Topic: [ANN] ZERO - COMMUNITY TAKEOVER - page 7. (Read 68243 times)

I'm complaining about no connections on cryptopia for some days now. My coins send to cryptopia are not comming into my wallet. I hope now it's better to read and understand, sorry for expecting to read my mind

I am copying here's what's being happening in telegram, since it's not easy to follow it for people who don't want to spend hours reading through all posts.
The saga goes on:

Demarsac posted:

Well 80% IN this post is a lie.
When we started there was No website, No Windows Desktop Wallet - you know the one you ALL use, No Twitter, No Discord and No official presence, No Telegram, No security update, No Crex24 and a dying bitcointalk. All these were created by us. So since we didn't really do anything as per your post then we really have nothing to pass on right? Also ostracizing previous management and bad talking won't get you really far. Happy Easter Monday Constantin. Also why don't you really tell to the people about the time you miscalculated your math by an order of magnitude and asked me what i m doing with the community pool fee when this fee does not cover even the monthly server expense? Remember when you implied i am stealing 40$ per month?
No offense but there is nothing to hand over. You can make a new website and pay like i did domains, website creation, desktop wallet, crex24 all these are money paid from my pocket. And i never asked for anything.

So I replied:

I guess that by now hopefully you realized what people think of you and your pathetic megalomaniac posts of yours. People have already answered to most of your false claims, but let me add a few more details to make the truth shine:

1) Discord was suggested by myself. You and lutsifer didn't think that it was a good idea (we have the transcripts of your pms)
2) You also didn't want telegram to happen, so Ingar founded it unofficially. When you realized its success, you jumped in.
3) We did recognize the security update and the crex24 listing, so implying that we didn't is a lie.
4) Bitcointalk was pretty much active, you just started a new thread.
5) A couple of days ago, you said you would step down and that anyone is willing to lead is welcome. Now you 're saying you don't step down and that there is nothing to hand over. Well, I guess that's no surprise.
6) We did offer you to be a co-equal member in the new team, despite your attitude. You disregarded our offer.
7) Regarding my miscalculation: I never claimed to be infallible. Once I realized the error, I declared that I have faith in you, a fact that you conveniently forgot to mention. Here is the transcript in Greek:

Σωστός o Bράχoς! Ένα δεκαδικό μας έκανε άνω κάτω.
Eπειδή όλη αυτή η κoυβέντα μας παρέσυρε, ας επικεντρωθoύμε στα σημαντικά, δεδoμένoυ ότι τo θέμα της διαχείρισης των εισφoρών θεωρώ ότι πλέoν είναι εκ των oυκ άνευ, και δηλώνω καλή πίστη στo DM.

You also skipped mentioning that all I was looking for was transparency in funds administration, since we were planning to donate a significant amount of zer.

8 ) A working Windows wallet was already posted by cryptosights, on November 29th, based on Vaklinov's swing wallet, just as the wallet lutsifer posted shortly after. We would have a Windows wallet even without lutsifer's wallet, which, after all is the same as cryptosight's, as lutsifer himself admitted on that same day. Also, saying that you paid for the Windows wallet, is just ridiculous.

9) Regarding the web site, which is after all simply bad looking, full of grammatical errors and and never gets updated: Guido had already paid for a domain and Ingar had already made a web site. You rejected them, and chose to go with your own, so bragging about your bad choice doesn't make you any wiser.

You know, in the beginning, it looked like your intentions were pure. You were writing things like:

"I do NOT own this project
ZERO COMMUNITY owns this project and it belongs to the community."

I guess you either never meant it or since you took over you realized you liked the chair too much, the same way politicians do in Greece, so when they get elected they forget all promised and become corrupted and arrogant. No doubt relying on a sociophobic and controlling developer such as lutsifer contributed heaps on your dictatorial stance and governance.

it was dead?

The fact that even now, with all these posts, there is very little communication from Zer team highlights a fundamental problem. I don’t doubt Demersac’s integrity, he is a nice guy and honest but a new direction may help. Nonetheless, Zer has dropped way more than almost any other coin — that’s a major problem.  Constantine I appreciate your post, you have been a thoughtful commentator. What do you think is the best path forward ?

