[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 250.

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Quote from: smooth on November 15, 2015, 05:18:38 AM

Quote from: thefix on November 15, 2015, 04:56:40 AM

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Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

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Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution.
But some clarification on all that would be good.

I hope so, because anything else would be a ripoff!
Lets say we both have 50k Clams on Poloniex it may happen that we get different amounts of Doogcoin depending on which coin of ours was deposited after and which one before block 730000.
And the funny thing is, we have no control about it whatsoever.

As I suggested earlier, the cutoff should be announced well in advance so people have an opportunity to position themselves accordingly. For example, if an exchange has not committed to honor the distribution then you can withdraw from it.

I think the intention is to go back before the digger had such an impact on the coin. How would you deal with the digger getting the rest of his coins and throwing them in a wallet before the cutoff date?

You don't, if you want to be even remotely fair about it. "The digger" has the same legitimate ownership of his CLAMs as anyone else.

Does anyone really think that it would be anything other than a joke to target (primarily) one particular person to have their CLAMs invalidated?

I have a hard time imagining any suggest that with a straight face.

But as I said earlier, a new coin can use whatever distribution it wants, however absurd. You could assign coin balances randomly for that matter.

I disagree, no one will have Clams invalidated and things will remain as they are for Clam holders.

No one is suggesting targeting anyone in regards to the Clam distribution

I agree, a new coin is really up to the person that makes it to decide the specs

Bitcoiner2015

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Quote from: smooth on November 15, 2015, 05:35:19 AM

Quote from: Bitcoiner2015 on November 15, 2015, 05:31:03 AM

if a new coin is made, which one will be used at Just-Dice?
I would guess the new one, meaning Clam would essentially die.

dooglus said he was planing to support both as long as each version of the site makes enough to cover costs.

I'm happy to go with what is decided, but I would assume that both would be accepted for a while, then Clam would be discontinued.

I do think changing the rules because of a big dig isn't great, but then I also don't understand who had 100k+ non-dust accounts that would contain CLAM. Probably not a person who we should feel sorry for, more likely a major minor somewhere or an exchange.

smooth

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Quote from: Bitcoiner2015 on November 15, 2015, 05:31:03 AM

if a new coin is made, which one will be used at Just-Dice?
I would guess the new one, meaning Clam would essentially die.

dooglus said he was planing to support both as long as each version of the site makes enough to cover costs.

Bitcoiner2015

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if a new coin is made, which one will be used at Just-Dice?
I would guess the new one, meaning Clam would essentially die.

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A lot of these suggestions are idiotic (increasingly centralized mindset...forking coin retroactively at arbritary self serving block). It looks like you are fudding your own coin.

*and encouraging holders who disagree with you to sell.

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Quote from: avgeca on November 15, 2015, 05:16:33 AM

I'm also missing the voting option for "pulling the plug". projects fail sometimes, that's life.

That option has always been there: sell your clams and don't look back.

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Quote from: thefix on November 15, 2015, 04:56:40 AM

Quote from: smooth on November 15, 2015, 04:42:12 AM

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

Quote from: YoyodyneSystems on November 15, 2015, 04:10:08 AM

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution.
But some clarification on all that would be good.

I hope so, because anything else would be a ripoff!
Lets say we both have 50k Clams on Poloniex it may happen that we get different amounts of Doogcoin depending on which coin of ours was deposited after and which one before block 730000.
And the funny thing is, we have no control about it whatsoever.

As I suggested earlier, the cutoff should be announced well in advance so people have an opportunity to position themselves accordingly. For example, if an exchange has not committed to honor the distribution then you can withdraw from it.

I think the intention is to go back before the digger had such an impact on the coin. How would you deal with the digger getting the rest of his coins and throwing them in a wallet before the cutoff date?

You don't, if you want to be even remotely fair about it. "The digger" has the same legitimate ownership of his CLAMs as anyone else.

Does anyone really think that it would be anything other than a joke to target (primarily) one particular person to have their CLAMs invalidated?

I have a hard time imagining any suggest that with a straight face.

But as I said earlier, a new coin can use whatever distribution it wants, however absurd. You could assign coin balances randomly for that matter.

avgeca

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are you having all these discussions just to find a morally somehow acceptable solution for fucking over the one big digger? Shocked

that's not ok guys.

