I voted yes for the dashwhale budget, it didn't pass, I though it was sad because I though it was helping dash in it's globality.
I voted yes for daily decrypt sponsor, and I understand well your points tok. But, It's not a big amount, and I think this can show what can be done "outside the dash sphere", and maybe give idea to other third party, of how to use budget system. We need to have exposure even if it seems tiny.
We can't aggree on all vote results.
Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1462. (Read 9723791 times)
December 24, 2015, 11:51:45 PM
December 24, 2015, 11:40:38 PM
Check yourselves out
#fuckedUpPriorities
I'm wondering why this isn't being funded via the promotional budget. #fuckedUpPriorities
the so called promotional campaign has been imposed in an arrogant manner
dash has been neglecting valuable community contributions, constantly losing important community people along the way
December 24, 2015, 11:26:06 PM
I think investors want advertising
Ok. I don't disagree.
All I'm saying is that blockchain funding is serious and ideally should not be spent without:
(a) pre-emptive intent (i.e. the voting power already allocated a budget commensurate with its priorities)
(b) measured returns
For example. Dash is getting criticism for InstantX being "breakable". Even I bought this for a while, but now I realise that 0-conf is infinitely more "breakable" than InstantX and Peter Todd has never acknowledged the comparison. Isn't this a far more relevant line of promotion than throwing money at publicity ?
In my opinion the best approach is to vote no to everything unless the returns are absolutely crystal clear.
December 24, 2015, 11:12:19 PM
... I would want to advertise with one of the more mainstream, non crypto channels. I really think that the alt community just cannibalizes itself and competes for the same $. We need to bring in new people as well and stand on our own, and exposing ourselves to outside audiences would be more productive than with the DailyDecrypt...
You are correct. Look at the view counts.
Come on folks.
December 24, 2015, 11:04:07 PM
Tok, I'm not disagreeing with you. My degree is in business as well, and without any metrics on an advertising campaign, we have no way to evaluate effectiveness. But that's not the argument that
I'm making. I think investors want advertising, at least at a level more than we are currently doing.
We need a DASH community advertising group, who can argue and discuss the various advertising avenues, and put forward proposals that would be much more effective and based on real data than some small youtube crypto channel. If I were involved in this group, and the YouTube method was chosen, I would want to advertise with one of the more mainstream, non crypto channels. I really think that the alt community just cannibalizes itself and competes for the same $. We need to bring in new people as well and stand on our own, and exposing ourselves to outside audiences would be more productive than with the DailyDecrypt.
Sorry for rambling, I may have had too much eggnog this evening!
I'm making. I think investors want advertising, at least at a level more than we are currently doing.
We need a DASH community advertising group, who can argue and discuss the various advertising avenues, and put forward proposals that would be much more effective and based on real data than some small youtube crypto channel. If I were involved in this group, and the YouTube method was chosen, I would want to advertise with one of the more mainstream, non crypto channels. I really think that the alt community just cannibalizes itself and competes for the same $. We need to bring in new people as well and stand on our own, and exposing ourselves to outside audiences would be more productive than with the DailyDecrypt.
Sorry for rambling, I may have had too much eggnog this evening!
December 24, 2015, 11:03:39 PM
tok - excellent points.
I can't believe that people want to spend blockchain funds on a youtube blogger that has a couple of hundred views. Come on people, we can do better than this.
I can't believe that people want to spend blockchain funds on a youtube blogger that has a couple of hundred views. Come on people, we can do better than this.
December 24, 2015, 11:00:34 PM
TheDailyDecrypt mentions a successful proposal they submitted to the Dash network. Another win for Decentralized Governance by Blockchain (DGBB).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8FSXAeh1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8FSXAeh1M
December 24, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
Obviously the majority of the voting investors in DASH think that advertising is a higher priority.
Well, ok but here's two things:
[1] - how do you know that they think that advertising is a "higher priority" ?
[2] - if the Dash blockchain invests in advertising, how are you going to measure the return ?