PS what ever happens to all those Zer the community donated for development way back before Demersac and others took over ? Disappeared ?

exciting times for zero!
watch this space!

Cryptopia Support Coin Wallets to me
Apr 8

Hi again,

Sorry for the double up email, took me less time to check than I thought!

getinfo currently shows we’re on block 297331 (The latest on the block explorer at the time of writing) with 8 connections.

Sometimes our website is a little behind in updating the information from the wallet, but I can assure you it’s working perfectly at present.

As ever, if you have any queries or requests feel free to contact us here,

 

Kind regards,

Cryptopia Wallets Team

Folks, could you clarify what you have seen and what your current status is with Cryptopia?
Were the issues related to Deposits, Withdrawals, Trading?
  Tearo

As the Zero community, we would like to firstly thank the current Zero managing team for the effort put into place since the revival of our coin since the November take over.

We have ascertained that besides Zero code update ver 1.0.14 and listing into crex24, nothing else was achieved in order to keep up with the demands of the highly antagonistic crypto-currency market. On the contrary, fails such as not notifying Cryptopia regarding the wallet deprecation, and a poorly designed, never updated and erroneous web site, hurt Zero’s price trend and reputation significantly.

As you may are aware, the most significant targets aimed for within Quarter One (Q1) of this year were not met (a new wallet, a new Windows miner and listing in a large exchange). Upon further investigation into the development of the works, it was found that there was little to no tangible evidence that these Q1 targets would (or could) have been met based on the status of works, and efforts of the team. In addition, Zero’s current management team (manager and developer) failed to responsibly respond to the community’s request for transparency, honesty and duty of care towards the project’s investors.

There is an urgent need for a group of dedicated team members of the Zero community to take over the management of the project and to establish a collaborative team that will strive to drive Zero to the path of success.

This team plans to establish a transparent approach and to truly allow all helping hands to assist. It is evident that in order to protect and steer the project in an effective and meaningful way, that the community needs the full cooperation of the outgoing managing team.

Alas, exhibiting a rather selfish and an authoritarian mannerism, the current managing team has denied handing over any progress on the wallet, any zero code updates and any credentials of the twitter and web site accounts, claiming their “ownership” (and making us wonder if they ever had any respect and feeling of care of duty towards for the community).

We urge them to reconsider, demonstrate realism, and to verify that this project is a community project and not a toy in the hands of two people. It is evident that without sharing the social accounts’ credentials, a project rebranding will be necessary and new social accounts need to be created. Also, without sharing the progress on the wallet, the project will stall and possibly miss a potential bull market.

Egos should step aside, for all stakeholders’ common interest. This is our last call to the current team to work under the new team as co-equal members.

From an immediate point of view, steps have been taken already to realign the current direction of the project towards our concerted vision. A new mining pool has been established today, with a 1% developer's fee now in place to fund and execute new features.

New targets will be shared with the community shortly, along with a new roadmap, and leadership group.

Thank you for your continued support,

Any questions please contact - R3DEY3/ConstantinGR/Ingarium @R3DEY3 @ConstantinGR @ingarium

Zero Community


https://www.reddit.com/r/ZeroCoins/comments/8az67x/major_update_to_zero/?ref=share&ref_source=link

Taking over a project is not always easy. There are technical support and assistance that may not be readily available or accessible as a result of long time abandonment. However, with dedication, interest and committed community and developer, there may be development and progress.

As the Zero community, we would like to firstly thank the current Zero managing team for the effort put into place since the revival of our coin since the November take over.

We have ascertained that besides Zero code update ver 1.0.14 and listing into crex24, nothing else was achieved in order to keep up with the demands of the highly antagonistic crypto-currency market. On the contrary, fails such as not notifying Cryptopia regarding the wallet deprecation, and a poorly designed, never updated and erroneous web site, hurt Zero’s price trend and reputation significantly.

