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Quote from: Hhampuz on August 14, 2023, 01:45:51 PM

I do not hold any funds in escrow for the campaign.

Were they (Whirlwind) the ones making the payments through the note system?

If so, there may be a small chance they come back to pay people and realize the system is down (hopefully the case)? Cheesy

Also, for people with funds in there, are the daily mining rewards coming through? Didn’t they say they do those manually?

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Meh.

I do not hold any funds in escrow for the campaign.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 01:22:24 PM

Quote from: sam00 on August 14, 2023, 12:38:46 PM

I am glad that I brought this up and raised awareness about this topic.

Well, as a joke but also for the sake of the argument, it was I and fillippone the ones which raised awareness about this topic

You came later to confirm the problem is even bigger

You all did a good job bringing this up. But unfortunately, I didn't think to check this thread before depositing my funds, so it didn't help me personally.

Quote from: Hhampuz on August 14, 2023, 12:44:00 PM

I've put the campaign on hold for the time being, but I remain hopeful that this is due to something other than malicious intent.

I think it's a good decision considering everything. To help this issue gets more attention, I started a topic on the appropriate board. That's where we can continue sharing info about what's going on. Hopefully, it'll stop someone else from making the same mistake I did.

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Quote from: sam00 on August 14, 2023, 12:38:46 PM

I am glad that I brought this up and raised awareness about this topic.

Well, as a joke but also for the sake of the argument, it was I and fillippone the ones which raised awareness about this topic

You came later to confirm the problem is even bigger

Quote from: Hhampuz on August 14, 2023, 12:44:00 PM

I've put the campaign on hold for the time being

Hey there Hhampuz! Can you let us know, please, if you are still holding any funds in escrow for this campaign? I mentioned this above, but perhaps you missed my post.

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:59:54 AM

At same time, Hhampuz may (or may not) still hold some of the campaign funds.

Quote from: Hhampuz on April 02, 2023, 05:33:47 PM

Payments for the reviews will be handled by me, from the signature campaign wallet (which I'm in control of).

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I cannot speak for others but that seems the course of action you have undertaken is probably the best move considering the circumstances. The Whirlwind team have put a lot of effort as well as finances into their mixing project therefore I am also hopeful there is no malicious intent on their part. Hopefully they will post here or send you an email with an update.

Quote from: Hhampuz on August 14, 2023, 12:44:00 PM

I've put the campaign on hold for the time being, but I remain hopeful that this is due to something other than malicious intent. For now I would advise against depositing or even generating a new note on whirlwind. If you have a balance, save it down somewhere but don't withdraw the funds from it (since nothing is being processed you'd likely run a higher risk of it getting "lost"). Sucky situation and I do wonder what might have happened, the next few days will hopefully clear it up.

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Meh.

I've put the campaign on hold for the time being, but I remain hopeful that this is due to something other than malicious intent. For now I would advise against depositing or even generating a new note on whirlwind. If you have a balance, save it down somewhere but don't withdraw the funds from it (since nothing is being processed you'd likely run a higher risk of it getting "lost"). Sucky situation and I do wonder what might have happened, the next few days will hopefully clear it up.

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I am glad that I brought this up and raised awareness about this topic.
Now I truly hope that everything will be sorted out.

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Quote from: decodx on August 14, 2023, 07:56:20 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on August 14, 2023, 05:59:16 AM

Keeping that aside for a moment, we do not know if the problem is a withdrawal issue is down to signature campaign participants trying to withdraw funds or whether clients using the website for mixing are sending funds but are getting nothing back. There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only. It still would not make it right or acceptable of-course but it would narrow the problem.

I'm a customer. I made a small deposit this morning and still haven't received anything back (with 0 hours delay on withdrawal). Angry

I made the rookie mistake of not checking this thread earlier. I assumed everything was fine with the service. Maybe it's worth considering a temporary pause on the signature campaign and taking down all the signatures until things get sorted. If things work out, no harm done, but just in case they might pull an exit scam, it's better to stop the promotion sooner rather than later.

Thank you for the confirmation that the problem is far bigger. It is not just affecting withdrawals from signature campaign participants, it is affecting customers who want to mix. I am sorry your funds were not delivered even though you selected 0 hours, hopefully they will sort this issue out and it will not be a worrying situation related to an exit-scam. With $40,000 DAI in escrow I am inclined to believe there is not exit scam but time will tell.

Quote from: LeGaulois on August 14, 2023, 08:13:40 AM

I agree with the dude above.

We should stop to advertise a service that doesn't work, it's not like if the problems are here since only yesterday.
If he posted something, we could know what's going on but there's nothing.

We shouldn't wait to have a thousand of users complaining.

Without a doubt I agree. Some of us stake our forum reputation on companies and businesses using our avatars and signature space therefore the appropriate course of action has to be to stop promoting them.