How will you know if the money was well spent or badly spent ? Did you research performance with other clients ?
If there's no prior research nor metric for returns then the money shouldn't be spent at all, that's all I'm saying.
Dashwhale was a strategic spend - it was a no brainer because there was no GUI for voting, masternode monitoring or any of the 2nd tier functions of this network. Yet nobody wanted to fund it.
Now your saying you want to throw money at a Youtube blogger instead ?
IMO, blockchain funding needs to be much more highly valued by its spenders and needs to go to priority tasks - like:
(A) - realising Evan's recent statement re. default anonymity of wallet balances
(B) - marketing InstantX against 0-conf as being far more secure in that market
Spend it on things that matter and that have a measurable return for the blockchain IMO.
December 24, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
Actually, it sounds like it's working exactly as it should.
If you could explain why I'd be more at ease.
I made the point that Dashwhale had invested a huge amount of effort on Dash's behalf and DailyDecrypt hadn't invested any. How does that qualify DailyDecrypt for blockchain funding and Dashwhale not ?
Are Youtube bloggers suddenly a strategic interest of Dash or what ?
You're right, Dashwhale has invested significantly, and arguably way more than the DailyDecrypt will with this advertising funding. But that isn't the question here. If this was a dictatorship and I was at the helm, it would not be going this way. BUT, the governance model we have is decentralized voting, and therefore, people don't have to agree. Obviously the majority of the voting investors in DASH think that advertising is a higher priority.
I think the real question is, "why"? I doubt its because investors are tempted by a pretty face. My guess is that investors want more advertising, and I think ANY advertising proposal that was even a bit reasonable would pass without issue. I really think we need an advertising budget that is transparent and aggressive, and voting on individual advertising campaigns (similar to this DailyDecrypt proposal) is a good way to do it, we just need more options to choose from.
December 24, 2015, 09:58:18 PM
Actually, it sounds like it's working exactly as it should.
If you could explain why I'd be more at ease.
I made the point that Dashwhale had invested a huge amount of effort on Dash's behalf and DailyDecrypt hadn't invested any. How does that qualify DailyDecrypt for blockchain funding and Dashwhale not ?
Are Youtube bloggers suddenly a strategic interest of Dash ?
Dash gets reported on all over the place. From CryptocoinNews to MaxKeiser. It gets reported on by independent media because something's happening - not because it pays independent media to promote it.
Blockchain funding is serious money and needs to be used for long term, well planned, strategic objectives which can be judged on by their results. If Dash is going to do a media campaign then let it be originated and contracted by the community with proper objectives, not by the contractors.
DailyDecrypt is a great show - but Dash isn't trying to win a popularity contest. It either works or doesn't for what it's trying to do. If the Dashwhale proposal hadn't been to strongly opposed I'd probably be more amenable to this request for funding, but since Dashwhale got rejected - no way. Go back and check the posts - people were quite highly principled about it.
December 24, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Check yourselves out. If DailyDecrypt gets blockchain funding and Dashwhale doesn't, this governance policy is dead in the water.
Im not in love with the DailyDecrypt funding, but that's a pretty absurd statement. People are allowed to vote however they choose, and just because you and I don't agree with it does not mean that decentralized governance is a failure.
Actually, it sounds like it's working exactly as it should.
December 24, 2015, 09:51:54 PM
How come DailyDecrypt is a dead cert for blockchain funding and Dashwhale doesn't get a look in when Dashwhale invested a huge amount of unfunded technical effort exclusively on Dash's behalf and DailDecrypt didn't invest any ?
Pretty face ?
LoL. I spot an attack vector.
Check yourselves out. If DailyDecrypt gets blockchain funding and Dashwhale doesn't, this governance policy is dead in the water.
Stand tall.
It's a mountain that we're climbing, not a sandpit. If the blockchain doesn't think it needs Dashwhale then it sure as f*ck doesn't need DailyDecrypt.
#fuckedUpPriorities
I'm wondering why this isn't being funded via the promotional budget.