As you may are aware, the most significant targets aimed for within Quarter One (Q1) of this year were not met (a new wallet, a new Windows miner and listing in a large exchange). Upon further investigation into the development of the works, it was found that there was little to no tangible evidence that these Q1 targets would (or could) have been met based on the status of works, and efforts of the team. In addition, Zero’s current management team (manager and developer) failed to responsibly respond to the community’s request for transparency, honesty and duty of care towards the project’s investors.

There is an urgent need for a group of dedicated team members of the Zero community to take over the management of the project and to establish a collaborative team that will strive to drive Zero to the path of success.

This team plans to establish a transparent approach and to truly allow all helping hands to assist. It is evident that in order to protect and steer the project in an effective and meaningful way, that the community needs the full cooperation of the outgoing managing team.

Alas, exhibiting a rather selfish and an authoritarian mannerism, the current managing team has denied handing over any progress on the wallet, any zero code updates and any credentials of the twitter and web site accounts, claiming their “ownership” (and making us wonder if they ever had any respect and feeling of care of duty towards for the community).

We urge them to reconsider, demonstrate realism, and to verify that this project is a community project and not a toy in the hands of two people. It is evident that without sharing the social accounts’ credentials, a project rebranding will be necessary and new social accounts need to be created. Also, without sharing the progress on the wallet, the project will stall and possibly miss a potential bull market.

Egos should step aside, for all stakeholders’ common interest. This is our last call to the current team to work under the new team as co-equal members.

From an immediate point of view, steps have been taken already to realign the current direction of the project towards our concerted vision. A new mining pool has been established today, with a 1% developer's fee now in place to fund and execute new features.

New targets will be shared with the community shortly, along with a new roadmap, and leadership group.

Thank you for your continued support,

R3DEY3 - ConstantinGR  - Ingarium - LMC representing the Zero Community

I posted this on telegram, a couple of days ago:

I have been away lately, and the reason is disappointment because of the managing team's course of action and attitude.
It's good that finally people start to have a serious conversation here.
I didn't want to intervene, because I still hold a significant bag, but enough is enough.

So let's debunk some things:

1) Many coins have been added to many exchanges during the bear market season.

2) Demarsac promised very significant updates within a few weeks. That was posted a few weeks ago. He didn't deliver. He also said "I have never missed a deadline". Yup...
Blaming it on the bear market is ridiculous. If a bull market would start right now, he wouldn't have anything tangible yet, so Zero would miss the train.

3) No significant updates were implemented. The site is just bad, this telegram group was founded by Ingar (not the "team"). Version 1.0.14 was the bare minimum for the coin to survive, in order to implement the latest zcash updates. The Windows wallet almost died, and it was saved by Mark Sailor. Cryptopia's wallet was down for sooo long because probably the "team" forgot to notify Cryptopia about the eminent wallet deprecation on time!

4) Enough with the "none works for free" bullshit! Countless people have offered to help so far, and DM and koko (=backendmaster) turned them away. Myself and other Greeks volunteered to offer more than 500zer and to approach Hush's Leto in order to fork his web wallet and use it for zero, and DM insulted me and denied. He even threatened that he would quit! That would be very convenient, I guess, after failing to deliver his promises. Also, if you are the manager of a coin, you will get huge gains from if, so you are EXPECTED to invest on it, especially since you have been mining for a very long time, and you certainly sold a lot of coins at the ATH. As for the main "developer"(lutsifer=backendmaster=Koko=Stefan), he was making 600 zero daily for quite some time, when his pool had 30K hashrate and his fee was 2%. I don't call this "work for free"!

5) You can't expect miners to choose unreliable pools. that either crash or give less rewards. I hate Nova myself but the fact is that it doesn't crash and it pays better. I ran a benchmark for 5 days and verified this. Oh, and you can't blame Nova if you fall asleep and leave your pool being crashed for many hours, and see 2/3 of your miners leaving you (that's what happened to Forge...).

6) DM publicly threatened optiminer that he would fork ccminer (or another miner) and that his latest versions were ...cheating! Blatant crap...

7)"Zero Team"=DM & Koko. All the rest is in the sphere of imagination. These two guys rule the game. They don't want anyone else to share their toy...

8 ) When people invest their money in your altcoin, you need to RESPECT them and answer their questions honestly and without being aggressive. Yes there are always some who are off the line, but most people just want to know if they invested in something that is worth it, and this is absolutely legitimate. You can't just quote memes and say HODL and shit about weak hands. It's like saying what Church used to say "believe and don't ask questions". You have to provide tangible facts, such as github commits, screenshots, alpha builds etc.

9) The Binance banner fiasco... no need to say more here...

10) A long time ago I suggested a compulsory mining fee of 1% on ALL pools. DM rejected it. Now he complains about the lack of funds...

11) And last but not least... January's $12ATH was because of BTC ATH, because of hype by some Twitter influencers such as CryptoElon, even BTC fund manager if I recall, and of course because of zero's low market cap (which, quite conveniently was misreported by cmc) and because of the bull  market. DM taking credit for it is plain arrogant. On the contrary, when he announced the roadmap, Zero dipped and it dipped even more when he announced the (outrageous) team info data. So will zero bounce? It will probably will, thanks to a potential future bull market, and that's what DM is counting on, obviously...

12) DM said that the community pool can't even pay the server costs. Well, how can this be true, since it runs on forgetop server by lutsifer? Well, another lie...

Demarsac replied this:

About Everything:
First of all i want to thank the more than 50 different people which pm's i received since 2 days ago that wish to express their support. This is for them...
It is true that we have not managed to deliver on time the Q1 targets. I take full responsibility for this which is the reason i see myself unfit for continue to lead. But it is not the end of the world as you probably figured out. The project is still here, nothing substantial changed. Zero was here before me and will also be here long after me.
For the people that didn't get what really happened the last few days or maybe feel something is wrong and can't quite get what it is let me elaborate.
Zero Community Leadership was under attack by certain individuals that appeared 3 days ago bitching about Q1 targets. Sure it's not the best to NOT meet targets at certain periods of time but LET'S BE SERIOUS for example ETH targets are usually off by 5-8 months and still ETH is a 30-100 billion project with people that are getting paid from Ethereum foundation to develop. So what was the problem with Zero? The real problem is that in this bearish market period of time in Crypto everyone is depressed and looking for someone to blame. So these few individuals found a fertile ground to create a general disbelief about the project. What are the motives of these individuals i do not know but i do know what the result is. I also know that the real community members should have taken action by filtering out people that want to hurt the project. How do you recognize a real community member from a fake one? Unfortunately it's difficult but it's not impossible. For this i have the solution which i will explain in the end of this message.
I will also not reply to fake programmers that appeared to help and don't know Shit about programming and think "python" is just a type of snake.
I do realize that some people have different views about things and they think the project needs to go on a different direction and can do better. Maybe they can... Let's see them doing it though??? Be my guest... And I WILL help since i have only to lose if Zero doesn't progress.
Facts that for some people ARE NOT CLEAR :
All major currencies that are at least ONE YEAR OLD have sustained - 60,-70,-80,-90% since November pricing. When in 27th November 2017 we took over the project and the pricing was: ETH =470, BTC =9000, Zero=0.2. Today ETH =380, BTC = 6900, Zero=0.5. So since the day we took over if someone had Zero would have more than doubled his money as opposed to ALL OTHER MAJOR CRYPTO!!!!!!!
What happens now:
I already said i m stepping down since i felt that even though the majority of the community supported me they didn't really speak up and noone filtered out the imposters. This was the one thing the community had obligation to do. You all know who i am referring to. These certain individuals that we see every couple of months with different nicknames that come bash and bitch and then disappear and we never see those nicknames again.
People misunderstood the willingness to help and some people don't realize that WE DON'T GET PAID FOR THIS. We do this out of our own love for Zero project.
I still believe in the project and i will help anyway i can. I still have a large portion of Zeros as an investor because lets face it Zero is far better than any other similar coin..
I am creating a new telegram group for True Believers and true community members. This is going to be a lobby YES a lobby of people that have PROVEN FROM HISTORY that they want what is best for Zero and there we will talk about how to help Zero progress. Things will be decided there with voting. The initial group of people will be 10-15 people and I will chose who to invite. After that if someone from this group of people wants to invite extra members-New members THAT PROVENLY STRIVE FOR THE GOOD OF ZERO it will be done only after recommendation - deliberation - decision by majority of this group. I will not have an increased role in that group. I will be just another member that loves Zero and wants it tosucceed.
Meanwhile if someone wants to takeover this project and work for free as i did for 5 months with no compensation PLEASE DO SO. This is not related to the group i will make.
I will help, i promise and the newly created group of True Believers will be as a helping hand of the New Governance.
I will create this group on Tuesday and i wish a Happy Easter to Christian Orthodox people around the globe.
PS. I haven't read all pm's yet since they are so many but i will read them all.
PPS. I would suggest to Admins in this chat room to take initiative and clean up the chat room from people that provenly try to hurt the project in order to take customers for their own crypto. It is very obvious who these people are. People that appeared 3 days ago and only bitch, people that felt that ME ADMITTING WE NEED HELP thought it's a sign of weakness and decided to start bitching to hurt the project.... it's that simple.

