Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes - page 152. (Read 810098 times)
February 05, 2015, 03:44:14 AM
If I have one card in my comp and mining local to my wallet, I mining in a let's say an "pool" because I point my miner to a server (my wallet). So ... what is a definition for SOLO MINING? Spreadcoin is in fact a solo mining coin (depends of what is understanding everyone from solo mining). Public pool is another thing and SPR is not suitable for it.
February 05, 2015, 03:40:33 AM
So technically,you must admit that spr no-pool feature is untitled.
No, there's no technical basis for your suggestion. I can see how you, a non-native English language speaker, may have picked up on other people being deliberately disingenuous but there's no dissembling or misrepresentation to be addressed. The obvious meaning is the correct one.
It is always possible to construct alternative semantic interpretations of statements in English and in this instance it's a matter of people deliberately choosing to misinterpret in order to disrupt the thread in pursuit of their own agenda.
Cheers
Graham
February 05, 2015, 03:25:52 AM
Be sure to join the new thread!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
Right. Solo mining can be called a private pool or mini pool. I can point my miners from different location to one wallet, and my friends if they want and we trust each other.
This does not make a public pool.
February 05, 2015, 03:22:45 AM
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
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You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
Right. Solo mining can be called a private pool or mini pool. I can point my miners from different location to one wallet, and my friends if they want and we trust each other.
February 05, 2015, 03:19:21 AM
@spreadnode,I read some of the posts in the new thread,it's still full of lies to fool investors.
How about opening a new thread titled 'Some must-know TRUTH&LIES about Spreadcoin' ?
How about opening a new thread titled 'Some must-know TRUTH&LIES about Spreadcoin' ?
February 05, 2015, 03:11:39 AM
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
This is not allowed on nonce pool. Its a closed, trusted group of friends.
Go try to mine on noncepool.
No
The "no-pool" feature disincentivizes pools by allowing miners to be able to steal other miners coins, ie (trusted people only!), not entitled?!.
This is a genius, simple solution to force people to mine solo.
Nowhere does it say "pool's are not allowed in the whitepaper"? And i was never under the impression that you couldn't set a "pool" up.
The thing is, the "pool" would have serious difficulties with security, and would be financially/economically nonviable.
Infact, the SPR community has a bounty for whomever can setup and successfully run a public pool for 30 days. I think the bounty is 3500SPR!
February 05, 2015, 02:53:46 AM
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
This is not allowed on nonce pool. Its a closed, trusted group of friends.
Go try to mine on noncepool.
February 05, 2015, 02:46:22 AM
Be sure to join the new thread!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
This is not allowed on nonce pool. Its a closed, trusted group of friends.
Go try to mine on noncepool.
February 05, 2015, 02:38:20 AM
Be sure to join the new thread!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
February 05, 2015, 02:35:21 AM
Mr. Spread has given us permission to start a new thread here that will be self-moderated. Please join us here and stop using this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
Most EXCELLENT!!!!
Honest and open discussion without the sock puppet terrorists! Woot!
February 05, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
Be sure to join the new thread!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
I will keep posting this question until one of you paranoid delusional freak's answer.
If i have two farms in the same building and point them both to the same miner... I'm i a pool operator?
February 05, 2015, 02:29:14 AM
I forgot to mention
You have to take the (No Pools) out of the ANN
You have to take the (No Pools) out of the ANN
February 05, 2015, 02:04:45 AM
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
You can have this thread back.
I made my point.
I have better things to do than spend my time with a spreadcoin thread.
People will make their own decisions.
I would wish you luck with your endeavor. But I don't.
February 05, 2015, 12:30:41 AM
Be sure to join the new thread!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
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February 04, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
I don't know him other than reading his posts. Same as I know you. But you can never really know anyone that you've only interacted with over the internet.
I bet that you, me, MyFarm, and Hippie Tech could all sit down together, have a few beers and all laugh and tell stories for hours.
Rum would help...can't just have beer.
