-front are like 3months deep.  Not just TSMC, the other parts.  If they do what you say, their pipeline will be very low capacity.  (You need lots, like > $10m up front cash to build a high capacity pipeline).

So either they raise $20m (or some large amount of cash) or if they follow your advice and fund with sales, there is  a 3month delay in pipeline capacity increases, they produce a trickle of hardware and ramp up really slowly.

At least thats what I took from reading what was said here - I'm a crypto guy, no manufacturing pipeline experience at all!

Adam

(Disclaimer I'm a crypto consultant to Spondoolies)
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Owners of large farms, hardware manufacturers and people sitting on chips must be getting pretty nervous now.

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$390 BTC right now due to news out of China Sad
If this continues there are going to be a lot of people out money with their preorders. Hopefully it pumps up again in the fall like last year.

Owners of large farms, hardware manufacturers and people sitting on chips must be getting pretty nervous now.

remind me how many block halvings we have had to make you so nervous?
still early days if you ask me. farms cash out immediately because they have to to keep up with running costs.
h/w manufacturers who don't sell rigs are sitting on treasure of the future. me? i'd buy a rig now, regardless of difficulty and regardless of price.
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$390 BTC right now due to news out of China Sad
If this continues there are going to be a lot of people out money with their preorders. Hopefully it pumps up again in the fall like last year.

Owners of large farms, hardware manufacturers and people sitting on chips must be getting pretty nervous now.
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Orgasmic view .. i wish they were all mine Cheesy Cheesy they look fabulous


When to expect the bug in noise to be fixed?
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