ANN threads shouldn't be self-moderated

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Quote from: joniboini on September 24, 2019, 01:59:20 AM

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated. ....

Scam accusations are not moderated. Just do what suchmoon suggested, start a new one.
Which rule said 'scam spamming' is forbidden btw?

Hi,

While searching for answers we found this guideline created by our moderater:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

where we found these two examples

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Examples:

1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

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Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

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Quote from: pandukelana2712 on September 23, 2019, 02:55:08 PM

Seriously? Is there chopper member exist here?

Yes, one of them is hilariousandco

I think now it is time to look back the ANN thread of theymos, when he enabled the option for self-moderated threads.
From which, there are two main objectives of self-moderated threads:

Owners only want to collect posts that reply to them, not to others in their self-moderated threads.
Posts reply to other respondents (not threads' owners) will be judged by owners and delete or not delete will depends on their perspective as well as their mood.

Basically, there is nothing wrong if a user posts in a self-moderated thread and minutes or hours later see that post deleted. It is the 'worst' case that poster should aware of at beginnings.

Quote from: theymos on March 13, 2013, 09:52:59 PM

In most sections, you now have the option of marking topics self-moderated when creating them. In self-moderated topics, the OP can delete replies. The option for enabling this is under "additional options". Topics cannot be converted to self-moderated topics after creation.

There are no rules to self-moderation. In self-moderated threads, replies belong to the OP. In other threads, replies belong to the respondents individually. Think carefully about whether you want to reply to a self-moderated topic, as your post may not be given due respect.

Tell me if there are any bugs. If this ends up not working out well, I might remove it.

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Quote from: pandukelana2712 on September 23, 2019, 02:55:08 PM

Selfmoderates is not used for deleting every post contrary to OP.

This depends entirely on the OP. Sure, a good OP won't do that, but some will do.

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated. ....

Scam accusations are not moderated. Just do what suchmoon suggested, start a new one.
Which rule said 'scam spamming' is forbidden btw?

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Quote from: Lafu on September 04, 2019, 03:08:06 PM

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Selfmoderated Threads can be done with min of 5 Merits or something like that and also maybe Chopper Members can do it !
Would be nice if that gets inplemented from theymos !

Seriously? Is there chopper member exist here?

Selfmoderates is not used for deleting every post contrary to OP.
I ever discuss about it on my local board.
The conclusion of my discussion, OP can delete the user posts if the posts are repeat another post above (spam) or the post have bad language/behaviour (nice project, good luck, profitable work, etc).
Otherwise, if the user posts have contrary with OP, they must discuss till have conclusions and agreement. They must show valid proof and literary.

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Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 10:20:02 AM

Excellent excellent. so while you found one repeating post which is made on whole pages full off repeating post (which i find rebuttal) we agree that this isn't exactly approved on?

There is a lot more than one. And whataboutism is a dumb defense strategy, typical for scammers. Create a self-modded thread and rot there. Forum rules still apply in self-modded threads though so you might want to read up on it.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 23, 2019, 09:18:18 AM

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 08:12:00 AM

Yes I have read the rules. What is it exactly you mean where we don’t follow the rules? And where the rest we complain about are according to the rules? And you also thanks for a civil conversation.

You haven't. You multipost like crazy, and that's not even accounting for all your sockpuppets. Most of your "rebuttals" are low-value garbage. There is some copy-pasta as well:

Quote from: ?? on ??

In case anyone would have missed it.

2019 will be a great year for Bankera.

XRP recently added to the exchange and a lot off updates are coming up for the exchange.
More coins/tokens to be added in the coming weeks.
Cards are coming back.
Loans recently launched
Iban opening up.
They are opening offices in multiple EEA
Marketing starting soon! (with known youtubers)

Quote from: huup on August 10, 2019, 07:54:02 AM

i case anyone would have missed it.

2019 will be a great year for Bankera.

