Topic: [ANN] [XEL] :: XEL - The Decentralized Supercomputer :: - page 93. (Read 253604 times)

i hope this is no noob question but i have some xel in my online wallet and it sucessfully forged 1,01 xel, where do i find this 1,01 xel?

cheers

That would take actually effort and work - actions.  Most incessant complainers don't mind the talk but that is all they ever do, they never get to the solutions stage.

The problem is not the schemes or formations to benefit this or that, but the mentality of the people! It's ridiculous for someone to complain that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer instead of complaining and crying, why do not you work to get out of the situation? Many scorned ETH and BTC, do not do the same with XEL, because the end of the movie will be the same! XEL for moon.

Agreed - the problem is that people keep bringing politics into these things when they don't get instant returns - it's a futile attempt to prove to themselves and everyone else that they are doing it out of interest for some higher ideal (even though they are not).  

It's the attitude that "If I'm not getting rich, this coin must be a scam".  

It's also a bit intellectually immature to assume that cryptocurrency will magically solve all the problems of the world.

Seen it too many times but anyway it is probably best to ignore it (which I will try to do) but I get irritated as much as the next person.

The only misconception here is yours and the only person who believes this is get rich quick scheme is you - that suggests you have not been here from the beginning.  

I think this also reveals your true motives - I think deep down you want it to be a "get rich scheme" for you and since it hasn't worked out that way you are leaving.  

At least be honest about your motives and don't pretend that there is some higher ideal here.  

I don't have a problem if people believe in alternative ideologies - I just don't like people coming up with self-righteous bullshit to make it look like they aren't being selfish.

You can call it what you want but I am just saying that if the SEC or whatever poke their noses into this it will be classified as an ICO. I would just rather not live in fantasy land concerning this just because it was labeled a donation later. This sort of jargon dancing will just confuse kids and piss off gov types while simultaneously misleading legit investors. I dig the idea behind the project as quantifiable decentralized compututational resources are literally the whole aim of all this but I think this is a mistake to not call it was it was. If there were tokens or premined assets sent out based off a "donation" ledger then.... Sorry if you guys get this a lot, I just see this as an up and comer and feel like something big is coming in terms of regulation and authority for all of us. I will see myself out now. Best of luck sir, good to talk to you again.

or just screenshot the message and post it here

As of now you can only forge like in NXT - block fees go to forgers.

Can you paste an invite link for their slack

Just fyi, here is another one:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-kumocoin-2076572

Absolutely not! I am a dev and I a know I can only make a software better by talking to people using it.. And also by talking to people never seen it before. When creating a new software, actuall programming is about 15% of all the time.

They combine marketing and feedback, which is amazing.

Honestly, they should rather spend their time programming! The rest brings no real benefit to the technology at all

I like that they are really on the road, meeting people, having conferences and so on. They are doing a really good job.

There are at least 3 supercomputer projects,,, on paper SONM looked like the most able, with strong development team. With experienced persons from actual supercomputer background. And yet look at what happened to them.
Elastic may appear less desirable next to SONM but as you say, they are a lot more realistic.

Could you please leave out the political talk? Every time I read "socialist" or "communist" somewhere, I know I'm about to see a massive mudflinging fest, with no winner, but a lot of losers.

Regarding the "rich getting richer" thing:

What is called PoS in XEL is not exactly a rich getting richer scheme. Apart from transaction fees, there is nothing to earn. In the last hour, there were four transactions, which add up to 0.4 XEL transaction fees. And someone has to mine those blocks which have no transactions at all.

I'm pretty sure that no matter how big a whale you are, at the moment, staking loses you more money than it makes. This indicates, that whoever is staking at the moment, does this either for fun or because they believe in the future success of Elastic, when there will be multiple transactions per block and staking might actually be profitable. At the moment, it loses them money rather than making them money.

That all being said, I have yet to see a convincing concept of a "Proof of…"-system that rules out the possibility of people with lots of money buying a better position, be it by buying stakes (PoS), hardware (PoW) or votes (DPoS). I'm not exactly a fan of "rich getting richer" schemes myself, which, admittedly, is partly because I'm not one of them, but as long as there is no convincing alternative solution, I consider it a given.

This has nothing to do with politics, but with inevitable effects resulting from applying a set of rules. You can't choose only the parts that you like and leave out the rest, that is not how these systems work. You can only change so much to keep a system in a workable state, anything else has to be adapted to the given set of rules (and the consequences following these rules).

I find the similar project form wiki. If someone interested to know..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Open_Infrastructure_for_Network_Computing

The misconception of what socialism even is in this thread is disappointing.

You all do realize that Bitcoin in its purest form is a type of communist concept right? Satoshi was trying to even out the field in the world of the haves too much and haves not much at all.

Even XEL "Decentralized" motto should tell you everything  

Anyways I'll be shutting off my node as seeing members in the community just see this as a "get rich quick scheme and let's centralize it".  I'll be watching from the sidelines.

Lol you said it much better than I could!  

Frankly I used to be surprised by this sort of ignorance but I see so many examples of it that I'm not any more.  It is more worrying that people would invest time and money in things they quite clearly don't understand but if we look at the success of financial scams in general (not just crypto) it is not such a shock.

I also see a lot of this extreme socialist kind of thought that comes from intellectual laziness - people often ask for "equality" without even considering the actual consequences of it.  Further they don't even think of the fact that whenever communism or extreme socialist agendas have been attempted they have often resulted in even more inequality by creating a tiny oligarchy which lives in absolute comfort whilst everyone else is forced to have equality in miserable poverty.  

Bringing it back to the crypto world:

If you haven't bought in or contributed to the project in another way (e.g. code) why should you be rewarded equally to those that have?  It is clearly a nonsense not to mention the fact that it couldn't even work mathematically - how would the algorithm work - would people get random rewards?

Then what is the incentive to hold any coins at all? - Just stick some dust in a million wallets and you will make a ton of XEL.  It would create a ridiculous situation.

The basic theme underlying these sentiments is a sense of entitlement that seems rife nowadays - the idea that everyone should be rich or wealthy without having to put in the effort that it takes to get there.

To be frank it is quite immature, not to mention a fantasy.

How do i (mine) XEL?  or that info i found on the web is wrong and i cant mine XEL?

Agreed. XEL will have a good momentum.
Check out RLC coin as well. Same concept, but probably the most undervalued "supercomputing" coin there. And a truly fantastic team behind.

If you believe in supercomputing on the blockchain, you should have both of these coins in his portfolio.