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Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 167. (Read 1151252 times)

sr. member
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I'm trying to search everywhere. Is there a certain percentage you earn from staking clam or is it just random? Thanks

1 CLAM stake reward is paid per minute (1440/day), distributed across all the coins staking. The latter varies but is usually around 1-1.5 million. Divide your stake by that number and multiply by 1440 to tell how much per day you would expect. Last I calculated it was around 3% per month, but that might be out of date by now.

Example: with 1000 CLAM staking by you and assume 1 million CLAM total staking on the network you should get 1/1000 of the rewards or 1.44 CLAM/day. Of course randomly it could be less or more than this on any given day.



where I can find the total number of staking clams?

Use the getstakinginfo command in the wallet. If you are using the Qt wallet you might have to find the debug window.



"expectedtime" : ******

is in second or minutes?
legendary
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I'm trying to search everywhere. Is there a certain percentage you earn from staking clam or is it just random? Thanks

1 CLAM stake reward is paid per minute (1440/day), distributed across all the coins staking. The latter varies but is usually around 1-1.5 million. Divide your stake by that number and multiply by 1440 to tell how much per day you would expect. Last I calculated it was around 3% per month, but that might be out of date by now.

Example: with 1000 CLAM staking by you and assume 1 million CLAM total staking on the network you should get 1/1000 of the rewards or 1.44 CLAM/day. Of course randomly it could be less or more than this on any given day.



where I can find the total number of staking clams?

Use the getstakinginfo command in the wallet. If you are using the Qt wallet you might have to find the debug window.

sr. member
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I'm trying to search everywhere. Is there a certain percentage you earn from staking clam or is it just random? Thanks

1 CLAM stake reward is paid per minute (1440/day), distributed across all the coins staking. The latter varies but is usually around 1-1.5 million. Divide your stake by that number and multiply by 1440 to tell how much per day you would expect. Last I calculated it was around 3% per month, but that might be out of date by now.

Example: with 1000 CLAM staking by you and assume 1 million CLAM total staking on the network you should get 1/1000 of the rewards or 1.44 CLAM/day. Of course randomly it could be less or more than this on any given day.



where I can find the total number of staking clams?
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
I'm trying to search everywhere. Is there a certain percentage you earn from staking clam or is it just random? Thanks

1 CLAM stake reward is paid per minute (1440/day), distributed across all the coins staking. The latter varies but is usually around 1-1.5 million. Divide your stake by that number and multiply by 1440 to tell how much per day you would expect. Last I calculated it was around 3% per month, but that might be out of date by now.

Example: with 1000 CLAM staking by you and assume 1 million CLAM total staking on the network you should get 1/1000 of the rewards or 1.44 CLAM/day. Of course randomly it could be less or more than this on any given day.

hero member
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I'm trying to search everywhere. Is there a certain percentage you earn from staking clam or is it just random? Thanks
legendary
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how the fuk u mine this?>?
You dont mine it you stake it since its a POS coin.
To learn more about proof of stake check OP or FAQ of just-dice.com
This guy is making mobile staking wallets : 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/service-android-2-btc-google-play-android-qt-wallet-compilation-1065204
The cost is two BTC so i tought maybe the community would do a crowdfunding.
This address is owned by SebastianJu that will act as escrow for the funds to be raised
18Me4dCRBPvHQnuqsQPFWzcGTnJsUHpa1E
Also he left this jd uid for clams 1418619.

Edit: Seems that price is reduced to 1 btc, i kinda missed it, total crowdfund should be of 1.025 btc so we can cover little for seba too.
^


Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.

I messaged him. Willing to front the Bitcoin for the wallet, and take donations after or whatever.

The developer of Staking mobile wallets is currently too busy to take on assignments. If anyone else has a contact for this please post here or PM me.
Maybe a post in services would help?
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
how the fuk u mine this?>?
You dont mine it you stake it since its a POS coin.
To learn more about proof of stake check OP or FAQ of just-dice.com
This guy is making mobile staking wallets : 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/service-android-2-btc-google-play-android-qt-wallet-compilation-1065204
The cost is two BTC so i tought maybe the community would do a crowdfunding.
This address is owned by SebastianJu that will act as escrow for the funds to be raised
18Me4dCRBPvHQnuqsQPFWzcGTnJsUHpa1E
Also he left this jd uid for clams 1418619.

Edit: Seems that price is reduced to 1 btc, i kinda missed it, total crowdfund should be of 1.025 btc so we can cover little for seba too.
^


Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.

I messaged him. Willing to front the Bitcoin for the wallet, and take donations after or whatever.