XRP recently added to the exchange and a lot off updates are coming up for the exchange.
More coins/tokens to be added in the coming weeks.
Cards are coming back.
Loans recently launched
Iban opening up.
They are opening offices in multiple EEA
Marketing starting soon! (with known youtubers)

Excellent excellent. so while you found one repeating post which is made on whole pages full off repeating post (which i find rebuttal) we agree that this isn't exactly approved on?

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 05:37:32 PM

Quote from: mosprognoz on September 12, 2019, 05:09:42 PM

Quote from: minotawr on September 12, 2019, 01:37:39 PM

I'm Lithuanian myself. I remember long time ago i was searching for Spectrocoin office. This one:
UAB Spectro Finance
Vilniaus g. 31
Vilnius LT-01402
Lithuania
And guess what? It does not exists. I asked some people in that building, but they never heard about spectrocoin.
And the telephone +44 20 3769 5474 is fake too.

Great news. Fake addresses, fake promises... The word FAKE is very closely associated with bankera.

Yes the number for sure is fake, I dialled it to test.

Another thing, the address they gave for the UK is a mailing address - they do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

Thankfully the Spectrocoin/Bankera drama is falling apart as they are now being scrutinised more and more

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 05:57:25 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 05:37:32 PM

Quote from: mosprognoz on September 12, 2019, 05:09:42 PM

Quote from: minotawr on September 12, 2019, 01:37:39 PM

I'm Lithuanian myself. I remember long time ago i was searching for Spectrocoin office. This one:
UAB Spectro Finance
Vilniaus g. 31
Vilnius LT-01402
Lithuania
And guess what? It does not exists. I asked some people in that building, but they never heard about spectrocoin.
And the telephone +44 20 3769 5474 is fake too.

Great news. Fake addresses, fake promises... The word FAKE is very closely associated with bankera.

Yes the number for sure is fake, I dialled it to test.

Another thing, the address they gave for the UK is a mailing address - they do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

Thankfully the Spectrocoin/Bankera drama is falling apart as they are now being scrutinised more and more

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 06:07:04 PM

Quote from: gorbal on September 12, 2019, 02:30:59 PM

Exchange 24H Volume = 3 000 https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges/bankera

Token 24H volume = 25 000 https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bankera/

They provide fake volumes and fake company details too

Fake phone number, fake address in the UK. They do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 06:10:30 PM

Quote from: gorbal on September 12, 2019, 02:28:21 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 02:11:51 PM

And this exchange is supposed to be the centrepiece attraction of the whole Bankera ecosystem?

It has $3000 in 24 hour trade volumes, how can anybody take this useless "project" seriously?

And just compare the rates with other exchanges. Nobody with clear mind will trade on that exchange. Just two words. GREEDY SCAMMERS

Yes they are greedy scammers

but they need sock-puppets to pump their propaganda in their threads

Bankera = SCAM

Spectrocoin = SCAM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 06:15:16 PM

These scammers from Spectrocoin/Bankera have been exposed

Fake phone number, fake address in the UK. They do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

So no defence provided by the sock-puppet team that are pumping Spectrocoin/Bankera:

JohnnyBTC197
Bankera
huup
SpectroCoin_support

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 06:18:33 PM

I will add these super scammer evil pathetic imbeciles from Spectrocoin/Bankera to my Scam Alert thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-list-created-by-jollygood-5146438

Fake phone number, fake address in the UK. They do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

So no defence provided by the sock-puppet team that are pumping Spectrocoin/Bankera:

JohnnyBTC197
Bankera
huup
SpectroCoin_support

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 06:26:29 PM

Fake phone number, fake address in the UK. They do not have an office there: Kemp House, 160 City Road, London EC1V 2NX

It costs around 100 EURO a year to get permission to use that address as a company mailing address and that address is shared by many companies: https://yourvirtualofficelondon.co.uk/

