Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1272. (Read 9723748 times)

I'm still waiting for the Reddit Darkcoin De-anonymizer that was promised a year and a half ago...

That's not how this works.  The burden of proof is on Dash to prove it's secure.

Why?  Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Please note you sound exactly like the ShadowCash dudes who got pwnd when Shen #R3KT their coin's bad crypto.

Forget it...its a bunch of wanabee techies that don't have the skills.  We've been hearing this broken record for almost 2 years.  Its hog wash...tell them to come back once they have proven something. 

My friend...this is simple.  We say our mixing working.  ITS up to you to prove otherwise.  So...till you or any Trollero or anyone for that matter breaks it....its secure.  You and your team benefit the most from breaking our mixing.  If its as easy as you said...then do it.

Until then...its hot air and we are on the record saying its SOLID and unbroken.  End of subject...we've made it...and have staked the claim that its unbroken.

How?

Undoubtedly, those are exchanges.

Dash's anonymity has nothing to do with cryptographics.  It's a logic/can't define exactly which coin belongs to whom shuffle (with no way to see how they're shuffled).  You can guess the path of a coin, but there will be multiple paths possible, thus nothing can be proven.  This is never going to be "decryptable"



The reason why we have multiple rounds is so that "bad Masternode owners" would all have to collude to discover what happened.

MN1 knows where they came from (blinding not in effect yet) thus knows who got which newly named coin, MN2 only knows the newly named coins, not their original sender, but if he follows where they went, he could share that information with MN1 and thus, they would still know what happened.  MN3 would also have to be a bad actor, sharing with MN1 and MN2, etc.... so calculations were made to show the possibility or better still, the requirements of what % of MNs in the system a bad actor has to have control over in order to deanonymize the source/owners, and it quickly becomes extremely improbable.  You'll only need 1 round in Evolution because the entry point through DAPI conceals the user's IP address (or doesn't collect that information as it isn't pertinent) and thus the MNs will be blinded.

Ugh, please excuse my spelling... i before e except after c,  I type to too fast!! UGH!

That's the point, they own Dash and to vote in order to benifit them means it will benifit Dash.  We've seen this with giving up 10% of the rewards in order to make a budget system.  Why would they do that?  It reduced the proposed 60/40 split with miners to 45-20-45.  Yet MN owners voted yes because it was good for Dash thus good for themselves.  Enlightened self interest. 

That's why only MN owners can vote, because they have their money where their mouth is.  Also, I agree, 14 people owning 50% sounds a lot better than I thought it was

The Dash community has had ample time to (shut up or) put up bounties for bugs.  And yet, they have not.   

Honorable efforts to that end have been made by Big Rich, but his commendable pleas fell on deaf ears.   

We must therefore conclude Dash's socioeconomic majority would Rather Not have Shen's "Crypto For Poets" freshmen seminar participants (et alia) unleashed on their "bad crypto" (aka obfuscation via mixing).   

Say what you will about the ShadowCash community, but at least some of them understand Shen did them a favor and may have kept a few of their number out of jail.

OTOH, the Dash community demonstrates little aptitude for such critical self-evaluation.  And that's what makes them a Kool-Aid swilling cargo cult.

We should expect Pareto distribution of Dash, albeit compounded and exaggerated by the insta-mine.

<< 20% of Dash bagholders probably control >> 80% of the Masternodes.

The 'democracy-by-blockchain' idea is a farce, wrapped in propaganda, and drizzled with marketing happy talk.

Nothing at all actually but regardless of monetary compensation directly from Dash, the damage done should cause subsequent rises in XMR (and declines in Dash)--exactly what all the Monero holders want. It has been said over and over again, especially from the Monero camp, at how easy Dash's anonymity could be broken and how bad its crypto is--seems like an easy enough task, certainly one that a freshman in college (as icebreaker put it) should easily be able to achieve and spend little time doing.

*shrug*

They actually have a Dash wallet on their beta page. Which doesn't mean much without an official announcement though.

Seems fair enough.

I think I have a reasonable proposal on ASICs. Just working on some of the details.

Might not want to buy those used and abused ASICs that have been hiding in the shadows.

pinggggg

What stops the community members of DASH (accompanied by the DGBB) to put up a few bounties? At least there will be some incentive to deanonymize transactions then. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the DGBB has a budget of around 20-30k per month. Moreover, you could set up a bounty for the deanonymization of an 1 round transaction, which Evan Duffield said would be the default in Evolution and another bounty for an 8 round transaction.

Yes, DASH is centralized.. ASIC would make more centralization.
If you think DASH market capacity would increase by the effort of huge holder,  Join and set a masternode.
Exchange site would run masternodes also if they want.
This is also traceable. Exchanger is also huge DASH holder. 

see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  

You or Shen should totally do it. It would be great publicity for XMR.

Mixing is merely an attempt to gain security by piling on obscurity.

One problem with mixing is it depends on other people wishing to commingle their tainted coins at the same time you want to.  Otherwise, you spend hours or days waiting.  And there is the threat those other people might be Sybil attackers using their coins as stalking horses to flush out yours.

De-obfuscating mixed coins is trivial.  You can use Bitcoin Sudoku or invent your own method.

Breaking Darksend would be too boring for Shen to even bother.  He might assign to his freshmen seminar students the task of de-anonymizing Dash as a homework assignment or pose it as an extra credit question on the first midterm.

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