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Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 346. (Read 1151252 times)

legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
Nice blueshoe! Be sure to let your friends know about your newfound wealth so they too can claim their free CLAMs Smiley

www.reddit.com/r/clamclient
https://twitter.com/clamclient
https://www.facebook.com/clamclient

I recently found this CLAM faucet: https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

It has a bunch of CLAM links, but I see the "Website" link goes to one of the unofficial CLAM pages. There's a link to submit proposed changes to the links, so maybe it would be worth fixing and/or adding links.

So does Cryptsy and Coinmarketcap.com.

I think the .org is better and more memorable anyways.

Dandi put the Clamclient.com link at the bottom of the site.

I think the unofficial page looks better and is easier to navigate too.

I know the talk was if we would take off the Google ads we could shift to Clamcoin.org being official.  However, I'm just not really interested in that at this time.  I've made it clear to Dandi that I'm 1000% ok if he works with Creative & Crew then uses the exact same layout minus the google ads.

I just think at the end of the day the domain is dominate and I'm not looking to ruffle any feathers too bad, so the link/note at the bottom of Clamcoin.org will remain.

I do intend on lobbying sites who accept CLAM to link Clamcoin.org regardless of "official or unofficial"... That just sounds so damn silly in a decentralization project. However I'll play ball.  Same with a selfmodded thread + a love for freedom of speech. But you know Tongue
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Nice blueshoe! Be sure to let your friends know about your newfound wealth so they too can claim their free CLAMs Smiley

www.reddit.com/r/clamclient
https://twitter.com/clamclient
https://www.facebook.com/clamclient

I recently found this CLAM faucet: https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

It has a bunch of CLAM links, but I see the "Website" link goes to one of the unofficial CLAM pages. There's a link to submit proposed changes to the links, so maybe it would be worth fixing and/or adding links.

So does Cryptsy and Coinmarketcap.com.

I think the .org is better and more memorable anyways.

Dandi put the Clamclient.com link at the bottom of the site.

I think the unofficial page looks better and is easier to navigate too.
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
Nice blueshoe! Be sure to let your friends know about your newfound wealth so they too can claim their free CLAMs Smiley

www.reddit.com/r/clamclient
https://twitter.com/clamclient
https://www.facebook.com/clamclient

I recently found this CLAM faucet: https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

It has a bunch of CLAM links, but I see the "Website" link goes to one of the unofficial CLAM pages. There's a link to submit proposed changes to the links, so maybe it would be worth fixing and/or adding links.

So does Cryptsy and Coinmarketcap.com.

I think the .org is better and more memorable anyways.

Dandi put the Clamclient.com link at the bottom of the site.  Tbh I'd rather scrub that site completely.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Nice blueshoe! Be sure to let your friends know about your newfound wealth so they too can claim their free CLAMs Smiley

www.reddit.com/r/clamclient
https://twitter.com/clamclient
https://www.facebook.com/clamclient

I recently found this CLAM faucet: https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

It has a bunch of CLAM links, but I see the "Website" link goes to one of the unofficial CLAM pages. There's a link to submit proposed changes to the links, so maybe it would be worth fixing and/or adding links.
full member
Activity: 176
Merit: 100
Thanks for 4.6 13,x Clams!
It was a multibit btc adress.
What i read here ... Coinbase dont work? There i would have another 4.6 clams.
edit:
Just looked ... i have 2 coinbase adresses. The other one got 4.6 clams also.
edit2:
wow ... i'm rich .. i got with my very first bitcoinqt adress some and with my very old blockchain.info adress some.
so 13,... x clams now. there must be some more then dust in this btc adresses i have to look ....
Smiley



Nice blueshoe! Be sure to let your friends know about your newfound wealth so they too can claim their free CLAMs Smiley

www.reddit.com/r/clamclient
https://twitter.com/clamclient
https://www.facebook.com/clamclient
sr. member
Activity: 277
Merit: 250
Thanks for 4.6 13,x Clams!
It was a multibit btc adress.
What i read here ... Coinbase dont work? There i would have another 4.6 clams.
edit:
Just looked ... i have 2 coinbase adresses. The other one got 4.6 clams also.
edit2:
wow ... i'm rich .. i got with my very first bitcoinqt adress some and with my very old blockchain.info adress some.
so 13,... x clams now. there must be some more then dust in this btc adresses i have to look ....
Smiley

legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
I didn't post the gitian build hashes when I built it as no one ever asks for them and no one other then me and allejuppa have ever actually compiled the client through gitian to compare hashes (they matched btw).
I am more then happy to provide them, and if you use gitian to build the build hashes will match and it will build deterministically right from the git repo.  I'll recompile today and post the hashes for you.