I'm also missing the voting option for "pulling the plug". projects fail sometimes, that's life.

danonthehill

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I find this whole discussion bizarre. Forking a coin because of one large holder (digger)?

Is this a long term project? It's thanks to this digger that I was able to buy clam. If you wait a few months then his coins will be redistributed. Yes there will be price drops, but it nearly always bounces. BTW clam like XRP ETH BTS XMR LTC is towards the end of a massive downtrend, with Clam being closer to the end of this trend than many of the others. Price would have dropped to retest these levels without the digger. (zoom out to max on the chart).

There massive confusion being exploited in Polo troll box around this. A future snapshot would be acceptable and there are precedents.

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Quote from: allejuppa on November 15, 2015, 05:08:51 AM

I agree, that would be the easiest thing, no more digging after a specific block.
If this is not an option, burning clams for doog seems reasonable as well.

The problem is that many people vehemently oppose any changes to Clam coin and others want things to go back to the way it was before the digger.

I think this solution gives the two groups what they want without any changes to Clam

Of course we need a way to vote on this and we will need more details

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I agree, that would be the easiest thing, no more digging after a specific block.
If this is not an option, burning clams for doog seems reasonable as well.

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Quote from: smooth on November 15, 2015, 04:42:12 AM

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

Quote from: YoyodyneSystems on November 15, 2015, 04:10:08 AM

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution.
But some clarification on all that would be good.

I hope so, because anything else would be a ripoff!
Lets say we both have 50k Clams on Poloniex it may happen that we get different amounts of Doogcoin depending on which coin of ours was deposited after and which one before block 730000.
And the funny thing is, we have no control about it whatsoever.

As I suggested earlier, the cutoff should be announced well in advance so people have an opportunity to position themselves accordingly. For example, if an exchange has not committed to honor the distribution then you can withdraw from it.

I think the intention is to go back before the digger had such an impact on the coin. How would you deal with the digger getting the rest of his coins and throwing them in a wallet before the cutoff date?

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Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

Quote from: YoyodyneSystems on November 15, 2015, 04:10:08 AM

Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution.
But some clarification on all that would be good.

I hope so, because anything else would be a ripoff!
Lets say we both have 50k Clams on Poloniex it may happen that we get different amounts of Doogcoin depending on which coin of ours was deposited after and which one before block 730000.
And the funny thing is, we have no control about it whatsoever.

As I suggested earlier, the cutoff should be announced well in advance so people have an opportunity to position themselves accordingly. For example, if an exchange has not committed to honor the distribution then you can withdraw from it.

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Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

He's losing it and has been for several months.

He has no faith and really never has. I don't know why any serious investor would think any differently faith wise about Doogcoin even if there was a huge BTC wall because the dig pressure is gone, but the stakes will still eat it over time.

I told you folks that the vote meant nothing... Doog didn't see the numbers turn out for him and his expensive stash, so he thinks he can remake it with something totally new to avoid the vote and fill his greed boat back up in BTC. Reasonable disgusting and sad, but o well. If that's what he wants to do then so be it. None of my business. I just don't believe in belongs in this thread.

Doogs like:

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Quote from: Evil-Knievel on November 15, 2015, 04:03:49 AM

@dooglus, did I get the "plan" right?
I just bought a few CLAMs and (because we are past block 730k already) I will get nothing for it?
Instead I stay on an abandoned chain where most CLAMS in circulation have no value at all because people already moved to a different coin?
I don't think that this will work out.

Any serious investor will lose faith entirely. And early adopters are once again taking the advantages.

Pretty sure all the coins on Polo or any exchange would be valid for the new distribution.
But some clarification on all that would be good.

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Quote from: SuperClam on September 17, 2015, 04:57:49 AM

Issues concerning Just-Dice, JD rain bots, JD trivia bots, etc. should be taken to the Just-Dice thread.
Issues concerning ClamChecker should be taken to the ClamChecker thread.

Also, a bit of respect in the thread here, please.

Thanks! Grin

They aren't discussing as a CLAM service.

They are discussing Doogcoin and that shit needs its own thread IMO.

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