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legendary
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Hi guys

Just one question to ask.  After all the confusion with NXT and NXTJ and asset price crashes is Supernet going to be independent of NXT or still operate as part of NXT?

Cheers Jon  Huh

SuperNET is sompletely independent of NXT. All the required NXT functionality has been reimplemented independently into SuperNET (Iguana) itself.
hero member
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I'm on drugs, what's your excuse?
Hi guys

Just one question to ask.  After all the confusion with NXT and NXTJ and asset price crashes is Supernet going to be independent of NXT or still operate as part of NXT?

Cheers Jon  Huh
hero member
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Hey guys,

I have/had a few BTC worth of UNITY on Bter which I tried to move to another wallet. It has disappeared from my Bter account, but is not visible in the explorer.

I've opened a ticket with Bter, who replied:

"It is still in processing status. It it yet to be sent. I am afraid it may still take a while before it going through

if you want it cancelled, please let me know"


It's been 72 hours since I made the transaction and I got the Bter reply 30 hours after the UNITY went AWOL.

Are others having similar issues with Bter?
legendary
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Bulletproof VPS/VPN/Email @ BadAss.Sx
Sounds promising...hope James gets this from the ground. I am looking for a descent client, although Electrum seems to do it for me.
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What is Iguana?
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/iguana-parallel-sync-full-btc-blockchain-in-30-minutes-uses-half-the-space-but-starts-up-instant.911/

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iguana is bitcoin core, client, RPC server and more.

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The goal for iguana is to create a scalable bitcoin core implementation that is backward compatible and a drop in replacement

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In addition to the bitcoin code, there is also an atomic swap DEX, decentralized poker and beginnings of private chains,

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a oneclick install across all the OS is basically done. and a full bitcoin implementation that fits into 3MB, runs in browsers, has built in atomic cross chain swaps with a range of altcoins, decentralized poker, etc. SuperNET has several GUI projects that build on top of iguana, for the wallet (stripped down copay wallet) it will just use the bitcoin RPC, so the GUI will work with normal bitcoind.

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iguana is still young, but already it proves that bitcoin can easily scale to max tx capacity without causing any issues for the typical nodes.
legendary
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Gavin Andreson : "There are lots of optimizations needed, and lots of ideas for best way to optimize.  I am very happy to see things like the 'iguana' project that is single-mindedly focusing on techniques to improve performance"

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legendary
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Perhaps you should talk to John Connor of Vanillacoin. I think both of you are a dreamteam and his work is outstanding
newbie
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For those not following NXT, I have been divorced from NXT.

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A passport system for assets that allows the asset holder to decide the blockchain they want to reside in. While the PoS mechanism is fully protecting the NXT holders as designed, it allows the creation of a hardfork that ignores other parts of the ecosystem, like assets.

James, have you considered starting a 'relationship' with Qora after your divorce from NXT?

I think you would find the Qora dev team very easy to work with on something like your asset passports protocol.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/declaration-of-independence-atomic-cross-chain-asset-standard-1372879

 Any current or future blockchain is invited to join.
hero member
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For those not following NXT, I have been divorced from NXT.

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A passport system for assets that allows the asset holder to decide the blockchain they want to reside in. While the PoS mechanism is fully protecting the NXT holders as designed, it allows the creation of a hardfork that ignores other parts of the ecosystem, like assets.

James, have you considered starting a 'relationship' with Qora after your divorce from NXT?

I think you would find the Qora dev team very easy to work with on something like your asset passports protocol.
legendary
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I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

I think Factom and a dozen other start-ups/altcoins are working on decentralized asset ownership across blockchains.

Why not work with them instead of doing it solo?

Join the ETH/Rootstock ecosystem.  You can't do it all by yourself.  Not even with the power of Java Class Libraries!   Tongue

No factom is a record keeping and registry system that has it's own blockchain and distributed nodes to store the data, while keeping/registering the hashes on the bitcoin blockchain. It isn't really about assets like Counterpary, Clearninghouse and NXT AE are.