Don't forget to move the git tag if you didn't already. I seem to remember you had to make a new commit to get it to build on Windows but didn't move the tag.
sr. member
Activity: 304
Merit: 252
CLAM Dev
If I download the clam client how to I determine that it is not malware?  I don't want to turn on a alien keylogger.
After 156 pages of posts about CLAMs, I think if it were malware someone would have figured it out.  Just make sure you download the client from the OP

The vote of confidence is appreciated Grin



As you suggested, the code has likely now been vetted by many people.

Of course, you can always review the code yourself - if you are capable of doing so.

But how do I know that code that has been vetted is what was compiled?  There is no checksum delivered with the binary.  Do I need to compile it myself?


I didn't post the gitian build hashes when I built it as no one ever asks for them and no one other then me and allejuppa have ever actually compiled the client through gitian to compare hashes (they matched btw).
I am more then happy to provide them, and if you use gitian to build the build hashes will match and it will build deterministically right from the git repo.  I'll recompile today and post the hashes for you.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
whats wrong with this guys

wallet v1.4.10


Looks fatal.


i was used v1.4.7 and working well

when trying install v1.4.10 and 1.4.11 64/32 bit thats error was show up
my os is win7 64 bit

than i'll back used v1.4.7 and working well sync very fast

is this happen just me or everyone


v.1.4.10 32 bit working on win 7 32 bit there is no error

The message suggests it's unable to open the leveldb. I can't imagine that stuff changed between v1.4.7 and v1.4.10, so I'm stuck for an explanation.

I don't have the same problem, but I'm not using Windows. I build my own executables.

Can anyone confirm that the 64 bit v1.4.11 Windows executable linked in OP works for them, and whether it works on a blockchain written by v1.4.7 previously?
full member
Activity: 347
Merit: 100
whats wrong with this guys

wallet v1.4.10


Looks fatal.


i was used v1.4.7 and working well

when trying install v1.4.10 and 1.4.11 64/32 bit thats error was show up
my os is win7 64 bit

than i'll back used v1.4.7 and working well sync very fast

is this happen just me or everyone


v.1.4.10 32 bit working on win 7 32 bit there is no error
member
Activity: 116
Merit: 10

But how do I know that code that has been vetted is what was compiled?  There is no checksum delivered with the binary.  Do I need to compile it myself?

This is a very good point that not too many people even address to themselves. I believe the gitian (a deterministic build platform) compile method is used to create these binaries, so xploited(dev/host) may be able to provide the hashes. If you can get it to compile with gitian, you can match the hashes for yourself.

There hasn't really been any demand for it that I've seen in the 8 months that I've known the CLAMS family(so to speak  Smiley) for, so it simply hasn't been done. I've seen zero reports of malware infected CLAMS clients (fingers crossed), not to say it can't happen. Typically those who are worried want to compile it themselves, just for the matter of principal. It's the clear and only option I would recommend if you are in anyway worried that the binaries aren't clean, or are simply claiming clams. If you are using Linux, you'll probably need to compile it anyhow for the dependencies.
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
If I download the clam client how to I determine that it is not malware?  I don't want to turn on a alien keylogger.
After 156 pages of posts about CLAMs, I think if it were malware someone would have figured it out.  Just make sure you download the client from the OP

The vote of confidence is appreciated Grin



As you suggested, the code has likely now been vetted by many people.

Of course, you can always review the code yourself - if you are capable of doing so.

But how do I know that code that has been vetted is what was compiled?  There is no checksum delivered with the binary.  Do I need to compile it myself?
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1002
CLAM Developer
If I download the clam client how to I determine that it is not malware?  I don't want to turn on a alien keylogger.
After 156 pages of posts about CLAMs, I think if it were malware someone would have figured it out.  Just make sure you download the client from the OP

The vote of confidence is appreciated Grin



As you suggested, the code has likely now been vetted by many people.

Of course, you can always review the code yourself - if you are capable of doing so.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1030
Yes I am a pirate, 300 years too late!
If I download the clam client how to I determine that it is not malware?  I don't want to turn on a alien keylogger.

After 156 pages of posts about CLAMs, I think if it were malware someone would have figured it out.  Just make sure you download the client from the OP
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
If I download the clam client how to I determine that it is not malware?  I don't want to turn on a alien keylogger.
sr. member
Activity: 466
Merit: 250
Hi, i wanted to invest in clams, and i wanted some clarifications.
Do i have to split them in blocks or is it automated? With 150 clams, how many can i expect to make back?

You don't have to split it into blocks, but it will stake better if you do. Each time a block stakes, it takes 8 hours (510 blocks) to mature. During those 8 hours it isn't trying to stake. If your 150 CLAMs was in a single block, that's 8 hours wasted.

Suppose you split your 150 CLAMs into ten blocks of 15 CLAMs each. Each block would take 10 times longer on average to stake, but there's 10 of them trying, so it about evens out. And when one of them does stake, one those 15 CLAMs (actually 16 now) will be idle for 8 hours. The other 135 CLAMs will continue trying to stake.

By default the client will automatically split any block into two roughly equal halves any time it stakes twice in 24 hours. That's the default splitting behaviour, but it seems too conservative. Your 150 CLAMs is unlikely to stake twice in any 24 hour period, and so maybe wouldn't be automatically split.

As a rule of thumb, we expect a block of 500 CLAMs to stake about once per day at the moment, earning 1 CLAM when it does so. That's an expected return of about 0.2% per day.

Here's a good example of how it works in practice (click 'show more transactions' at the bottom 4 or 5 times to get to the end). The richest non-JD CLAM address was funded with 4 large deposits (lines 1, 2, 3, and 10 counting from the bottom of the image below), and left to stake and split with the default settings. Read from the bottom up, and you can see how the 5000 CLAM deposit split into two 2499.5 blocks, then the 3000 deposit split into two 1500.5 blocks, etc. Each split makes the staking more efficient, since the 8 hour delay from staking freezes less CLAMs each time it happens.



Note that you can edit clam.conf in the same folder as your CLAM wallet.dat and set these two variables to control splitting and recombining:

Code:
splitsize=10
combinelimit=5

Those tell the client to split each block it stakes into multiple blocks of size 10, and to combine any blocks smaller than 5.
Thanks a lot, you cleared a lot of things up Wink
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Hi, i wanted to invest in clams, and i wanted some clarifications.
Do i have to split them in blocks or is it automated? With 150 clams, how many can i expect to make back?

You don't have to split it into blocks, but it will stake better if you do. Each time a block stakes, it takes 8 hours (510 blocks) to mature. During those 8 hours it isn't trying to stake. If your 150 CLAMs was in a single block, that's 8 hours wasted.

Suppose you split your 150 CLAMs into ten blocks of 15 CLAMs each. Each block would take 10 times longer on average to stake, but there's 10 of them trying, so it about evens out. And when one of them does stake, one those 15 CLAMs (actually 16 now) will be idle for 8 hours. The other 135 CLAMs will continue trying to stake.

By default the client will automatically split any block into two roughly equal halves any time it stakes twice in 24 hours. That's the default splitting behaviour, but it seems too conservative. Your 150 CLAMs is unlikely to stake twice in any 24 hour period, and so maybe wouldn't be automatically split.

As a rule of thumb, we expect a block of 500 CLAMs to stake about once per day at the moment, earning 1 CLAM when it does so. That's an expected return of about 0.2% per day.

Here's a good example of how it works in practice (click 'show more transactions' at the bottom 4 or 5 times to get to the end). The richest non-JD CLAM address was funded with 4 large deposits (lines 1, 2, 3, and 10 counting from the bottom of the image below), and left to stake and split with the default settings. Read from the bottom up, and you can see how the 5000 CLAM deposit split into two 2499.5 blocks, then the 3000 deposit split into two 1500.5 blocks, etc. Each split makes the staking more efficient, since the 8 hour delay from staking freezes less CLAMs each time it happens.



Note that you can edit clam.conf in the same folder as your CLAM wallet.dat and set these two variables to control splitting and recombining:

Code:
splitsize=10
combinelimit=5

Those tell the client to split each block it stakes into multiple blocks of size 10, and to combine any blocks smaller than 5.
full member
Activity: 138
Merit: 100
full member
Activity: 347
Merit: 100
whats wrong with this guys

wallet v1.4.10

sr. member
Activity: 466
Merit: 250
Hi, i wanted to invest in clams, and i wanted some clarifications.
Do i have to split them in blocks or is it automated? With 150 clams, how many can i expect to make back?
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