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legendary
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The 12% APR was quite high and maybe should have raised concerns at the time. I suppose it is the same with the Notes payout. Unfortunately, hindsight comes to mind.

When people should have been suspecting Whirlwind to be scam is when they begin anonymity mining or something with 12% APR. I do not know much about it but it is like a way people will leave their bitcoin on on the centralized mixing service. Many people will be affected.

Another way that people can think of is when they begin paykng using note public key to the Whirlwind participants on this forum. Funds are paid from note public key into note public key. It would have been better if it is paid to individual bitcoin addresses on their self hosted wallet.
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In retrospect, the biggest red flag should have been when they went from being very active to almost completely inactive on Bitcointalk. It looks like they lost interest because the site didn't gain the traction they hoped for.
When people should have been suspecting Whirlwind to be scam is when they began anonymity mining or something with 12% APR. I do not know much about it but it is like a way people will leave their bitcoin on the centralized mixing service. Many people will be affected.

Another way that people can think of is when they began paying using note public key to the Whirlwind participants on this forum. Funds are paid from note public key into note public key. It would have been better if it is paid to individual bitcoin addresses on their self hosted wallet.
legendary
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Flag Supported.

In retrospect, the biggest red flag should have been when they went from being very active to almost completely inactive on Bitcointalk. It looks like they lost interest because the site didn't gain the traction they hoped for.
legendary
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    It's a good thing that minerjones keeps $40k in escrow, so there is a possibility for forum users to be compensated. Maybe he can confirm the current status of those funds.[/list]
    Deposits to the multisig addy in the last few days alone are more than that in just the last 5 days. I just (only now) realize that makes the escrow partially useless: if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.

    Ya, it won't be easy to judge , however, are two scenarios in which lost funds can be proved with strong and convincing evidence.

    1- Signature campaign participants can easily prove they have lost funds:

    - Payments are sent to Public Notes, we can easily prove that some public note which could be found on the campaign thread or/and by checking with Hhampuz has a pending withrawl from the mixer

    - The mixer's Signing Address

    Code:
    1JmCabMgyVZ8zmgaV5JGH7BXe48buVaUUd

    Is public and thus all letters of guarantees can be validated by checking the signature.

    The minum loss for all campaign participants is 2166$ (we know for sure none of that amount left the mixer's wallet), it could be more depending what the participants have left there previously, and since the withraws stopped on the 9th of august (a few hours after week 19 payments) a good portion of these (3396$) could still be locked in the mixer, so it's safe to assume that the campaign participants alone have somewhere about 5k lost in there.

    2- Forum members with somewhat a reputable account who have a message signed by the mixer for both deposite and witnrawl.

    - Similiar to the points above, the singed message includes the timestamp of the withrawl, so you can't fake it, if your address did indeed receive the funds, you can't claim it came from another withrawl which you don't have the signed message for.



    What I do not understand is... how it is possible that they have paid for the Signature Campaign (Hold) and apparently they were able to collect their Notes, or they did not and are waiting "patiently".

    Round 20 Payments have been sent to your Notes!

    It is exactly what it says, Hhampuz carefully and perfectly chosen his words there, the payments were sent to our "Notes", it doesn't say anything more than that, but if you are asking wether we were able to get them out of the mixer just yet, then, no.
    member
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    Same here.
    Site is down and we are waiting for official announcement from team. It was expected to get an announcement today because Hhampuz has talked to someone.
    But whirlwind money devs did not reply here so far.
    We are still waiting for official announcement and site to be fixed.

    The problem is different from mine. The main problem is withdrawal delay. But I am unable to open the site. If they are not able to open the site then how they will withdraw their fund? And I do not think they have too many visitors which will occur this type of problem.

    As you are facing the same issue then it might be the problem of the site.
    Yes, Sir!
    You are right, whirlwind website is not accessible.

    Does not work for me, say's can't be reached. I'll wait for official announcement.
    Let's hope for fast reply, bros

    I assume you know you need a Tor browser for .onion sites? You cannot access them using a "normal" browser.