That said, I read pretty much all of this and think that if people were probing then it was pretty invasive. But perhaps people think that is necessary since "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
Evidence is still in transit, in my opinion.
I'm an SPR supporter and the little time I have had was used spent catching up on reading...which has been an interesting exercise in eye twitching. Thanks for all the fish.
February 04, 2015, 11:28:49 PM
Actually, there also those who might be interested in buying into a project, and becoming part of the community, but want to probe before jumping in.
So let them probe.
If it isn't sock puppet bullshit, I am sure they will be able to get all the information they need in the new thread or on Spreadcointalk.org. And they won't have to go through hundreds of pages of crap to get an honest answer. This thread has been turned into nothing but a hater sock puppet hall of fame. Being that I am about 99.9% sure that most of these puppets are just a couple of individuals, even if Mr. Spread doesn't shut it down, I am sure they will get tired of hating by themselves and this mess of idiocy will wilt away on its own soon enough... Good riddance.
February 04, 2015, 10:57:40 PM
Mr. Spread has given us permission to start a new thread here that will be self-moderated. Please join us here and stop using this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-spreadcoin-true-decentralization-no-pools-testing-new-masternodes-945972
Most EXCELLENT!!!!
Honest and open discussion without the sock puppet terrorists! Woot!
February 04, 2015, 10:50:35 PM
Also, a true solo only coin would make it much more difficult for these large farms to come in and rape the coin.
So what you want is not to get rid of pools, but of large farms. In my opinion, this is bad, really bad. Borderline communist even. In capitalism, you try to avoid cartels and monopolies, not to forcefully redistribute riches in a "fair" way. In this context, pools are cartels that concentrate the hash power they do not own and put the whole market at risk! As with cartels, they do not control the money itself, but they have the power to decide who gets it. That's the bad thing about pools, if you believe in free markets, of course!
You must be lost. I want a true solo only coin that can't be mined on pools. There is no way that you can keep large farms from mining coins with their hardware. But a true solo coin would make it so they couldn't point all their hash at one place.
This is what you guys do, deflect and discredit. You are now trying to change the narrative and say that I'm not trying to get rid of pools but large farms. You then follow up with your propaganda and insert communism into the mix. Anything that you can do to change the narrative and and redirect the argument to discredit me. Go ahead and keep attacking me I don't care. The more you attack the more you reveal yourself.
The method Mr. Spread used is the best you can come up with - at least without redesigning the whole PoW system. It has to be so anyone can mine, and if anyone can get work and submit work, multiple machines can. If you prohibit this in the daemon, someone will build a better daemon. What cannot be circumvented without a hard fork and everyone using a different client is the fact you must be able to spend the coinbase transaction to mine a Spread block.
You are correct.
This drama could have been ended with three words.
Yes Pools Exist
That's all that had to be said. Instead they went into denial mode. That showed that they were not being truthful. It's that simple. It's too bad all this drama had to happen because these guys would not simply admit that a pool existed. As with everything it's the cover up that causes the problem. It's the same with politics, business, and most other activities. Once they decided to double down and deny that a pool existed when in fact it did their credibility was shot.
I'm sorry, but i haven't read the thread with the same eyes as you. I have seen several people explaining that yes, there are pools, but they did not defeat the purpose of decentralization since anyone of the mines could steal the profits from the pool, so they would never be able to grow.
And then some people with big red letters started spamming like mad and all went to hell. I myself wrote several explanations about the pool thing, about the wild conspiracy theory againts wolf0 and about the "lost wallet" episode. Haven't seen anyone denying those things, only pissed off because "big red letters" would not stop repeating the same thing over and over, despite they all having being already addressed.
February 04, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
I'm thinking of buying the optimized miner, making it public, and relaunching this coin with the miner available for everyone at launch.
