Author

Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 130. (Read 1151252 times)

legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1057
Hello! i want to claim CLAMS from old DOGE addresses but this site www.clamchecker.com don't work now.Why ? Can i still claim CLAMS or is this now over?
legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
Take ETH/ETC, if you had ETH when there block chain forked, you had just as many ETC.  This is almost the same.
It is actually not even remotely the same, for better or worse. Giving equal amounts to near-dust as large balances enormously changes the distribution.
In the sense of being a snapshot of a single block, I would assume that part is correct but I wasn't around and haven't looked closely so I can't be sure.

This is accurate, including the 'for better or worse'. 
 
The goal of the CLAM distribution was to get CLAM into the hands of the largest possible number of people in the crypto community. 
At the time, the best representation of that group were the networks BTC, LTC and DOGE (all other networks were insignificant by something like an order of magnitude). 
 
Unfortunately, the distribution of Bitcoin (especially at the time of CLAM's launch) resembled what in 'altcoin' parlance would be called an insta-mine. 
Of course, this 'insta-mine' occurred over a quite long period of time during the nascent early years of BTC, as opposed to a strategic operation as in a scamcoin. 
 
There was talk of simply hand-eliminating coinbase outputs and/or specific known addresses. 
However, that solution was untenable and subjective. 
 
Distributing based on addresses introduces secondary problems, however. 
For instance, gambling services and faucets often create a large number of outputs/addresses. 
The elimination of small outputs (using the objective measure of the network's dust parameter) was introduced to help limit this issue. 
 
The choice to base the distribution on addresses was an imperfect attempt to distribute the funds in an even manner to the widest possible set of active crypto users. 
Judging by the large percentage of CLAM yet unclaimed, I would suggest the above goal was at least partly met. 
I think everyone missed the point I was trying to make.  Although it did lead to an interesting discussion.  I was simple trying to explain that the clams distribution was at a single block height in time.  The OP was asking why it wasn't spread out over several days, or was implying it was.  I was just trying to use the ETH/ETC analogy to help explain the snap shot not the actual distribution.   

But I'm glad everyone is keeping me honest....   Smiley   
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1002
CLAM Developer
Take ETH/ETC, if you had ETH when there block chain forked, you had just as many ETC.  This is almost the same.
It is actually not even remotely the same, for better or worse. Giving equal amounts to near-dust as large balances enormously changes the distribution.
In the sense of being a snapshot of a single block, I would assume that part is correct but I wasn't around and haven't looked closely so I can't be sure.

This is accurate, including the 'for better or worse'. 
 
The goal of the CLAM distribution was to get CLAM into the hands of the largest possible number of people in the crypto community. 
At the time, the best representation of that group were the networks BTC, LTC and DOGE (all other networks were insignificant by something like an order of magnitude). 
 
Unfortunately, the distribution of Bitcoin (especially at the time of CLAM's launch) resembled what in 'altcoin' parlance would be called an insta-mine. 
Of course, this 'insta-mine' occurred over a quite long period of time during the nascent early years of BTC, as opposed to a strategic operation as in a scamcoin. 
 
There was talk of simply hand-eliminating coinbase outputs and/or specific known addresses. 
However, that solution was untenable and subjective. 
 
Distributing based on addresses introduces secondary problems, however. 
For instance, gambling services and faucets often create a large number of outputs/addresses. 
The elimination of small outputs (using the objective measure of the network's dust parameter) was introduced to help limit this issue. 
 
The choice to base the distribution on addresses was an imperfect attempt to distribute the funds in an even manner to the widest possible set of active crypto users. 
Judging by the large percentage of CLAM yet unclaimed, I would suggest the above goal was at least partly met. 
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1023
Is there anyway to clam clams from a mobile wallet?

Yes

You just need to be able to get to the .dat or the private key. 



That's the issue. Mobile only provides encrypted key and no .dat so not able to find a compatible wallet

Which mobile wallet are you using? Each different wallet probably handles it differently but there is probably a way to recover the private keys for the addresses in some manner.
newbie
Activity: 45
Merit: 0
Is there anyway to clam clams from a mobile wallet?

Yes

You just need to be able to get to the .dat or the private key. 



That's the issue. Mobile only provides encrypted key and no .dat so not able to find a compatible wallet
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
Am i late to clam party? or its still a good price to buy?
sr. member
Activity: 719
Merit: 388
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
any news on CLAM?.....WHY RISING?
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
Is there anyway to clam clams from a mobile wallet?