As hoped, if they clarified what happened and how they rectified (or intend to rectify) it, I hope their signature campaign would continue and I would like to be a part of it. If customers and clients are not able to use the Whirlwind service it means it should probably not be promoted until/unless we understand more.

(edit: I've removed the signature on post #15600)

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Quote from: minerjones on August 14, 2023, 11:14:45 AM

Just wanted to add that I have no association to the multi-sig wallet/address nor access to any of the funds.
I only have the $40K in DAI as posted above

Thanks for the confirmation but yeah, I think we all know this.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on August 14, 2023, 11:11:48 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on August 14, 2023, 05:59:16 AM

There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only.

There's not a single withdrawal from the multisig address after the 9th of August. How do you say this? No one claimed? No one claimed because it's a matter of 5 days and possibly, most of them have deposited to enjoy the mining reward whirlwind offered. Check out their multisig address, no withdrawal since the 9th of August. It's definitely a flag unless they solve the issue faster. Check what decodx said.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 14, 2023, 05:34:53 AM

if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.

Even if MJ has the fund in escrow, I don't see how he would be able to utilize the fund to compensate any victims. The amount in question is far higher than the amount in escrow. If I can remember correctly, there were 6+ Bitcoin initially in the multisig address. They may have added more in the pool but who knows? If it's a scam, we can assume that it's more than 5 BTC + additional if they already have removed any funds. The amount in escrow won't be even close to compensate the scam (keeping aside how will it be done).

Just wanted to add that I have no association to the multi-sig wallet/address nor access to any of the funds.
I only have the $40K in DAI as posted above

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 14, 2023, 05:59:16 AM

There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only.

There's not a single withdrawal from the multisig address after the 9th of August. How do you say this? No one claimed? No one claimed because it's a matter of 5 days and possibly, most of them have deposited to enjoy the mining reward whirlwind offered. Check out their multisig address, no withdrawal since the 9th of August. It's definitely a flag unless they solve the issue faster. Check what decodx said.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 14, 2023, 05:34:53 AM

if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.

Even if MJ has the fund in escrow, I don't see how he would be able to utilize the fund to compensate any victims. The amount in question is far higher than the amount in escrow. If I can remember correctly, there were 6+ Bitcoin initially in the multisig address. They may have added more in the pool but who knows? If it's a scam, we can assume that it's more than 5 BTC + additional if they already have removed any funds. The amount in escrow won't be even close to compensate the scam (keeping aside how will it be done).

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 14, 2023, 06:08:15 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:59:54 AM

At same time, the funds for escrow were for the review campaign, which is ended. So it's possible that MJ returned the funds already.

Minerjones agreed to this:

Quote from: minerjones on April 30, 2023, 06:18:59 AM

Quote from: whirlwindmoney on April 28, 2023, 09:44:49 AM

ANN design was updated, see first post in this thread. It now includes a step-by-step walkthrough showing all actions you can make on our our website.

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Quote from: whirlwindmoney on April 27, 2023, 11:03:50 PM

The 40,000 DAI are still in escrow with minerjones and we are able to send much more than that if the risk of us stealing the funds proves to be the problem

Is this confirmed by minerjones somewhere? I only found this post, but there are no details.

Also (I remember this case): what are the details of the escrow deal? Considering the purpose, it would be good if the deal includes a 7 day delay once you request to pay it back, including the escrow publicly announcing the change 7 days ahead.

The initial escrow deal was that we were supposed to receive the funds back when the review campaign ended a while ago. We did not request the funds back so they are still with minerjones. We'd be happy to adhere to the 7 day delay rule you proposed, and I will ask minerjones if it's possible for him to confirm here that this rule will be enforced and the amount held by him at the moment.

Confirming there are still 40k+ DAI in escrow
And I was not aware of the 7-day release rule, but will enforce this when asked for the funds return

Funds are still in escrow:

https://etherscan.io/token/0x6b175474e89094c44da98b954eedeac495271d0f?a=0x3655b6d78d59e0db15f13d66c5fd552e0c884b7b

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I agree with the dude above.

We should stop to advertise a service that doesn't work, it's not like if the problems are here since only yesterday.
If he posted something, we could know what's going on but there's nothing.

We shouldn't wait to have a thousand of users complaining.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 14, 2023, 05:59:16 AM

Keeping that aside for a moment, we do not know if the problem is a withdrawal issue is down to signature campaign participants trying to withdraw funds or whether clients using the website for mixing are sending funds but are getting nothing back. There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only. It still would not make it right or acceptable of-course but it would narrow the problem.

I'm a customer. I made a small deposit this morning and still haven't received anything back (with 0 hours delay on withdrawal). Angry

I made the rookie mistake of not checking this thread earlier. I assumed everything was fine with the service. Maybe it's worth considering a temporary pause on the signature campaign and taking down all the signatures until things get sorted. If things work out, no harm done, but just in case they might pull an exit scam, it's better to stop the promotion sooner rather than later.

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on August 14, 2023, 05:59:54 AM

At same time, the funds for escrow were for the review campaign, which is ended. So it's possible that MJ returned the funds already.

