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Topic: [ANN] [VELD] - Veldspar - A new type of coin, trying to solve different problems - page 3. (Read 4401 times)

sr. member
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So I tried compiling the miner from source again and it still continues to crash, however I tried using the pre-compiled from the github and it works fine.

Very strange is it different types of miners? In this case, the team must be corrected and equated with what is on the githab to everyone else. I usually just from what I put in the githab always take because the site is easier to hack and put the virus but the githab hack is harder.
legendary
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So I tried compiling the miner from source again and it still continues to crash, however I tried using the pre-compiled from the github and it works fine.
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I should say for any spectators, feedback and suggestions are always welcome.  This is not a situation where one dev (who is not an economist) just arbitrarily makes decisions that affects the input people have already made, and only as a community of interested parties can we find a solution that meets the needs of many.

The reason to do things differently is to try and solve the issues facing current systems, so to that end, the best way to avoid them it to identify them early and make good decisions and that can only happen from feedback.

I like the idea of denominations like FIA, I also believe that this notation can make it easier for non crypto gurus understand how this tokens works.

Smiley
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I should say for any spectators, feedback and suggestions are always welcome.  This is not a situation where one dev (who is not an economist) just arbitrarily makes decisions that affects the input people have already made, and only as a community of interested parties can we find a solution that meets the needs of many.

The reason to do things differently is to try and solve the issues facing current systems, so to that end, the best way to avoid them it to identify them early and make good decisions and that can only happen from feedback.
copper member
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As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?

The interesting part if you read the original post is that it has "No fixed reward and no fixed supply", depending on mining power it will adjust accordingly if I understand correctly.

There is no calculable supply.  Only a likelihood:  So for instance there are about:

1.206*10^24 possible ore positions:

On average only 1 in 830k positions yields a hash starting in the range fff4->ffff, which is only the gateway condition, so that reduces the probability to:
1.45*10^18

Then, there are only 9000 magic beans of Unsigned 32 Bit Integer which have to be exactly matched within the hash. Those obviously have a combination of 4,294,967,295 possible values, and the key has 60 chances to match one of only 9000.

This drops the possibilities to (and i've just roughly tried to work this out so please forgive some rounding):
182,306,394,022,900

Now these on average may have a value of around 0.48 veldspar (based on running some numbers this morning).

But, as depletion takes hold an exponential chance of finding ore which has already been mined occurs. Making, the emission not a straight forward line.

AND

The ORE & Hashes are all incalculable and random.  Which makes a straightforward calculation exceptionally difficult.  It could be that some sets of bytes yeild many results and some absolutely nothing.

Thanks for the very well detailed explanation, and so like you mentioned in the medium article this is also going to make it very hard to get it listed on an exchanges but do you think p2p trading would be possible once transactions are working?

Yes, I think it would be possible.  It is more about getting good feedback from the exchanges as to how they might need to operate.  So far the Exchange i have contacted has not responded.  But I have talked to lead developers from other coin systems to try and establish what kinds of interfaces they need and how wallet arrangements would work in practice.

I don't think the economics will necessarily make it difficult to get listed, that would be more a choice for the investors to make.  I am not looking to make any sweeping changes to the way the coin operates, but, there will be a point where some decisions would have to be made about wether we take everything we have learned so far, and start again, run with modifications to the existing blockchain etc.

We are still alpha, and we would not have found these issues without significant input from miners, allowing us to work out how this concept worked in reality.

I will be posting another medium article within the next day detailing my thoughts and probably have a community poll to work out where to go from here, because the next formation (based on what we know), will be the final major structural change as we move into Beta/Release.

But I do want to make this absolutely clear, no-ones effort so far will be wasted, if we decide to shrink the ORE to reduce the supply then I will be converting existing tokens over to the newer, shorter format tokens and I will do that in an open and transparent way that is easily audit-able.

Then the community will need to decide if the wish to remain with the current fiat style denominations, or go for crazy satoshi numbers (which makes no difference but somehow make people more comfortable dealing with incomprehensible fractions).

As I say, the next major upheaval will kind of be the last hurrah before it gets more serious and starts to form an actual viable product.
legendary
Activity: 1288
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As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?

The interesting part if you read the original post is that it has "No fixed reward and no fixed supply", depending on mining power it will adjust accordingly if I understand correctly.

There is no calculable supply.  Only a likelihood:  So for instance there are about:

1.206*10^24 possible ore positions:

On average only 1 in 830k positions yields a hash starting in the range fff4->ffff, which is only the gateway condition, so that reduces the probability to:
1.45*10^18

Then, there are only 9000 magic beans of Unsigned 32 Bit Integer which have to be exactly matched within the hash. Those obviously have a combination of 4,294,967,295 possible values, and the key has 60 chances to match one of only 9000.

This drops the possibilities to (and i've just roughly tried to work this out so please forgive some rounding):
182,306,394,022,900

Now these on average may have a value of around 0.48 veldspar (based on running some numbers this morning).

But, as depletion takes hold an exponential chance of finding ore which has already been mined occurs. Making, the emission not a straight forward line.

AND

The ORE & Hashes are all incalculable and random.  Which makes a straightforward calculation exceptionally difficult.  It could be that some sets of bytes yeild many results and some absolutely nothing.