The developer of Staking mobile wallets is currently too busy to take on assignments. If anyone else has a contact for this please post here or PM me.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 500
how the fuk u mine this?>?
You dont mine it you stake it since its a POS coin.
To learn more about proof of stake check OP or FAQ of just-dice.com
This guy is making mobile staking wallets : 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/service-android-2-btc-google-play-android-qt-wallet-compilation-1065204
The cost is two BTC so i tought maybe the community would do a crowdfunding.
This address is owned by SebastianJu that will act as escrow for the funds to be raised
18Me4dCRBPvHQnuqsQPFWzcGTnJsUHpa1E
Also he left this jd uid for clams 1418619.

Edit: Seems that price is reduced to 1 btc, i kinda missed it, total crowdfund should be of 1.025 btc so we can cover little for seba too.
^


Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.

I messaged him. Willing to front the Bitcoin for the wallet, and take donations after or whatever.
legendary
Activity: 2940
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About the 70 CLAM outputs I would wait them to mint a block and let them spilt "naturally"

When the hot wallet needs refilling, I always refill it using the biggest outputs from the staking wallet - so that's probably what will happen to those 70's.

Here's the last refill transaction - you can see it spending a bunch of 70-ish outputs from the staking wallet, and making a bunch of 100's in the hot wallet.

I fill the hot wallet with 100's, because it's common for people to want to withdraw amounts in the 1000's, and so I want to have some decent sized inputs available to fund those withdrawals with.

Edit: forgot link: http://khashier.com/tx/52c06646063196877f6ee1de190a197795dd210a168d79b85b557d5eb94dbe80
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1047
how the fuk u mine this?>?
You dont mine it you stake it since its a POS coin.
To learn more about proof of stake check OP or FAQ of just-dice.com
This guy is making mobile staking wallets : 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/service-android-2-btc-google-play-android-qt-wallet-compilation-1065204
The cost is two BTC so i tought maybe the community would do a crowdfunding.
This address is owned by SebastianJu that will act as escrow for the funds to be raised
18Me4dCRBPvHQnuqsQPFWzcGTnJsUHpa1E
Also he left this jd uid for clams 1418619.

Edit: Seems that price is reduced to 1 btc, i kinda missed it, total crowdfund should be of 1.025 btc so we can cover little for seba too.
^


Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.
legendary
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Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.

Is this really a 3-hour project?
sr. member
Activity: 504
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Ok, I am tired of Clam not having a mobile wallet so here goes. I have 500 CLAM for anyone that develops a working Android wallet with basic wallet functionality in a 'Clam design' (as per the desktop wallet). I am primarily looking for bids from Developers wanting to take on the project. Must have references from previous mobile wallet creation.
sr. member
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Is there any math I can run to calculate the most efficient output for an N difficulty?

An output of size 2N will stake about as often as two outputs each of size N, and so in terms of how often your outputs stake it really doesn't matter what size they are.

The only important consideration is that when the output of size 2N stakes, the whole 2N+1 value sits idle for 500 blocks (8 hours) while it matures. When one of the two separate outputs of size N stakes, the other one continues trying to stake while the first one waits to mature. So splitting the output is more efficient for that reason only.

The more outputs you split your coins into, the less percentage of your coins are sitting idle waiting to mature at any time. So the "most efficient output" size is, I guess, 1 satoshi.

The problem with splitting that small is that it takes a finite amount of time to check each output for staking, and it costs a finite amount of transaction fee per output to spend it. So you need to balance splitting to minimize loss due to the 500 block maturity delay with loss due to transaction fees when you finally come to spend your outputs and CPU time burned to check for staking.

I find that making my outputs somewhere in the 20 to 40 CLAM range works fine.

If 1000 CLAMs stakes about once per day, then 3000 CLAMs stakes about once per 500 blocks, so if my outputs are 30 CLAMs each then about 1% of them are idle waiting to mature at any point in time.

Right now the Just-Dice staking wallet has 1,195,215 CLAMs. 1,179,875 are actively trying to stake and 15,340 are waiting to mature. That's around 1.28% of them that was sitting idle. Probably it's over 1% because on average they are over 30 CLAMs each. Counting the number of immature outputs of each size:

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$ clamd listunspent 0 500 '[]' 0 | grep amount | awk '{print $3}' | tr -d , | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c
     23 20
      1 23
      1 28
      6 31
     31 32
     14 33
      2 34
    158 35
     65 36
     18 37
     74 38
     32 39

ie. there are 23 immature outputs of size 20 CLAM, etc.