According to this link there are over 1000 companies that have used the same address as a "mailing address" but have never actually existed there, it just looks nice to put on websites and company documents to fool people in to thinking they are a big company with an office in London, UK: http://www.ukaddressbook.uk/a/kemp-house-152-160-city-road-london-ec1v-2nx

Quote from: JollyGood on September 13, 2019, 05:04:47 AM

Quote from: JohnnyBTC197 on September 13, 2019, 01:37:46 AM

I am wondering why they are starting all over again with the same stuff we had over and over again before Huh

Regarding the offices (we had this topic before...):

There is lithuanian TV documentation regarding Fintech and Blockchain in Lithuania showing
Bankera and their offices.

You can see the full documentation with even more of their offices here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KS-F4Z7eE&t=623s

But the whole documentation is probably faked like the moon landing Wink

And also Lon Wong, the former president of the NEM foundation, had a due dilligence at one of their offices in the very beginning:

His tweet regarding the office (with picture): https://twitter.com/2017lon/status/908334221013471232

Why wonder? The answer is clear... you are a sock-puppet belonging to the Spectrocoin/Bankera scammers

100 EURO a year is all it costs to receive mail at the UK 'office'. You and your ilk are a bunch of pathetic imbeciles.

Quote from: JollyGood on September 13, 2019, 05:57:50 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 05:37:32 PM

I asked many times to post a video from bankera's office taken by simple mobile phone, but of course my request was rejected by bankera scammers.

I added both Bankera and Spectrocoin to my scam alert signature and also them along with their sock-puppets to my Scam Alert thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-list-created-by-jollygood-5146438

Quote from: JollyGood on September 13, 2019, 06:53:04 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: JollyGood on September 12, 2019, 05:37:32 PM

I asked many times to post a video from bankera's office taken by simple mobile phone, but of course my request was rejected by bankera scammers.

Bankera/Spectrocoin are scammers that use mailing addresses to pass off as their own company office address.

Their UK phone number is dead - just like their project

Their sock-puppet accounts can post here as much as they want with repeat large images from repeat posts made many months ago but they will not be able to stop those of us that want to expose the Bankera/Spectrocoin scammers

I added both Bankera and Spectrocoin to my scam alert signature and also them along with their sock-puppets to my Scam Alert thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-list-created-by-jollygood-5146438

Quote from: JollyGood on September 13, 2019, 01:23:24 PM

Quote from: kruglikov on September 13, 2019, 11:56:15 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 13, 2019, 10:45:42 AM

Does anybody know how many millions the Spectrocoin/Bankera scammers stole from the ICO?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52066448

Thank you for the information.

The Spectrocoin/Bankera scammers stole millions. I wonder how many of those funds can be traced back to their hideout in Lithuania?

SCAM

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Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 08:12:00 AM

Yes I have read the rules. What is it exactly you mean where we don’t follow the rules? And where the rest we complain about are according to the rules? And you also thanks for a civil conversation.

You haven't. You multipost like crazy, and that's not even accounting for all your sockpuppets. Most of your "rebuttals" are low-value garbage. There is some copy-pasta as well:

Quote from: ?? on ??

In case anyone would have missed it.

2019 will be a great year for Bankera.

XRP recently added to the exchange and a lot off updates are coming up for the exchange.
More coins/tokens to be added in the coming weeks.
Cards are coming back.
Loans recently launched
Iban opening up.
They are opening offices in multiple EEA
Marketing starting soon! (with known youtubers)

Quote from: huup on August 10, 2019, 07:54:02 AM

i case anyone would have missed it.

2019 will be a great year for Bankera.

XRP recently added to the exchange and a lot off updates are coming up for the exchange.
More coins/tokens to be added in the coming weeks.
Cards are coming back.
Loans recently launched
Iban opening up.
They are opening offices in multiple EEA
Marketing starting soon! (with known youtubers)

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Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 08:12:00 AM

Yes I have read the rules. What is it exactly you mean where we don’t follow the rules? And where the rest we complain about are according to the rules? And you also thanks for a civil conversation.