Minerjones agreed to this:

Quote from: minerjones on April 30, 2023, 06:18:59 AM

Quote from: whirlwindmoney on April 28, 2023, 09:44:49 AM

ANN design was updated, see first post in this thread. It now includes a step-by-step walkthrough showing all actions you can make on our our website.

Quote from: LoyceV on April 28, 2023, 04:30:03 AM

Quote from: whirlwindmoney on April 27, 2023, 11:03:50 PM

The 40,000 DAI are still in escrow with minerjones and we are able to send much more than that if the risk of us stealing the funds proves to be the problem

Is this confirmed by minerjones somewhere? I only found this post, but there are no details.

Also (I remember this case): what are the details of the escrow deal? Considering the purpose, it would be good if the deal includes a 7 day delay once you request to pay it back, including the escrow publicly announcing the change 7 days ahead.

The initial escrow deal was that we were supposed to receive the funds back when the review campaign ended a while ago. We did not request the funds back so they are still with minerjones. We'd be happy to adhere to the 7 day delay rule you proposed, and I will ask minerjones if it's possible for him to confirm here that this rule will be enforced and the amount held by him at the moment.

Confirming there are still 40k+ DAI in escrow
And I was not aware of the 7-day release rule, but will enforce this when asked for the funds return

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 14, 2023, 05:34:53 AM

Quote from: examplens on August 14, 2023, 05:16:55 AM

It's a good thing that minerjones keeps $40k in escrow, so there is a possibility for forum users to be compensated. Maybe he can confirm the current status of those funds.[/list]

Deposits to the multisig addy in the last few days alone are more than that in just the last 5 days. I just (only now) realize that makes the escrow partially useless: if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.

At same time, the funds for escrow were for the review campaign, which is ended. So it's possible that MJ returned the funds already. At same time, if he still keeps the funds, the most important question is where does he store these funds? -- in a personal wallet or in a "personal" note offered by WhirlWind? I don't see anywhere the escrow address used. If the funds are also kept on the mixer their utility is none.

At same time, Hhampuz may (or may not) still hold some of the campaign funds.

Quote from: Hhampuz on April 02, 2023, 05:33:47 PM

Payments for the reviews will be handled by me, from the signature campaign wallet (which I'm in control of).

However, this may have changed after WhirlWind switched to make the payments directly to notes.

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This is worrying because tomorrow is the day signature campaign participants are due to be paid. I hope everything will be fine (and a simple post or update will make it easier for worried members to rest).

Keeping that aside for a moment, we do not know if the problem is a withdrawal issue is down to signature campaign participants trying to withdraw funds or whether clients using the website for mixing are sending funds but are getting nothing back. There do not seem to be claims of the latter therefore it could be confined to signature campaign participants only. It still would not make it right or acceptable of-course but it would narrow the problem.

I did read an earlier post where they were going to roll out updates therefore this could have possibly coincided with it. Either way, if they have not replied to emails and requests to post here then it is will mean signature campaign participants will remain confused and anxious.

I think regardless of what we think has happened, Whirlwind should at the very least post here as soon as possible to explain the facts and what they will do to rectify whatever has gone wrong.

Quote from: sam00 on August 14, 2023, 01:31:13 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on August 14, 2023, 12:31:53 AM

I made a withdrawal of 0.025 BTC yesterday afternoon (like you with 0 hours delay) and so far nothing. Did you get the money, or email reply yet?

The last outgoing transcation is still from the 9th August:
https://www.blockchain.com/de/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r

I have not received a reply to my e-mail (I asked them to reply here on bitcointalk though).

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Quote from: examplens on August 14, 2023, 05:16:55 AM

It's a good thing that minerjones keeps $40k in escrow, so there is a possibility for forum users to be compensated. Maybe he can confirm the current status of those funds.[/list]

Deposits to the multisig addy in the last few days alone are more than that in just the last 5 days. I just (only now) realize that makes the escrow partially useless: if there would be an exit scam, it would be trivially easy to fake losses to claim back the escrow as a victim.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 14, 2023, 03:33:25 AM

So, to summarize (and correct me if I got anything wrong):

The website isn't profitable (yet)

I would add that the clearnet website has been offline for quite a long time now. Maybe it's not crucial considering that the .onion site is online, but it still seems neglected.

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Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago

It's a good thing that minerjones keeps $40k in escrow, so there is a possibility for forum users to be compensated. Maybe he can confirm the current status of those funds.[/list]

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So, to summarize (and correct me if I got anything wrong):

The website isn't profitable (yet)
Deposits are working
The website claims to pay a very high 12% APR on deposits
The daily awards aren't always being added
Withdrawals stopped working 5 days ago
The signature campaign payments happen off-chain and thus can't be withdrawn now
User whirlwindmoney hasn't been here for more than a month
Support doesn't respond to inquiries

No matter what the reason is, this looks bad.

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