Let us give icebreaker the benefit of doubt. He is making posts that are potentially useful, which by itself shows that the apocalypse is around the corner or was it 1000 years of peace and happiness?

The "working on" maybe means internal projects?

As to ether blockchain size, that has always been my prediction, if it succeeds it will become self-limiting and if it doesnt, then it didnt succeed.

By self-limiting,  mean the cost of using it will become so expensive that only the most high value applications will be able to run on it, like big money things. Contracts, titles and deeds, things like that. With the massive global supercomputer's CPU power equivalent to circa 2000 smartphone (that is ethereum's own estimate), I dont see how a lot of computation can be done.

The 20GB/yr pace is during the experimentation phase. Maybe it will get to be 100GB/yr or 1TB/yr? Nobody knows. And at that point, pruning is vital, but pruning means a whole order of magnitude more difficult security issues that need to be solved.

My view is that centralized decentralization is self-limiting.

We need to decentralize the decentralization.

Think of assets that run on just one blockchain. It is now relying on that blockchain, so even though the blockchain is decentralized, the assets have to trust that the blockchain wont harm them via the hardfork attack. Derived cryptos (things on top of native crypto) have no direct protection from the underlying PoW/PoS/PoWhatever, so there needs to be another means of protection of assets.

Mobility.

Blockchains evolve slowly, so as long as assets can be mobile, then it is safe from the hardfork attack. Now we just need an asset passport system to enable this mobility

James
legendary
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I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

I think Factom and a dozen other start-ups/altcoins are working on decentralized asset ownership across blockchains.

Why not work with them instead of doing it solo?

Join the ETH/Rootstock ecosystem.  You can't do it all by yourself.  Not even with the power of Java Class Libraries!   Tongue

No factom is a record keeping and registry system that has it's own blockchain and distributed nodes to store the data, while keeping/registering the hashes on the bitcoin blockchain. It isn't really about assets like Counterpary, Clearninghouse and NXT AE are.
legendary
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9GB chain after half a year??? WTF! That ain't good....certainly not on production level. Damn!
legendary
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I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

I think Factom and a dozen other start-ups/altcoins are working on decentralized asset ownership across blockchains.

Why not work with them instead of doing it solo?

Join the ETH/Rootstock ecosystem.  You can't do it all by yourself.  Not even with the power of Java Class Libraries!   Tongue
I have no plans to do it alone, it is a call for interop standard, as in interoperabilty

I wasnt aware Factom was working on this, thanks. I think that was actually useful. Who are you?

What is this about java class stuff? I am strictly C. And by "solve" i mean an acceptable way to deal with assets from the investor point of view, not about making new tech. If an off the shelf solution solves this, then certainly that is strongly considered.

James

P.S. 9GB chain after half a year... Not sure I can signup for using something  cant run on my laptop. pruning 0.12 bitcoind finally lets me run bitcoind on my laptop so I lean toward BTC oriented solution
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

I think Factom and a dozen other start-ups/altcoins are working on decentralized asset ownership across blockchains.

Why not work with them instead of doing it solo?

Join the ETH/Rootstock ecosystem.  You can't do it all by yourself.  Not even with the power of Java Class Libraries!   Tongue
legendary
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Please finish existing projects before starting a new one like https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/declaration-of-independence-atomic-cross-chain-asset-standard-1372879.
The (f)NXT2.0 plans will take more than a year to be realized by the NXT devs anyway. No need to rush.
Of course.

However many investors were very nervous and I needed a roadmap to safety. And a multiblockchain standard is not about coding, but more about standards setting. Also it will necessarily be very slow.

My first responsibility is to all the people that invested in my projects. Which usually means I am coding, but sometimes it requires to solve a way to decentralize asset ownership across blockchains

James
sr. member
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Please finish existing projects before starting a new one like https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/declaration-of-independence-atomic-cross-chain-asset-standard-1372879.
The (f)NXT2.0 plans will take more than a year to be realized by the NXT devs anyway. No need to rush.
legendary
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For those not following NXT, I have been divorced from NXT.

https://nxtforum.org/core-development-discussion/nxt-2-0-design/msg210601/#msg210601

The above is my last post in the NXT forum, unless the fNXT plan is revoked. fNXT is not NXT and NXT lifetime is limited, so we will need to migrate the NXT assets to a different blockchain.