The first order of business is making sure that it is solo only. And as far as I am concerned that should have been priority number one before myfarm got here and pushed his ponzinodes on everyone. I believe that a solo only coin is a winner. Something that anyone can mine and everyone has an equal chance to get coins. That was what I thought this coin was but then that changed and it got hijacked and turned into just another pump and dump by mrfarm after he bought up a huge percentage of available spreadcoin and then got the optimized miner for him and his buddies. His obvious pump and dump scheme was the last straw.
Anyone that wants to get involved and contribute let me know. We can get together on skype or pm me and work out details. The original concept of this coin was great. Unfortunately that greatness got overtaken by greed.
Lets make a real cryptocurrency for everyone where everyone is equal. Well at least as equal as can be. Nothing is ever going to be perfect but we can try.
Let me know.
Thanks
The first order of business is making sure that it is solo only. And as far as I am concerned that should have been priority number one before myfarm got here and pushed his ponzinodes on everyone. I believe that a solo only coin is a winner. Something that anyone can mine and everyone has an equal chance to get coins. That was what I thought this coin was but then that changed and it got hijacked and turned into just another pump and dump by mrfarm after he bought up a huge percentage of available spreadcoin and then got the optimized miner for him and his buddies. His obvious pump and dump scheme was the last straw.
Anyone that wants to get involved and contribute let me know. We can get together on skype or pm me and work out details. The original concept of this coin was great. Unfortunately that greatness got overtaken by greed.
Lets make a real cryptocurrency for everyone where everyone is equal. Well at least as equal as can be. Nothing is ever going to be perfect but we can try.
Let me know.
Thanks
I hereby dub thee, "Aequitas Coin".
Tip : Pools will become obsolete if/when the coin becomes the pool.
"Communist Coin" might be a better name! But hey, that's your coin, call it whatever you want!
Don't even bother with that fascist run commie vs capitalist bullshit.
Your days of gluttoney are numbered. Get used to it.
Your posts always get to the point with a tinge of humor. I like it.
He's got this wild conspiracy theory about me; you should ask him sometime.
I don't know him other than reading his posts. Same as I know you. But you can never really know anyone that you've only interacted with over the internet.
I bet that you, me, MyFarm, and Hippie Tech could all sit down together, have a few beers and all laugh and tell stories for hours.
February 04, 2015, 10:44:21 PM
Also, a true solo only coin would make it much more difficult for these large farms to come in and rape the coin.
So what you want is not to get rid of pools, but of large farms. In my opinion, this is bad, really bad. Borderline communist even. In capitalism, you try to avoid cartels and monopolies, not to forcefully redistribute riches in a "fair" way. In this context, pools are cartels that concentrate the hash power they do not own and put the whole market at risk! As with cartels, they do not control the money itself, but they have the power to decide who gets it. That's the bad thing about pools, if you believe in free markets, of course!
You must be lost. I want a true solo only coin that can't be mined on pools. There is no way that you can keep large farms from mining coins with their hardware. But a true solo coin would make it so they couldn't point all their hash at one place.
This is what you guys do, deflect and discredit. You are now trying to change the narrative and say that I'm not trying to get rid of pools but large farms. You then follow up with your propaganda and insert communism into the mix. Anything that you can do to change the narrative and and redirect the argument to discredit me. Go ahead and keep attacking me I don't care. The more you attack the more you reveal yourself.
The method Mr. Spread used is the best you can come up with - at least without redesigning the whole PoW system. It has to be so anyone can mine, and if anyone can get work and submit work, multiple machines can. If you prohibit this in the daemon, someone will build a better daemon. What cannot be circumvented without a hard fork and everyone using a different client is the fact you must be able to spend the coinbase transaction to mine a Spread block.
You are correct.
This drama could have been ended with three words.
Yes Pools Exist
That's all that had to be said. Instead they went into denial mode. That showed that they were not being truthful. It's that simple. It's too bad all this drama had to happen because these guys would not simply admit that a pool existed. As with everything it's the cover up that causes the problem. It's the same with politics, business, and most other activities. Once they decided to double down and deny that a pool existed when in fact it did their credibility was shot.
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