Counting all outputs, whether mature or not we see that I have quite a range of sizes, from 17 CLAMs all the way up to 70 CLAMs:

Quote
$ clamd listunspent 0 9999999 '[]' 0 | grep amount | awk '{print $3}' | tr -d , | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c
  39822 17
   2856 18
     86 19
     26 20
     28 22
     60 23
     40 24
      5 25
      3 26
      1 27
     39 28
      6 29
      5 30
   2055 31
    892 32
    182 33
     31 34
   4418 35
   1331 36
    266 37
   1926 38
    476 39
     75 41
     49 42
      6 43
      2 44
      3 54
      1 57
     45 67
     10 68
    343 70

Those 70 CLAM outputs are probably too big to be efficient, but it's not clear whether it's better to manually split them (wasting 4 hours of staking time per transaction) or leave them staking and let them split themselves when they next stake.
Thank you for the clear explanation!
You and all the other nice guys of this project have been always polite and available to reply to all of my questions both here and on the IRC channel! I really hope to see the calm coin around here for long time!
About the 70 CLAM outputs I would wait them to mint a block and let them spilt "naturally"
Bye
legendary
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Is there any math I can run to calculate the most efficient output for an N difficulty?

An output of size 2N will stake about as often as two outputs each of size N, and so in terms of how often your outputs stake it really doesn't matter what size they are.

The only important consideration is that when the output of size 2N stakes, the whole 2N+1 value sits idle for 500 blocks (8 hours) while it matures. When one of the two separate outputs of size N stakes, the other one continues trying to stake while the first one waits to mature. So splitting the output is more efficient for that reason only.

The more outputs you split your coins into, the less percentage of your coins are sitting idle waiting to mature at any time. So the "most efficient output" size is, I guess, 1 satoshi.

The problem with splitting that small is that it takes a finite amount of time to check each output for staking, and it costs a finite amount of transaction fee per output to spend it. So you need to balance splitting to minimize loss due to the 500 block maturity delay with loss due to transaction fees when you finally come to spend your outputs and CPU time burned to check for staking.

I find that making my outputs somewhere in the 20 to 40 CLAM range works fine.

If 1000 CLAMs stakes about once per day, then 3000 CLAMs stakes about once per 500 blocks, so if my outputs are 30 CLAMs each then about 1% of them are idle waiting to mature at any point in time.

Right now the Just-Dice staking wallet has 1,195,215 CLAMs. 1,179,875 are actively trying to stake and 15,340 are waiting to mature. That's around 1.28% of them that was sitting idle. Probably it's over 1% because on average they are over 30 CLAMs each. Counting the number of immature outputs of each size:

Quote
$ clamd listunspent 0 500 '[]' 0 | grep amount | awk '{print $3}' | tr -d , | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c
     23 20
      1 23
      1 28
      6 31
     31 32
     14 33
      2 34
    158 35
     65 36
     18 37
     74 38
     32 39

ie. there are 23 immature outputs of size 20 CLAM, etc.

Counting all outputs, whether mature or not we see that I have quite a range of sizes, from 17 CLAMs all the way up to 70 CLAMs:

Quote
$ clamd listunspent 0 9999999 '[]' 0 | grep amount | awk '{print $3}' | tr -d , | cut -d. -f1 | sort | uniq -c
  39822 17
   2856 18
     86 19
     26 20
     28 22
     60 23
     40 24
      5 25
      3 26
      1 27
     39 28
      6 29
      5 30
   2055 31
    892 32
    182 33
     31 34
   4418 35
   1331 36
    266 37
   1926 38
    476 39
     75 41
     49 42
      6 43
      2 44
      3 54
      1 57
     45 67
     10 68
    343 70

Those 70 CLAM outputs are probably too big to be efficient, but it's not clear whether it's better to manually split them (wasting 4 hours of staking time per transaction) or leave them staking and let them split themselves when they next stake.
sr. member
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Seems it's equally or more profitable to just invest with just-dice over time though. Since you get paid for stake, and site profit (if I am correct) with a 10% stake fee. Am I right?

Whether it's more profitable to invest with just-dice depends on:

1) how lucky just-dice is - it's possible that the site gets unlucky and loses a lot of CLAMs to a winning player
2) how much you use the "offsite investment" feature at just-dice - it's a way of amplifying your potential gains and losses from players
3) how much betting volume there is on just-dice

I've not done the math to figure out where the optimal balance lies, but all the information you would need to do so is available on the site's stats tab.

One more question about the clams stake:
- the size of an output is linked with the network difficulty?
I mean if the difficulty rise if the size of an output is bigger it has more chances to find a block or not?

Thank you again

Yes, the chance of an output staking per unit time is directly proportional to its size in CLAMs, and inversely proportional to the network difficulty.

If the difficulty doubles and so does the size of your output, the two doublings cancel each other out and you end up with the same chance of staking that you started with.
Thank you very much again for the explanation!

Is there any math I can run to calculate the most efficient output for an N difficulty?