My counter-response:

DM avoided answering all my points, by just claiming I said something personal to him. I think that this is an insult to everyone's intelligence here. It's a common trick politicians do, to dismiss legit questions.

He also played the "quitting" card. Wow, well expected! He failed to deliver and after having wasted 4 months because he wanted to do/control everything by himself, not he wants to throw away the hot potato. Well done DM, great sense of responsibility!

As for my "insult", here's the story: Two weeks ago, I was worried that the Q1 goals wouldn't be met. Thanks to HBits  and @R3DEY3, we had the chance to approach Leto (Hush coin dev) and ask him to help us adapt his web wallet in order to use it for Zero. I mentioned this to another telegram Group I have made for Greeks only, and within a couple of hours, people like E P and Petros (and my self) agreed to donate a significant amount of zer to pay Leto. But in order to go on, I asked DM for transparency, to reveal where the community address coins went to, and which is the address that collects the fees from the community pool. DM's answer was that he felt insulted I doubted his integrity, and that he would only make a wallet with the devs of his choice. That was the first time he threatened to quit if we didn't like the way he was doing things, acting like a dictator.

From that point on, I decided to stay quiet and see If he could indeed deliver his promises. We all know that he didn't.

yes no problem

Hi;

We should understand that kind of this projects are useless if there is no proper wallet. I understand their excuses, it is understandable. The current state of the market is not good for any project especially privacy coins. As they promissed, if we can have a good community miner and wallet, we can't loose.

Kind regards

Cryptopia it's a pretty big exchange for such kind shitcoin coin.

cryptopia-wallet is no work

Yes and the reason is obvious. Q1 goals have not been met and the Team failed to bring Zero to a big exchange. They are just posting weak excuses why it has not happened.
What is the new time line for a big exchange? "When the bear market is over" is truly ridiculous. A coin should be developed completely independent from wheter it is a bear or bull market. As an investor, I want to have more clear communication with comcrete information, not some blabla about bear market. I still believe in the project but if there are delays in the timeline, give us the info and provide new dates, dont talk BS.
Same goes with the other goals, "it is too expensive" is no promising statement.

I am not asking the devs too leave as I believe in their work. But PLEASE hire someone with better public relations and marketing skills. Otherwise this project will fail, even with the best technology. We need better communication to investors and a way to make the brand more famous.

cryptopia has 0 connections, no block hight, what is this about?

Effective immediately I’m calling on Demarsac and the entire dev team to turn in their resignations. The price has cratered and some whales are unloading — I wouldn’t be surprised to see price hit 10 cents or less. This is a community coin and I ask the dev team to do the honorable thing and hand it back to a competent group. All hope is not lost but until there is a leadership change, this is looking like a dead project and may eventually be worth about as much as the name implies.

ZER price is crashing like stone.
Sad