Now before you panic, I like to make lemonade out of lemons, so like BC2 led to iguana, fNXT has led to: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/declaration-of-independence-atomic-cross-chain-asset-standard-1372879

A passport system for assets that allows the asset holder to decide the blockchain they want to reside in. While the PoS mechanism is fully protecting the NXT holders as designed, it allows the creation of a hardfork that ignores other parts of the ecosystem, like assets.

This is a problem for any derivative. The core PoS or PoW or PoAnything will only protect the interests of the stakeholders, miners or whatever, that the block consensus algorithm uses. As such the hardfork attack vector is a very real and actual in the case of fNXT hardfork.

So while the PoS ensures that the NXT holders (including SuperNET) will vote for the fNXT hardfork out of their fiduciary duty to maximize revenues, there are no protections for asset holders or issuers. In some sense the PoS worked too well, instead of not well enough and it needs to be weakened.

Does this mean decentralized assets are dead?
Not at all!

This attack vector directly led me to create a solution, namely blockchain independent assets that is blockchain enforced. It does require all participating blockchains to implement an asset passport protocol, but the ones that do will allow for free travel among them.

blockchains with iron curtains that dont allow anybody to come in, still wont be able to prevent assets from leaving as long as there is a burn mechanism. So far all blockchains I have seen have either a direct burn method, or one can be devised.

That means that any blockchain that doesnt support asset immigration, is subject to a oneway outflow to ones that do. This is basically the SuperNET concept applied to assets and iguana tech will build into BTCD the ability to trade against BTC using BTCD's one minute block times but to be able to coldstore idle assets in the BTC blockchain. Even if they are in cold storage, it just means that they cannot be traded and all the dividends they earn will still go to your account.

How does this protect assets from the hardfork attack?
Simple. If an upcoming hardfork threatens your interests, just move to a different blockchain.

Even if a blockchain just increases taxes (txfees) and you want a lower cost blockchain, you can move.

If a blockchain just is slow to create useful tech, you can move to one that does.

By distributing an asset across multiple decentralized (or even distributed) blockchains appears to be the best protection available to derived crypto. The alternative is a new blockchain for each asset using itself as its PoS with blocks generated only when there is a transaction. Private chains are coming, but this seems excessive use of the blockchain "hammer" from the toolkit. And it creates a massive N*N problem of cross chain transactions for all such assetchains.

With asset passports, you just reside your assets where you are most actively using the local blockchain and since trading against the native currency of the blockchain is most efficient (it better be!) you will be able to take advantage of this affinity. But if ever some storm clouds appear, you can simply move to a safer blockchain.

BTC is here to stay. Certainly as the reference currency, but even the tech development pace is starting to accelerate, so this is encouraging for all of crypto. iguana is achieving less than an hour BTC blockchain sync for full 60 GB blockchain, so the problem I used to think was so big a problem is not so big anymore. bitcoin 0.12 supports pruning, so HDD space is also going to be an issue not so important. Most importantly, I will be able to run a bitcoind node on my laptop!

So why not everything BTC? Well if you ever are waiting for a trade to go through, you know that waiting even a minute is a long time. Try waiting 10 minutes. Just not a good experience. So I will make a hybrid system combining the speed of BTCD 1 minute blocks with BTC for long term storage. Trading against BTC should really be a requirement, but not sure if all passport enable blockchains will be able to do this, so it would probably need to be a strong recommendation.

iguana unites all the bitcoin compatibles using technology. It is inching toward completion and we even have a freelancer based GUI dev team now, using fully open source development.

docs.supernet.org shows the API and in spite of the external events that keep happening to cause delays, we still march on. This is a marathon and we will complete it.

James

P.S. Before any NXT holder panics, do not worry, NXT peoples are doing everything they can, literally, to make sure NXT goes up, so it seems pretty likely that NXT price will do just fine. I just have some ideological and technical disagreements and since I have no actual power within NXT, I was forced to move.
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