Thank you
legendary
Activity: 2338
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Seems it's equally or more profitable to just invest with just-dice over time though. Since you get paid for stake, and site profit (if I am correct) with a 10% stake fee. Am I right?

Whether it's more profitable to invest with just-dice depends on:

1) how lucky just-dice is - it's possible that the site gets unlucky and loses a lot of CLAMs to a winning player
2) how much you use the "offsite investment" feature at just-dice - it's a way of amplifying your potential gains and losses from players
3) how much betting volume there is on just-dice

I've not done the math to figure out where the optimal balance lies, but all the information you would need to do so is available on the site's stats tab.

One more question about the clams stake:
- the size of an output is linked with the network difficulty?
I mean if the difficulty rise if the size of an output is bigger it has more chances to find a block or not?

Thank you again

Yes, the chance of an output staking per unit time is directly proportional to its size in CLAMs, and inversely proportional to the network difficulty.

If the difficulty doubles and so does the size of your output, the two doublings cancel each other out and you end up with the same chance of staking that you started with.

How does the offsite feature affect the earnings? Isn't that just moving the coin to all-stake?
Offsite doesnt affect staking, it declares that you have up to 25x your funds outside the site that you willing to risk as bankrolling, so youll earn/lose 25 times your bankroll.
hero member
Activity: 840
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Seems it's equally or more profitable to just invest with just-dice over time though. Since you get paid for stake, and site profit (if I am correct) with a 10% stake fee. Am I right?

Whether it's more profitable to invest with just-dice depends on:

1) how lucky just-dice is - it's possible that the site gets unlucky and loses a lot of CLAMs to a winning player
2) how much you use the "offsite investment" feature at just-dice - it's a way of amplifying your potential gains and losses from players
3) how much betting volume there is on just-dice

I've not done the math to figure out where the optimal balance lies, but all the information you would need to do so is available on the site's stats tab.

One more question about the clams stake:
- the size of an output is linked with the network difficulty?
I mean if the difficulty rise if the size of an output is bigger it has more chances to find a block or not?

Thank you again

Yes, the chance of an output staking per unit time is directly proportional to its size in CLAMs, and inversely proportional to the network difficulty.

If the difficulty doubles and so does the size of your output, the two doublings cancel each other out and you end up with the same chance of staking that you started with.

How does the offsite feature affect the earnings? Isn't that just moving the coin to all-stake?
hero member
Activity: 840
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For anyone interested in mining Clamcoin check out CLD. The profit has been really good for the past 1 month

https://cldmine.com/?ref=xxx

This is very likely a scam.

They claim to be able to make around 0.8% per day staking CLAM:



That's not possible. The staking rate is around 0.1% per day.

And the FAQ?

Quote
What is CLD?

CLD is a system to generate cryptocurrency mining algorithms. The system automatically selects the most profitable algorithms for mining

What does that even mean, "generate algorithms and select the most profitable ones"? It's meaningless nonsense designed to trick you into giving them your money.

Amazing that people even try these scams nowadays. Fine, I can see your magical cloud based hybrid ASIC fooling people that yon will earn more in POW coins, but claiming you can stake 8x faster in a POS algo is just kindergarten retard.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Seems it's equally or more profitable to just invest with just-dice over time though. Since you get paid for stake, and site profit (if I am correct) with a 10% stake fee. Am I right?

Whether it's more profitable to invest with just-dice depends on:

1) how lucky just-dice is - it's possible that the site gets unlucky and loses a lot of CLAMs to a winning player
2) how much you use the "offsite investment" feature at just-dice - it's a way of amplifying your potential gains and losses from players
3) how much betting volume there is on just-dice

I've not done the math to figure out where the optimal balance lies, but all the information you would need to do so is available on the site's stats tab.

One more question about the clams stake:
- the size of an output is linked with the network difficulty?
I mean if the difficulty rise if the size of an output is bigger it has more chances to find a block or not?

Thank you again

Yes, the chance of an output staking per unit time is directly proportional to its size in CLAMs, and inversely proportional to the network difficulty.

If the difficulty doubles and so does the size of your output, the two doublings cancel each other out and you end up with the same chance of staking that you started with.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
For anyone interested in mining Clamcoin check out CLD. The profit has been really good for the past 1 month

https://cldmine.com/?ref=xxx

This is very likely a scam.

They claim to be able to make around 0.8% per day staking CLAM:



That's not possible. The staking rate is around 0.1% per day.

And the FAQ?

Quote
What is CLD?

CLD is a system to generate cryptocurrency mining algorithms. The system automatically selects the most profitable algorithms for mining

What does that even mean, "generate algorithms and select the most profitable ones"? It's meaningless nonsense designed to trick you into giving them your money.
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