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newbie
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So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh
CHA=chancecoin
and
CHA=CharityCoin
The question is, who used it first?

No it doesn't matter. There is no copyright on cryptocurrency name.
There is many cryptos with the same name. You only remember the most important one.
In this case, CHA=chancecoin.


I think we just use CHA should be fine as it's the name that I have heard for Chancecoin long time ago.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh
CHA=chancecoin
and
CHA=CharityCoin
The question is, who used it first?

No it doesn't matter. There is no copyright on cryptocurrency name.
There is many cryptos with the same name. You only remember the most important one.
In this case, CHA=chancecoin.


I never asked if it mattered. I asked a simple question that has now been dodged by not one, but two people now. That alone tells me the answer. I am just a confused trader that was looking at ticker symbols thinking it was the same coin.

I am well aware that some tickers are not copyrighted (and if they were I am certain it would not be known bc the simple act of looking to see if the ticker wanted was already in use had already been overlooked), but what fool would try to use the ticker "btc" for example? or any that is already in use, for that matter. It just works against the coin if that ticker is listed on an exchange as a different coin before you show up with yours. I could come very close to copying your exact username on this forum, but that would be ignorant.

I thought one of the main points of cryptos was being frictionless?
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1131
So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh
CHA=chancecoin
and
CHA=CharityCoin
The question is, who used it first?

No it doesn't matter. There is no copyright on cryptocurrency name.
There is many cryptos with the same name. You only remember the most important one.
In this case, CHA=chancecoin.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh

CHA=chancecoin
and
CHA=CharityCoin

The question is, who used it first?
full member
Activity: 408
Merit: 100
So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh

CHA=chancecoin
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
So who was using CHA first?
ChanceCoin? or CharityCoin?
 Huh
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
Hello,

I'm a crypto lurker but saw Chance Coin on Hacker News last week and out of curiosity I'm using it and would like to provide some feedback.

Unfortunately I'm experiencing a number of issues that I would like to share.
Where is the best place to report them? 
Not all of them are bugs that I can replicate consistently yet, or are user/useability issues.

I'm running the Java client on Win7 and OSX-Mavericks.

Examples of some of the issues.
- Decentralized Exchange, sometimes my bids do not show in the order book, possibly how I format my input values?
- Decentralized Exchange, long lag time for my orders to show sometimes, 10-15mins.
- Casino, if you refresh the page after placing a bet, it will place the bet again, it appears neither bet will officially go through but they sit on the book until they time out.
- Casino, huge wait times, I have a bet in Pending for 16+ hours now, other bets took approx 4 hours to process, is this normal, what is expected?
- Casino to Wallet when clicking on a Source Address in Casino, I have noticed the CHA balance is different between what the owner sees and what another user sees (in my case an increased amount).
- Wallet, it would be great to know what amount is in escrow
- Wallet, it would be great to see a transaction history for my CHA and BTC balance

Some help text would be useful in some areas on the site, examples on how to use a feature, expected input/output, wait times.
Notes on where fees would be applied to transactions.

In my Wallet, can I send my BTC out to another address? 
Looking at the UI it is suggesting it will send my CHA, and what address am I sending it to? A BTC address?


Thank you for taking the time to review these points and send me in the right direction.
full member
Activity: 408
Merit: 100

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.

not 100% but 99%. Or to put it differently, it would be so expensive and difficult to do that it would maybe make sense if the market cap of CHA is 10 billion US, but then the developer can still change the data source when that happens

Show me a datastream that no single person can manipulate that offers relatively correct odds for sporting events? What I'm saying is that sites that offer gambling rely on mediating. A single person there can fuck with the API stream and place bets. That wouldn't be expensive..

What I'm trying to say is, no Yahoo employee will risk losing his job to win maybe 5000 USD on a bet (assuming 1% maximum bet at 500k USD market cap). This will become relevant if the market cap climbs, though.