    Wow, very sad. I will wait for announcement from dev.
    legendary
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    My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing.
    For many users, it's not possible to submit a withdrawal moving the entire balance.
    You can only withdraw fixed amounts and the minimum is 0.001 BTC.

    By the way, their multi-signature address is 3 of 3, not 2 of 3.


    What I do not understand is... how it is possible that they have paid for the Signature Campaign (Hold) and apparently they were able to collect their Notes, or they did not and are waiting "patiently".
    The website is still up and it's possible to send fund between note addresses.
    Hhampuz sent the payments from his note address to note addresses of participants. Those transactions have been made off-chain and none of withdrawal requests have been processed.
    legendary
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    ...//:::

    I have zero (My wallet), I have not received anything.



    ...//...:::
    or did you request a withdrawal from a note you had previously funded? ...//...

    Yes!

    ...//...:::
    ...  And did you manage to get the withdrawal into your wallet?
    ...//...

    No!



    ...///...::
    ...//..:::
    My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.
    +1
    At least in my case, this process has already been carried out, and as I mentioned I have not received anything.



    What I do not understand is... how it is possible that they have paid for the Signature Campaign (Hold) and apparently they were able to collect their Notes, or they did not and are waiting "patiently".

    Round 20 Payments have been sent to your Notes!

    So, ?

    member
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    Whirlwind is a scam mixer that scammed me 200$ the founders and all their signature campaign people will get what is coming for them one-by-one mark my words, spirituality isn’t a joke, they ve been cursed
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    Alright, I think I've waited long enough. It's been more than 56 hours since I put in the withdrawal request and over 48 hours since I emailed their support. No response yet. I'm going to take action and initiate a Type 3 flag on the whirlwindmoney account.
    <...>

    Type 3 Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3197


    Decodx is the last known person to make a deposit. I think this is his transaction. It matches the date.

    That's right, those are my coins. I posted all the evidence in my thread.
    jr. member
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    This is how karma works. You all supported a scam and now you are swallowing it.

    lol .. a project that doesn't reply customer support email for more than 30 days.. yet they were all against me.. Lack of customer support is the number one way to tell a project has a scam intent.
    legendary
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    I checked again, the Whirlwind website is definitely working 14:04 UTC

    The onion URL is now down since a few hours.
    it is up. Time is 13:16 Wednesday, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

    legendary
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    This leads us to the question, can the escrow funds be used in this case?
    The sum Minerjones is holding isn't sufficient enough to cover the total deposited money I think. Minerjones is holding 40k DAI which is ~1.50 Bitcoin while the amount should be far higher considering the deposits we can see in the last week. How will it be used then? Well, MJ knows that better. Let him decide once everything is confirmed. Though the chance of whirlwind coming back is pretty low, we can still hope for the best and hopefully whatever they have said is true.

    has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?
    Depositing just to check that would be a dumb thing to do now.
    Decodx is the last known person to make a deposit. I think this is his transaction. It matches the date.
    legendary
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    has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?
    Depositing just to check that would be a dumb thing to do now.

    My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.
    Good point! Then, use the LoG as evidence to Support a Type 3 Flag.

    if the site stops working and the developer team is no longer answer, I don't know how to compensate the users.
    Bitcoin doesn't have a history of "compensating users". Not your keys, not your coins. It's a risk they all knew.

    The onion URL is now down since a few hours.
    The .onion loads here.

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    It's cultural. We're more like: "If you're on time, you're late" Tongue
    legendary
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    I have checked their onion website several times today (and immediately after reading your post) and it is definitely not down. The Whirlwind website is working.

    Notes are still being generated and the process allowing customers to deposit funds is still there. Basically, every front-end action seems to be working but behind the scenes the functionality is not working.

    The onion URL is now down since a few hours.

    - Either the server has been shut down and we can say it's now "officially" the end of the service
    - Either the server is down because there is someone working on the website.

    When I've read they should come back tomorrow, I consider it can take longer. We all have a life and sleep. So if it takes more than 24 hours, I'm not bothered. I'm the kind of guy who say "Don't worry miss, I'll be here at 8.00 am" but the truth is I come at 6.00 pm  Cheesy
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    The onion URL is now down since a few hours.