Yes

You just need to be able to get to the .dat or the private key. 

newbie
Activity: 45
Merit: 0
Is there anyway to clam clams from a mobile wallet?
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Take ETH/ETC, if you had ETH when there block chain forked, you had just as many ETC.  This is almost the same.

It is actually not even remotely the same, for better or worse. Giving equal amounts to near-dust as large balances enormously changes the distribution.

In the sense of being a snapshot of a single block, I would assume that part is correct but I wasn't around and haven't looked closely so I can't be sure.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
Is it still possible to find a bootstrap file somewhere?

Yes.  Use your eyes and search button or check the Just-Dice.com FAQ.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1008
 Is it still possible to find a bootstrap file somewhere?
hero member
Activity: 905
Merit: 502
I miss dooglus
legendary
Activity: 1007
Merit: 1000
yeah i searched before posting, and on reddit they don't mention that you only get the coins from the 12th of the month of may, but you get everything prior the 16th of the month, look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2pjeh5/heard_about_this_clam_stuff_how_i_got_64_in/

I don't know why the particular block heights were chosen. I didn't hear about CLAM until a while after it launched.

The specific blocks at which the snapshots were taken:

   BTC block 300377 (2014-05-12 12:48:17)
   LTC block 565693 (2014-05-12 13:06:31)
  DOGE block 218556 (2014-05-12 13:09:17)

but why on reddit they are implying otherwise? i find it strange that you have only one day windows for the claiming, it make more sense if there was a range of days, well i think i'm going to throw a wallet at it and see what i can get

   Reddit is wrong.  It's a snapshot.   It was all addresses that had non-dust amounts at that second in time.  This is the same process that millions of other coins have done.  Take ETH/ETC, if you had ETH when there block chain forked, you had just as many ETC.  This is almost the same.  If you had BTC/LTC/DOGE at the snapshot time, in an address, you got clams.  Actually you have forever to claim them, but you only got them if you had addresses at the snapshot time. 

   They took a snap shot of each block chain.  Calculated what addresses had non-dust amounts still in them at that point.  Then preloaded the clams blockchain with 4.3 clams per clams address that corrosponded to the BTC/LTC/DOGE address.   
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1022
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
yeah i searched before posting, and on reddit they don't mention that you only get the coins from the 12th of the month of may, but you get everything prior the 16th of the month, look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2pjeh5/heard_about_this_clam_stuff_how_i_got_64_in/

I don't know why the particular block heights were chosen. I didn't hear about CLAM until a while after it launched.

The specific blocks at which the snapshots were taken:

   BTC block 300377 (2014-05-12 12:48:17)
   LTC block 565693 (2014-05-12 13:06:31)
  DOGE block 218556 (2014-05-12 13:09:17)

but why on reddit they are implying otherwise? i find it strange that you have only one day windows for the claiming, it make more sense if there was a range of days, well i think i'm going to throw a wallet at it and see what i can get
hero member
Activity: 651
Merit: 518
Trade volume increasing, much room upwards!  Wink

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
yeah i searched before posting, and on reddit they don't mention that you only get the coins from the 12th of the month of may, but you get everything prior the 16th of the month, look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2pjeh5/heard_about_this_clam_stuff_how_i_got_64_in/

I don't know why the particular block heights were chosen. I didn't hear about CLAM until a while after it launched.

The specific blocks at which the snapshots were taken:

   BTC block 300377 (2014-05-12 12:48:17)
   LTC block 565693 (2014-05-12 13:06:31)
  DOGE block 218556 (2014-05-12 13:09:17)
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1022
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
This is what I did:

1) Downloaded the clam client.  It was taking forever so I downloaded the block chain snapshots.  This took a few days.
2) Emptied out my Bitcoin wallet (transferred all the coins to my Trezor hardware wallet).
3) Imported my Bitcoin wallet into my Clam wallet.
4) Got a few clams because some of the addresses in my Bitcoin wallet had value on the distribution date.

Pretty easy.

There is a lot of information about this if you just search for it.  Try Google.  That is the search engine I use.

why only on that particular day there is a reason behind this?
Because it is by far the fairest and most efficient way to create an initial distribution of coins.  If you have an idea for a better way you can, of course, create your own coin using your method.

yeah i searched before posting, and on reddit they don't mention that you only get the coins from the 12th of the month of may, but you get everything prior the 16th of the month, look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2pjeh5/heard_about_this_clam_stuff_how_i_got_64_in/
Jump to: