Topic: [ANN][CRW] CROWN (SHA256) | Platform | Governance | Systemnodes | Masternodes | - page 228. (Read 317079 times)

You do realise that we contacted miners and pools directly to offer them the update?

I appreciate that there is a chance that somebody has downloaded the update without being aware of the new block reward structure and I will address that as a matter of urgency but you really are over dramatizing things.

You do what you should have done in the first place & as I explained earlier:

Remove it from mainet so that miners & pools are not having 40% of their income creamed from their income without their knowledge.
Put a clear notice on the OP of this thread, the webste & the github page explaining what will happen when the latest wallets are released to the public & include a clear & precise guide on how to activate the new wallets before they are released on mainet with a date of when this will happen.
Return the coins stolen to their rightful owners.
Apologise to everyone affected.

Then please use commit 302d89381c64a5e4d18989782959c04250d555b6

If you do not want to pay thrones until the time it is enforced..

Second part of this is... how is it stealing if we are giving it away to the community in bounties... which will help further the goals of crowncoin and also help to bring more value to crowncoin.. or do you think it's should be the devs that pays it out of own pockets.. I. E. Besides not getting paid the we should also pay from own pockets to better the value of crowncoin without you lifting a finger and just enjoy the profits.. because that is exactly what it sounds like right now...

How do you propose we rectify this?

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

When the Windows QT is ready we'll update the OP with all builds.

Very quick and dirty semi instructions for setting up a throne...

Start crowncoind

Wait till its been synced

crowncoin-cli throne genkey

Save this for later

crowncoin-cli getaccountaddress "0"

Send coins to this address wait for 15 confirmations

Add
throne=1
privkey= genkey generated key

To you crowncoin.conf
Restart with
crowncoin-cli stop
crowncoind

Wait 1 minute then write
crowncoin-cli throne start

link to command line windows tools: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvtykd90iiitzxm/crowncoin-cmd.zip?dl=0


Please notice.. these instructions are from the top of my head if a command is wrong use crowncoin-cli help

If a miner doesn't want to pay thrones, they don't have to update their software at the moment.  We have no plans to turn on enforcement until there has been an entirely level playing field for some weeks.

Obviously we will enforce throne payments in the future but at the moment the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

Thank you very much Chaositech! Appreciate very much your involvement and effort you are engaging in Crowncoin!

Hi all, i work at sea, with limitied internet connection, ive been working on getting a windows wallet compiled, but so far i have managed to compile the command line tools, which stonehdge will publish soon, we have asked another to compile the qt wallet, waiting for that to be delivered...

i run 1 throne since yesterday afternoon on one of my servers, all proceedings go to the bounty pool until instructions and wallets are released...

long term plan is to have one of my servers autocompile for all platforms whenever changes are done to the git.(windows, Mac, Linux x86/amd64, and raspberry pie (hopefully))

i have cleaned up the git, so the bloat has been removed

Have a nice day. :-)

Very dirty game you starting to play pal taking words out of senteces and turning them around: there must be something behind, maybe you have a lot of CRW )

1. 5 people are working on Thrones function including 2 very experienced devs, yes its taking a little more time than expected, so what?
2. This is testing mode - as mentioned here - do you really care about few hundred CRW valued at 0 that will be given to bounty anyway? Somebody needs to test it, why dont you help if you care so much about crw? The guide was posted here and the guys here always tried to help when you asked. Even myself dont have a throne yet, and I dont care because when wallets are finished I will set many thrones up. This is not facebook
3. New wallets and a guide for dummies will be posted here very soon - sorry the guys working on this are doing it because they are keen about the idea, not because they will get paid a lot of money, if you really cared about crw, you would give a helping hand instead of criticizing
4. Miners are upset? What are you talking about? They have been informed and this has not been enforced!

And dont talk about fairness when your approach is not fair at all! You are turning facts and are negative about things here instead of being a positive force!

The issue is not seeing the problems, dear sir. The problem is the issues.

We really could use dem skills!

One does not need to be a crypto genius or coder to see what I have pointed out above, it is basic common sense.

Everything I have said is fact, gathered with quotes from yourself.

If you think that taking 40% of every miners income using thrones that only you and one or two others are able to configure is fair & reasonable - that's fine. If you think that not providing a guide on how to setup a throne (like the 5 you are running) so that the main supporters of the network, the very miners you are taking revenue from, can set up a node & recover their lost revenue is fair & reasonable - that's fine also. Surely you can't be surprised that miners are upset with what you are doing though?

I am not anti this or anti that, despite what your abusive, sexist crowncoin_knight thinks. I am pro fairness & pro transparency though, & what has happened here is neither of those, no where near. As long as you & the other 1 or 2 select few are taking 40% of miners income while holding back on providing info on how your miners & supporters of the network can do the same, it will continue to be unfair, unjust, unreasonable & just plain wrong.

You are stealing miners income. I have removed crowncoin from my hashing pool & encourage everyone else to do the same until you do as you said you would over three weeks ago & give everyone a level playing field with equal opprtunities for everyone, instead of a few chosen ones.

The role of this person called iconfirm is to destabilize the board here - criticizing every move of this coin: especially Thrones. The benefits of Thrones are clear - it was mentioned here many times, and we are moving forward in order for regular people to get coins through a simple vps....stabilizing the infrastructure around this project through several thousand of Thrones supernodes. But it does not end there - it is just the beginning, because Thrones will have several essential benefits even for the bitcoin network itself in the near future....

You sound very competent at the whole crypto thing... Why haven't you offered your expertise to the barebones dev team we have?

We could really have used you brilliant organisation and critical skills, damn man! We messed about for months trying to make Thrones a thing, and you could have just done it all perfectly for us!

O well.

Can you elaborate why you are skeptical about Thrones so that I can try to address your concerns?

Yup, apologies for the delay.  The person I asked to help didn't deliver which meant that I had to try to work it out myself.

I don't want to tell people how to set up a throne if the instructions are incorrect.

My thrones have been running for 1.5 days, not three weeks.

I understand your concerns but this scenario was not intentional. Payments wouldn't be happening if pools and miners hadn't updated to the version to pay thrones.  They have done this voluntarily and there was nothing we could have done to stop them doing this.

Thank you, although you did say the same a few weeks ago, but better late than never 


I'm not being cynical, I'm stating fact. You said over 3 weeks ago:


But still didn't do so, despite me reminding you on several occasions.

Stating that you haven't done so "because none of us know how to set one up well enough" doesn't wash, because you've all set your own thrones up & are running them - at the expense of every miner on the network. For over 3 weeks you & a select few others have been taking 40% of every miners work, that's a very tidy sum.  Saying that the proceeds you've taken from miners will be "GIVEN AWAY" will not make miners OK with that, because they have not been given either a choice or chance to run a throne like a select few are doing.

This throne rollout should have been fully tested on testnet first, then relased to the public with a clear & precise guide enabling everyone to be able to set up a throne to offset the 40% loss of mining revenue. That way, you wouldn't have to "GIVE AWAY" the proceeds you are taking from every miner.

I was sceptical of this throne business from the start because I knew that if it wasn't done correctly it would only be the miners who would lose out. As it turns out, I have been proven 100% correct so far.

If anybody is very keen to set up a Throne you can follow this excellent guide.

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/taos-masternode-setup-guide-for-dummies-updated.2680/

All you need to do is replace the word DASH with Crowncoin and the word masternode with throne and instead of using 1000 Dash, use 10,000 CRW.  This is because thrones use the same 2nd tier implementation as DASH.  If it works well, why change it?

I am going to produce a Crowncoin version of the guide tonight for publishing tomorrow.  I'm hopeful that we will finally have a windows QT build before then too.

Please don't be so cynical.

I am running 5 of the 8 thrones.  All coins that I receive between when I set them up 1.5 days ago and when we launch them properly will be GIVEN AWAY.  I'm not the only person who has publicly agreed to this.

We have not posted how to run a throne because none of us know how to set one up well enough to tell somebody else how to do it.

The dev is currently at sea on a boat with limited internet access and his opportunities to write guides and work on code will be restricted for a few days.

Having said that, he has managed to write a guide that I am hoping to test and publish within the next few hours.