    - Either the server has been shut down and we can say it's now "officially" the end of the service
    - Either the server is down because there is someone working on the website.

    When I've read they should come back tomorrow, I consider it can take longer. We all have a life and sleep. So if it takes more than 24 hours, I'm not bothered, I can wait 48h or +. I'm the kind of guy who say "Don't worry miss, I'll be here at 8.00 am" but the truth is I come at 6.00 pm  Cheesy
    legendary
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    By now, I think this topic deserves a Flag. Given the decentralized nature of the website, it's going to be difficult to prove someone was a victim for a type 2 or 3 Flag, but if someone wants to create a Newbie warning Flag, I'll Support it. If OP returns and resolves all issues I'll gladly Oppose the Flag, but until then, I think a yellow warning banner is warranted.
    Most importantly, as long as the site is still working, it is better to choose a trusted member and try to prove the ownership of the deposited coins (sending the private key to that member), if the site stops working and the developer team is no longer answer, I don't know how to compensate the users.

    This leads us to the question, can the escrow funds be used in this case?
    legendary
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    By now, I think this topic deserves a Flag. Given the decentralized nature of the website, it's going to be difficult to prove someone was a victim for a type 2 or 3 Flag, but if someone wants to create a Newbie warning Flag, I'll Support it. If OP returns and resolves all issues I'll gladly Oppose the Flag, but until then, I think a yellow warning banner is warranted.
    First thing: I do think a flag is necessary now just to alert, at least try to alert people not to use their mixer, although I do not see there are any deposits to the 2 of 3 address [hopefully they did not chance the destination address to move the deposits, has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?].

    Second thing: I fail to understand where is the decentralized nature of the website. The funds are in hold by one person or at least he is pretending to be three person containing three keys. Have we even known who owns these keys? No.

    My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.

    legendary
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    Basically, main people lost access due to travels while people still with access didn't have the right credentials to solve basic issues that caused withdraws to get stuck on the back-end. I've been assured that nothing has been lost and that all will be taken care of tomorrow meaning all currently pending withdraws will be processed and things return back to normal. It was an unfortunate situation is all!
    It sounds like they are running a hobby instead of a business. Really I will have a business where I am going to allow incoming btc but making excuse of not processing outgoing btc because travels, credential issue this and that, then it continues for days. I hope what they are telling is true. But a business needs to be more serious about their customers' funds.
    Agreed.

    I wrote this 2 days ago:
    So, to summarize (and correct me if I got anything wrong):
    • The website isn't profitable (yet)
    • Deposits are working
    • The website claims to pay a very high 12% APR on deposits
    • The daily awards aren't always being added
    • Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago
    • The signature campaign payments happen off-chain and thus can't be withdrawn now
    • User whirlwindmoney hasn't been here for more than a month
    • Support doesn't respond to inquiries
    No matter what the reason is, this looks bad.
    By now, I think this topic deserves a Flag. Given the decentralized nature of the website, it's going to be difficult to prove someone was a victim for a type 2 or 3 Flag, but if someone wants to create a Newbie warning Flag, I'll Support it. If OP returns and resolves all issues I'll gladly Oppose the Flag, but until then, I think a yellow warning banner is warranted.
    legendary
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    I withdrew my BTC there without issue last week, however, it didn't work this time, the same as other people reported a few days ago.

    I'm curious if other Whirlwind campaign participants are having the same problem withdrawing BTC?
    All those trying to withdraw are finding themselves in the same situation as you. We have to wait for the Whirlwind team to post here with an update, there is nothing more that can be done.
    member
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    STRAIGHT FORWARD
    This is how karma works. You all supported a scam and now you are swallowing it.
    Stupid logic. Did you know this was a scam? You never knew. This is how centralized mixer works. You have to trust them and they have to pay back the trust. Whirlwind started their journey here in such a way that no one even doubt their single activity.
    Well, possibly they are scam but nothing guaranteed. We may see them coming back too as they claimed they are not in the town. Hope for the best now though it's getting worst.
    Yes I knew it was a scam and a lot of other members knew that also like JollyGood but they preferred to continue taking their signature payment than exposing.
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