Thanks for the very well detailed explanation, and so like you mentioned in the medium article this is also going to make it very hard to get it listed on exchanges but do you think p2p trading would be possible once transactions are working?
copper member
Activity: 87
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When can we expect token distribution?


As in transfers?  That is currently being worked on. It is not far off, but it has fallen behind making the node software stable.

I will be writing a medium post on the progress and other issues later on.
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When can we expect token distribution?
sr. member
Activity: 854
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As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?

The interesting part if you read the original post is that it has "No fixed reward and no fixed supply", depending on mining power it will adjust accordingly if I understand correctly.

There is no calculable supply.  Only a likelihood:  So for instance there are about:

1.206*10^24 possible ore positions:

On average only 1 in 830k positions yields a hash starting in the range fff4->ffff, which is only the gateway condition, so that reduces the probability to:
1.45*10^18

Then, there are only 9000 magic beans of Unsigned 32 Bit Integer which have to be exactly matched within the hash. Those obviously have a combination of 4,294,967,295 possible values, and the key has 60 chances to match one of only 9000.

This drops the possibilities to (and i've just roughly tried to work this out so please forgive some rounding):
182,306,394,022,900

Now these on average may have a value of around 0.48 veldspar (based on running some numbers this morning).

But, as depletion takes hold an exponential chance of finding ore which has already been mined occurs. Making, the emission not a straight forward line.

AND

The ORE & Hashes are all incalculable and random.  Which makes a straightforward calculation exceptionally difficult.  It could be that some sets of bytes yeild many results and some absolutely nothing.

Very good that you answer all the questions as needed. Usually the technical answers to get you need to go to the chat room and get there for a long time. With this approach, I am sure that you will succeed. Continue in the same spirit.
copper member
Activity: 87
Merit: 5
As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?

The interesting part if you read the original post is that it has "No fixed reward and no fixed supply", depending on mining power it will adjust accordingly if I understand correctly.

There is no calculable supply.  Only a likelihood:  So for instance there are about:

1.206*10^24 possible ore positions:

On average only 1 in 830k positions yields a hash starting in the range fff4->ffff, which is only the gateway condition, so that reduces the probability to:
1.45*10^18

Then, there are only 9000 magic beans of Unsigned 32 Bit Integer which have to be exactly matched within the hash. Those obviously have a combination of 4,294,967,295 possible values, and the key has 60 chances to match one of only 9000.

This drops the possibilities to (and i've just roughly tried to work this out so please forgive some rounding):
182,306,394,022,900

Now these on average may have a value of around 0.48 veldspar (based on running some numbers this morning).

But, as depletion takes hold an exponential chance of finding ore which has already been mined occurs. Making, the emission not a straight forward line.

AND

The ORE & Hashes are all incalculable and random.  Which makes a straightforward calculation exceptionally difficult.  It could be that some sets of bytes yeild many results and some absolutely nothing.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1002
As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?

The interesting part if you read the original post is that it has "No fixed reward and no fixed supply", depending on mining power it will adjust accordingly if I understand correctly.
sr. member
Activity: 658
Merit: 250
As this ORE things are mineable forever, does that means the total supply of this coins became unlimited?
If that how it is, then how do you maintain the price of this coins?
newbie
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My windows cli wallet


An error occurred while reading the wallet file, showing the result

Unhandled Exception: Newtonsoft.Json.JsonReaderException: Additional text encountered after finished reading JSON content: . Path '', line 1, position 6000.
   at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonTextReader.Read()
   at Newtonsoft.Json.Serialization.JsonSerializerInternalReader.Deserialize(JsonReader reader, Type objectType, Boolean checkAdditionalContent)
   at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonSerializer.DeserializeInternal(JsonReader reader, Type objectType)
   at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonConvert.DeserializeObject(String value, Type type, JsonSerializerSettings settings)
   at Newtonsoft.Json.JsonConvert.DeserializeObject[T](String value, JsonSerializerSettings settings)
   at SimpleWallet.WalletContainer.Read(String filePath, String password)
   at SimpleWallet.Program.Main(String[] args)


How to deal with it?
legendary
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My miner keeps crashing and I'm getting "core dumped" error on linux does anyone know of any compiling options to fix this?

If you can get us that dump or indeed some kind of crash backtrace then we can try and work out where the crash is and how to stop it.


It may have something to do with how I compiled it, Is there a log saved somewhere that I can copy and paste here? I'm a bit of a noob with linux.
copper member
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My miner keeps crashing and I'm getting "core dumped" error on linux does anyone know of any compiling options to fix this?

If you can get us that dump or indeed some kind of crash backtrace then we can try and work out where the crash is and how to stop it.
copper member
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My miner keeps crashing and I'm getting "core dumped" error on linux does anyone know of any compiling options to fix this?

i get this error 2 times yesterday, but now all working fine ~ 14 hours. This may be probably when the seed node goes offline for some reason.
legendary
Activity: 1288
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My miner keeps crashing and I'm getting "core dumped" error on linux does anyone know of any compiling options to fix this?
copper member
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copper member
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how i can see my hashing speed in megaminer ?

you can't.  All you can see is the reward.  The hashing speed is, sadly irrelevant and not a good measure.
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