Also, I think it's more important to attract more people to involve in CHA in this stage.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.

not 100% but 99%. Or to put it differently, it would be so expensive and difficult to do that it would maybe make sense if the market cap of CHA is 10 billion US, but then the developer can still change the data source when that happens

Show me a datastream that no single person can manipulate that offers relatively correct odds for sporting events? What I'm saying is that sites that offer gambling rely on mediating. A single person there can fuck with the API stream and place bets. That wouldn't be expensive..

What I'm trying to say is, no Yahoo employee will risk losing his job to win maybe 5000 USD on a bet (assuming 1% maximum bet at 500k USD market cap). This will become relevant if the market cap climbs, though.

1. Yahoo doesn't provide such a stream, gambling sites do. I don't trust those sites.
2. You can place multiple bets, can't you? If you place 10000 bets with ridiculous payoffs, then you can win millions of CHA. Do the math.
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.

not 100% but 99%. Or to put it differently, it would be so expensive and difficult to do that it would maybe make sense if the market cap of CHA is 10 billion US, but then the developer can still change the data source when that happens

Show me a datastream that no single person can manipulate that offers relatively correct odds for sporting events? What I'm saying is that sites that offer gambling rely on mediating. A single person there can fuck with the API stream and place bets. That wouldn't be expensive..

What I'm trying to say is, no Yahoo employee will risk losing his job to win maybe 5000 USD on a bet (assuming 1% maximum bet at 500k USD market cap). This will become relevant if the market cap climbs, though.
full member
Activity: 220
Merit: 100
Wait. for the new function of CHA!
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.

not 100% but 99%. Or to put it differently, it would be so expensive and difficult to do that it would maybe make sense if the market cap of CHA is 10 billion US, but then the developer can still change the data source when that happens

Show me a datastream that no single person can manipulate that offers relatively correct odds for sporting events? What I'm saying is that sites that offer gambling rely on mediating. A single person there can fuck with the API stream and place bets. That wouldn't be expensive..
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.

not 100% but 99%. Or to put it differently, it would be so expensive and difficult to do that it would only make sense if the market cap of CHA is 10 billion US, but then the developer can still change the data source when that happens
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.

You might think that, but you can't make it 100% sure that those result streams from those websites can't be manipulated.

If these functonalities get implemented, where it isn't 100% tamper proof, I will sell all my CHA.
full member
Activity: 408
Merit: 100
Dec+c is ok, but not in this situation. How are wrong payouts handled? How are refunds handled? How are wrong odds handled? How are manipulation of the odds feed handled? There are tons of problems. Also please show me a single provide of gambling odds that is as trustworthy as the NY lottery?

All these depend on the data from authoritative website such as Yahoo whatever the data wrong or right.Set up the rule,no one will complain even sometimes the data is wrong.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com
Step 3: sports betting via decentralised system that determines the odds

Everyone is talking about betting sport but this cannot be decentralized.


why not? it's basically an exchange with prices that determine the odds. house edge could be easily implemented, hardcoding of the results shouldn't be extremely difficult. or am i missing something?

from where do you get 100% reliable and 100% true results without any trust issues.

How does the software post the bets? How could this ever be automated? Take bets from a centralised site? Can be manipulated.

I am 99% sure that sportsbetting can't be added..

Casino games on the other hand. Easy

i'd like to hear one of the developers comment on this. the results would obviously be a problem, though a very similar one to the randomness problem that was solved via the ny lottery drawings. the community would agree on a source for the results and that would be kept until it goes down.
the rest in my view (posting the bets) could be achieved just like a decentralised exchange works.

Who sets the odds?

If you think sportsbetting can be added easily you are delusional.

There are so many probelms that come to mind. How are refunds ect handeled? How are bets handeled that get canceled because the house calculated the odds wrong?

i don't say it's easy, what i'm saying is it should be technically possible and achievable.

the odds would be set by a market, as i said just like the decentralised exchange works. betting is like trading a digital option or maybe a cfd.
i also see a lot of problems of different sizes, though nothing that's really making this impossible. no refunds obviously, does bitcoin allow for refunds if you got robbed?

again, i haven't had time to actually think through every aspect, so i'd be happy if someone proved me wrong, though nobody has so far.