The main 2 reasons why posts get deleted are:

- consecutive posting in a thread: bumping a thread by posting 2 times in a row. If you wrote the last comment in a thread, edit your comment if you have something new to say, don't post a new comment.

- spam / off-topic: posting stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. In my experience, even if a post has just 1% to do with a topic, it will be considered on-topic and won't be removed.

Pretty much any sort of racism, sexism, hate speech or other distasteful talk is allowed here, so long as it isn't violating any laws (for example, no threats to commit personal harm).

You can even make outlandish claims about being extorted without any evidence to back them if you want, and the mods will not remove them. Wink

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 23, 2019, 08:06:33 AM

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated.

Lock the old thread, start a new one.

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:51:20 AM

The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to.

Sure, admins care so much about your scammy shitcoin... you should consider reading the rules perhaps.

Yes I have read the rules. What is it exactly you mean where we don’t follow the rules? And where the rest we complain about are according to the rules? And you also thanks for a civil conversation.

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Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated.

Lock the old thread, start a new one.

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:51:20 AM

The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to.

Sure, admins care so much about your scammy shitcoin... you should consider reading the rules perhaps.

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Quote from: ahmadakbari on September 23, 2019, 07:30:33 AM

Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

You can simply report any post you want to moderators. Posts containing links, advertising and any kind of spam will be deleted by moderators just after they are seen.

Yes it should be like that. But I think we have reported it more then 100 times now between us as users. The feeling that starts to rise is that the admins are in it to. Nothing happens even worse. They start deleting our rebuttal.

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Quote from: huup on September 23, 2019, 07:24:01 AM

I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

You can simply report any post you want to moderators. Posts containing links, advertising and any kind of spam will be deleted by moderators just after they are seen.

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I wish our thread was self moderated. We have so much scam spamming we can’t even read normal messages anymore and the admins refuse to act on it. I see the problem that deleting negativity isn’t good. But our thread is completely taken over with: insults, personal threads, discrimination. Homophobia and scam spamming which is all forbidden. Multiple users have complained and try reporting it on multiple levels. Nothing happens. I know now the discussion is being held to not engage with this platform anymore as it is lacking the professionalism.
It’s a shame, so yes I would definitely vote for self moderation.

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I see nothing wrong with self-moderated post on ANN thread. If you have any difficulties about their vision or purpose, you asked question for clarification. That's why the self-moderated topic are been created for answers

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If any Ann contains only positive statements in comments, also those spammy comments, "nice project" then it should be red flag in itself.

Every thing has two sides, positive and negative.

I would leave it as it is.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2019, 11:06:39 AM

Patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
No-bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol;nobounty. You can find spam posts outside bounty threads.

The links you posted are really helpful. Before your post, I didn't know there is possibility of having the last posts all in one page. I would like to know if it is possible to have these posts excluding bounty threads and posts made on local boards.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2019, 11:06:39 AM

Thanks

I am well aware of those links

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Quote from: dkbit98 on September 06, 2019, 10:51:22 AM

Do you know how many topics and posts I reported just few days ago
that created malicious virus spreading topics and post?

Who knows? It is your personal favorite work. Shocked

You don't need to actively post in any board or sub-board in order to report spam posts. You can spend a few minutes a day to visit two pages:
Patrol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
No-bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol;nobounty. You can find spam posts outside bounty threads.
Skimming posts at two pages will save time, rather than skimming topics.

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I agree on this. But if this cannot be changed then my stand remains that ANN moderated threads aren't reliable and truthful enough. People can create separate accusation threads though there is no assurance that ANN participants can see it without doing extra research.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 06, 2019, 10:47:21 AM

Do you know how many topics and posts I reported just few days ago
that created malicious virus spreading topics and post?

It was not posted on Bounty section.

PS
Restrictions I proposed are for SELF-MODERATOR topics and Newbie accounts

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