December 24, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
Merry Xmas everyone! Viva Dash! 
December 24, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
How come DailyDecrypt is a dead cert for blockchain funding and Dashwhale doesn't get a look in when Dashwhale invested a huge amount of unfunded technical effort exclusively on Dash's behalf and DailDecrypt didn't invest any ?
Pretty face ?
LoL. I spot an attack vector.
It's a mountain that we're climbing, not a sandpit.
December 24, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
My dates were off-by-one (so typical) on my previous budget breakout.
Here's the proper data:
and some python for determining when a budget vote deadline occurs:
(must be accepted by block x to receive all of requested funding)
qnd
Here's the proper data:
Code:
398784 - Tue Jan 5 04:47:12 UTC 2016
415400 - Wed Feb 3 01:07:12 UTC 2016
432016 - Wed Mar 2 21:27:12 UTC 2016
448632 - Thu Mar 31 17:47:12 UTC 2016
465248 - Fri Apr 29 14:07:12 UTC 2016
481864 - Sat May 28 10:27:12 UTC 2016
498480 - Sun Jun 26 06:47:12 UTC 2016
515096 - Mon Jul 25 03:07:12 UTC 2016
531712 - Mon Aug 22 23:27:12 UTC 2016
548328 - Tue Sep 20 19:47:12 UTC 2016
564944 - Wed Oct 19 16:07:12 UTC 2016
581560 - Thu Nov 17 12:27:12 UTC 2016
598176 - Fri Dec 16 08:47:12 UTC 2016
614792 - Sat Jan 14 05:07:12 UTC 2017
631408 - Sun Feb 12 01:27:12 UTC 2017
648024 - Sun Mar 12 21:47:12 UTC 2017
664640 - Mon Apr 10 18:07:12 UTC 2017
681256 - Tue May 9 14:27:12 UTC 2017
697872 - Wed Jun 7 10:47:12 UTC 2017
714488 - Thu Jul 6 07:07:12 UTC 2017
731104 - Fri Aug 4 03:27:12 UTC 2017
747720 - Fri Sep 1 23:47:12 UTC 2017
764336 - Sat Sep 30 20:07:12 UTC 2017
780952 - Sun Oct 29 16:27:12 UTC 2017
415400 - Wed Feb 3 01:07:12 UTC 2016
432016 - Wed Mar 2 21:27:12 UTC 2016
448632 - Thu Mar 31 17:47:12 UTC 2016
465248 - Fri Apr 29 14:07:12 UTC 2016
481864 - Sat May 28 10:27:12 UTC 2016
498480 - Sun Jun 26 06:47:12 UTC 2016
515096 - Mon Jul 25 03:07:12 UTC 2016
531712 - Mon Aug 22 23:27:12 UTC 2016
548328 - Tue Sep 20 19:47:12 UTC 2016
564944 - Wed Oct 19 16:07:12 UTC 2016
581560 - Thu Nov 17 12:27:12 UTC 2016
598176 - Fri Dec 16 08:47:12 UTC 2016
614792 - Sat Jan 14 05:07:12 UTC 2017
631408 - Sun Feb 12 01:27:12 UTC 2017
648024 - Sun Mar 12 21:47:12 UTC 2017
664640 - Mon Apr 10 18:07:12 UTC 2017
681256 - Tue May 9 14:27:12 UTC 2017
697872 - Wed Jun 7 10:47:12 UTC 2017
714488 - Thu Jul 6 07:07:12 UTC 2017
731104 - Fri Aug 4 03:27:12 UTC 2017
747720 - Fri Sep 1 23:47:12 UTC 2017
764336 - Sat Sep 30 20:07:12 UTC 2017
780952 - Sun Oct 29 16:27:12 UTC 2017
and some python for determining when a budget vote deadline occurs:
(must be accepted by block x to receive all of requested funding)
qnd
Code:
#!/usr/bin/env python
cycles = range(382168, (382168+(16616*96)), 16616)
def deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal):
payment_cycles = []
for cycle in cycles:
if proposal["BlockStart"] <= cycle and proposal["BlockEnd"] >= cycle:
payment_cycles.append(cycle)
while len(payment_cycles) > proposal["TotalPaymentCount"]:
payment_cycles.pop(0)
return payment_cycles[0]
proposal = {"Name": "Sponsor-DailyDecrypt", "BlockStart": 398784, "BlockEnd": 423708, "TotalPaymentCount": 1}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
proposal = {"Name": "btc-miami-conf", "BlockStart": 382168, "BlockEnd": 589868, "TotalPaymentCount": 12}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
proposal = {"Name": "core-team", "BlockStart": 332320, "BlockEnd": 2002228, "TotalPaymentCount": 100}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
"""
outputs
415400
398784
382168
"""
if anybody sees a less procedural way of doing this, I'd love to see it!cycles = range(382168, (382168+(16616*96)), 16616)
def deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal):
payment_cycles = []
for cycle in cycles:
if proposal["BlockStart"] <= cycle and proposal["BlockEnd"] >= cycle:
payment_cycles.append(cycle)
while len(payment_cycles) > proposal["TotalPaymentCount"]:
payment_cycles.pop(0)
return payment_cycles[0]
proposal = {"Name": "Sponsor-DailyDecrypt", "BlockStart": 398784, "BlockEnd": 423708, "TotalPaymentCount": 1}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
proposal = {"Name": "btc-miami-conf", "BlockStart": 382168, "BlockEnd": 589868, "TotalPaymentCount": 12}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
proposal = {"Name": "core-team", "BlockStart": 332320, "BlockEnd": 2002228, "TotalPaymentCount": 100}
print deadline_block_for_full_funding(proposal)
"""
outputs
415400
398784
382168
"""
December 24, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
The Daily Decrypt [Ep.57] - Dash mentioned
And they have submited a proposal: https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
And they have submited a proposal: https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
This is the first time I have voted for my masternodes. I voted YES! Good luck, Amanda.
Looks like it passed. Woohoo!
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt or
https://dashninja.pl/budgetdetails.html?budgetid=Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
Great! Hope DailyDecrypt will become the good example-direction for other mass media how to join the "DASH party"!
And we will see good competition for Dash promotional budget and reasonable prices and special (exclusively for Dash) promo-options.
December 24, 2015, 07:13:41 PM
The Daily Decrypt [Ep.57] - Dash mentioned
And they have submited a proposal: https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
And they have submited a proposal: https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
This is the first time I have voted for my masternodes. I voted YES! Good luck, Amanda.
Looks like it passed. Woohoo!
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/Sponsor-DailyDecrypt or
https://dashninja.pl/budgetdetails.html?budgetid=Sponsor-DailyDecrypt
December 24, 2015, 07:10:00 PM
For everybody who wants to access dashtalk (to make backups, to see your private messages and so on) but don’t know how to do it - it is still possible to enter forum and even your personal account directly on server (without domain dashtalk.org) :
you have to locate file «hosts» in your OS and add this line into hosts file:
85.159.209.13 dashtalk.org
path to hosts file is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
you have to locate file «hosts» in your OS and add this line into hosts file:
85.159.209.13 dashtalk.org
path to hosts file is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
Thanks. So few people on that website right now... I wonder why...
December 24, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
For everybody who wants to access dashtalk (to make backups, to see your private messages and so on) but don’t know how to do it - it is still possible to enter forum and even your personal account directly on server (without domain dashtalk.org) :
you have to locate file «hosts» in your OS and add this line into hosts file:
85.159.209.13 dashtalk.org
path to hosts file is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
you have to locate file «hosts» in your OS and add this line into hosts file:
85.159.209.13 dashtalk.org
path to hosts file is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
December 24, 2015, 04:47:16 PM
Could you had somewhere btc price? As it is needed to calculate dash dolkar price?
Added a quick solution for you. Try to press the "B"-button on your keyboard to toggle.
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