Who can decide "team A won" and "team B lose" ? An admin ? Only manually ?

Very easy. API from authoritative website such as Yahoo.

who sets the odds?

And don't say market, we have no market, we don't have one. It must be decentralised and trustless...

It can be centralized somewhere. Why not? What is more important? Attractive functions.

Decentralization+centralization is better sometimes.It will have advantages of both.

Dec+c is ok, but not in this situation. How are wrong payouts handled? How are refunds handled? How are wrong odds handled? How are manipulation of the odds feed handled? There are tons of problems. Also please show me a single provide of gambling odds that is as trustworthy as the NY lottery?
full member
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Step 3: sports betting via decentralised system that determines the odds

Everyone is talking about betting sport but this cannot be decentralized.


why not? it's basically an exchange with prices that determine the odds. house edge could be easily implemented, hardcoding of the results shouldn't be extremely difficult. or am i missing something?

from where do you get 100% reliable and 100% true results without any trust issues.

How does the software post the bets? How could this ever be automated? Take bets from a centralised site? Can be manipulated.

I am 99% sure that sportsbetting can't be added..

Casino games on the other hand. Easy

i'd like to hear one of the developers comment on this. the results would obviously be a problem, though a very similar one to the randomness problem that was solved via the ny lottery drawings. the community would agree on a source for the results and that would be kept until it goes down.
the rest in my view (posting the bets) could be achieved just like a decentralised exchange works.

Who sets the odds?

If you think sportsbetting can be added easily you are delusional.

There are so many probelms that come to mind. How are refunds ect handeled? How are bets handeled that get canceled because the house calculated the odds wrong?

i don't say it's easy, what i'm saying is it should be technically possible and achievable.

the odds would be set by a market, as i said just like the decentralised exchange works. betting is like trading a digital option or maybe a cfd.
i also see a lot of problems of different sizes, though nothing that's really making this impossible. no refunds obviously, does bitcoin allow for refunds if you got robbed?

again, i haven't had time to actually think through every aspect, so i'd be happy if someone proved me wrong, though nobody has so far.

Who can decide "team A won" and "team B lose" ? An admin ? Only manually ?

Very easy. API from authoritative website such as Yahoo.

who sets the odds?

And don't say market, we have no market, we don't have one. It must be decentralised and trustless...

It can be centralized somewhere. Why not? What is more important? Attractive and easily used and clear functions.

Decentralization+centralization is better sometimes.It will have advantages of both.
legendary
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CEO Bitpanda.com


Alright, per definition can you not have a betting system without either p2p interaction or central authority. The question here is how far should CHA go, if the limit is p2p interaction then obviously you can't go far beyond dice games or roulette. The interesting part of the gambling world is in interaction with other players, though. So I'd say why not introduce interaction (at a later point probably, first things first)

There is already a coin/system that does that. And basically all people that invested in this coin don't want to trust somebody. The whole appeal of this coin is that noone can cheat here.

Lets look at it another way. Why is BTC so awesome? Nobody can manipulate the total number of coins. Same goes for CHA.

Now we introduce your sportsbet manager that sets the "fair" odds. What happens if he goes rouge or makes a big mistake? Like he creates 500000 new coins by accident (fat finger)?
This isn't all to unrealistic... Mistakes happen all the time.

I'd rather see a fork with those features, than see that implemented into CHA. CHA should focus on all the casino games that are out there. Slots, roulette, blackjack, dice, and many more...

A market is as fair as it gets, I'm not in favour of a sportsbet manager. I mean I think we're at a dead end here, I think you're excluding a lot of gambling by excluding interactions with other players (such as one of the most popular casino games, namely poker), but if you don't think so I can't change that and I see your point.

Don't get me wrong, we can add a p2p layer ontop of CHA where players can bet against EACH OTHER. Just not against the house, thats all Im saying!

Cool would be a system like this: People place their bets, if more than say 50 bets for one event are placed, the odds could be determined (let's say 20:30, so 2:3) so then the whole thing is resolved via chancecoins usual system (coins are created for the winners, destroyed for the losers)
That would bring P2P and CHA's original concept together. Only problem is abuse, one guy places all the 50 bets, and there are no "arbitrageurs" who bet against him. Don't know if that's killing the idea or if one could protect against this.

The system must be 100% un-exploitable and trust-less. So the only way would be a system like betfair or http://bitbet.us/. Those systems are pretty solid and can be implemented easily. CHA could introduce "rake", a fee that would be deducted from the payout of the winner. This way the other CHA holder would profit from the bets made on CHA network.
sr. member
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Alright, per definition can you not have a betting system without either p2p interaction or central authority. The question here is how far should CHA go, if the limit is p2p interaction then obviously you can't go far beyond dice games or roulette. The interesting part of the gambling world is in interaction with other players, though. So I'd say why not introduce interaction (at a later point probably, first things first)

There is already a coin/system that does that. And basically all people that invested in this coin don't want to trust somebody. The whole appeal of this coin is that noone can cheat here.

Lets look at it another way. Why is BTC so awesome? Nobody can manipulate the total number of coins. Same goes for CHA.

Now we introduce your sportsbet manager that sets the "fair" odds. What happens if he goes rouge or makes a big mistake? Like he creates 500000 new coins by accident (fat finger)?
This isn't all to unrealistic... Mistakes happen all the time.

I'd rather see a fork with those features, than see that implemented into CHA. CHA should focus on all the casino games that are out there. Slots, roulette, blackjack, dice, and many more...

A market is as fair as it gets, I'm not in favour of a sportsbet manager. I mean I think we're at a dead end here, I think you're excluding a lot of gambling by excluding interactions with other players (such as one of the most popular casino games, namely poker), but if you don't think so I can't change that and I see your point.

Don't get me wrong, we can add a p2p layer ontop of CHA where players can bet against EACH OTHER. Just not against the house, thats all Im saying!

Cool would be a system like this: People place their bets, if more than say 50 bets for one event are placed, the odds could be determined (let's say 20:30, so 2:3) so then the whole thing is resolved via chancecoins usual system (coins are created for the winners, destroyed for the losers)
That would bring P2P and CHA's original concept together. Only problem is abuse, one guy places all the 50 bets, and there are no "arbitrageurs" who bet against him. Don't know if that's killing the idea or if one could protect against this.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1001
CEO Bitpanda.com


Alright, per definition can you not have a betting system without either p2p interaction or central authority. The question here is how far should CHA go, if the limit is p2p interaction then obviously you can't go far beyond dice games or roulette. The interesting part of the gambling world is in interaction with other players, though. So I'd say why not introduce interaction (at a later point probably, first things first)

There is already a coin/system that does that. And basically all people that invested in this coin don't want to trust somebody. The whole appeal of this coin is that noone can cheat here.

Lets look at it another way. Why is BTC so awesome? Nobody can manipulate the total number of coins. Same goes for CHA.

Now we introduce your sportsbet manager that sets the "fair" odds. What happens if he goes rouge or makes a big mistake? Like he creates 500000 new coins by accident (fat finger)?
This isn't all to unrealistic... Mistakes happen all the time.

I'd rather see a fork with those features, than see that implemented into CHA. CHA should focus on all the casino games that are out there. Slots, roulette, blackjack, dice, and many more...

A market is as fair as it gets, I'm not in favour of a sportsbet manager. I mean I think we're at a dead end here, I think you're excluding a lot of gambling by excluding interactions with other players (such as one of the most popular casino games, namely poker), but if you don't think so I can't change that and I see your point.

Don't get me wrong, we can add a p2p layer ontop of CHA where players can bet against EACH OTHER. Just not against the house, thats all Im saying!
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