Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1567. (Read 9723858 times)

i wish you would say more  

Guys, lets give afreer a drink .. lots of drinks !! Lets make him talk    

edit 1 : eh, is there any liquer you dont particular handle well ? and isn't all that expensive ?

edit 2 : i just thought of a new budget proposal, a bribe to make afreer talk .. and talk .. and talk

Thanks Tante.  Since Evan introduced me to Evolution, I'd be crazy not to.  Cutting and pasting a Bitcoin address from a website into a clunky desktop wallet and waiting 10 minutes to buy something is going to seem like green-screen teletype when we release this.  I wish I could say more

OMG do I really have to RTFM to find out how to flood the proposal system?  Lame.  But I see why'd you think that's hilarious.

Still not as funny as TS's epic, mangled Tante-splanation of how Dash's quorum system will provide "limitless capacity" with "infinite" security:


TIL Dash can violate the laws of information theory and thermodynamics!  Did Evan find the source code at Roswell, in a Zeta Reticulan mainframe?   

Icetroller is a mental disturbed person (as you can see If you read his repetitive lunatic posts). He is not reading anything here, he is here just to post his crap.

iCEBREAKER wot a joke (except he isn't funny)

Frankly I'm less concerned about quantum computers than I am about the discovery of some new technique or mathematical shortcut that trivializes everything. I guess the risk is low, but certainly non-zero.

Thank you, it's a real buzz working in a team like this.  Plus joining the first group of people paid autonomously by a blockchain is pretty neat too.  If you understand where this project is going and have some skills to contribute, it's highly recommended, I can say first hand that the Dash team are a very welcoming, genuine and extremely talented group of people

This is probably the funniest thing I've read here in a long time.  Our friend iCE spends most of his waking hours monitoring this thread, but doesn't know this basic piece of information?  It's been discussed here in well over a hundred posts.

Fucking hilarious.

This is great idea.

Furthermore, I propose to flood the proposal system with thousands of junk proposals in order to stress test and make sure it is properly decentralized.

Do I have to have a masternode to make proposals, or is there a centralized single point of contact for that?

Are you at all concerned that this "complex math" may one day prove not to be so complex after all? What if new advances in computing or mathematics one day renders these ring signatures moot, and your entire spending history is visible on the blockchain?

You are mistaken to assume good faith on the part of the DashHoles.

They know full well the "attack economy" critique of Dash by made by fluffy on the basis of djb's analysis is new.

But they will not respond to that, lest it weaken their Hillary Clintonesque "old news is old; at this point what difference does the instamine make?" boilerplate response.

I agree we need to promote more proposal creation but viewing the Dash network as an autonomous entity I think it probably won't be persuaded to pass 'junk' proposals because the economics dictate that the network will generally only fund proposals that are in its financial interest to do so.  I think genuine proposals that are well presented, priced attractively and present a viable case to return value to Dash users are the best strategy if you want to get network approval.  Plus, even if you present a good argument for test proposals on Bitcointalk, you won't reach non Bitcointalk users, users who don't read English, users who don't comply and so forth, but that's a good thing because if it was easy to sway decisions that don't add value the governance system wouldn't be decentralized or fit for purpose.

I think the main inhibitor in the lack of non-core DGBB uptake is because the team are busy with Evolution development and there hasn't been much education or promotion of DGBB and the incentives it provides yet although i'm sure this will come later.

Therefore my personal view would be to encourage users outside the core team to go ahead and make proposals and not be afraid if other users comment that they are junk or not and if you get knocked back by the network decision then learn from it and try again.  The protocol lets you propose whatever you want and we need to find out the strategy and proposals the network will tend to approve as Dash moves forward and grow a competitive ideas market that produces action that adds value to Dash outside of the team proposals, because the idea is this will produce better governance than any traditional monolithic leadership can.

I'm sure there are lots of users looking for paid work and there are lots of things Dash needs that they could do outside of the team's activities and there is also practically no competition between user proposals.  Perhaps we just need to promote this more on the various community channels to make more people aware that there is autonomous funding available if you want to work for the Dash blockchain and it's a good way to earn Dash and help the network grow, if anyone has some free time to do this is might be a good idea to start putting DGBB to wider use!

Wolf, I don't think of you as a troll, sorry if that came across that way.  But I do beg to differ.  A solution that is clear and simple, and is a solution, is never wrong.

Anyway, like I said, I don't see why Monero can't offer services for people who do want to obscure or at least run their funds through it.  I think a major issue will be people running Monero full nodes as it's growing at 4X the speed (or more) of, say Dash's blockchain.  If I were working on monero, I would seriously think about running a 2 tiered system, just for paying a small % of the mining rewards to people running full nodes.  Use the payment system Evan developed, as the works already done.  For the equivilant of maybe $5-$10 a month per node, I'm sure people can find hosting with a lot of storage.  I don't see why they would need collateral, they wouldn't mix or anything.  So just use the parts you need.  Maybe make a test that runs once a day or hour, to prove they have the capacity required, and then they're on the payment list.

That would go a long way in helping with the bloat issue.  Then you could possibly create a lite wallet that pulls information from your MN network.  If there were no animosity toward Dash, and if  you really wanted to make it work, and work quickly, there is no reason why you couldn't use Evan's code, or ideas (as it might be easier to just copy the ideas rather than prune the code, I have no idea). It's all open source and that's what Open source is all about.  It would certainly buy you time to figure out how to trim the blockchain, if it's ever possible.

Anyway, all alts that are interested in improving the space, could be working together.  There is a different philosophy behind each coin.  Attacking each other only hurts this space and it's undoubtedly making the Banks giggle every morning over their cup of coffee. (I don't think Gov people ever giggle, and they're so confused, they can't find humor in any of this as they're working to hard to catch up with what's up). 

So please, lets work together on this.  Just because I don't like Monero's angle on cryptos personally, doesn't mean I think they shouldn't try to make it work, or that we can't share ideas with each other.  But I do hate all the trolling, it's so irritating, and that's why I have all those guys on ignore.

Remember, I'm an older lady, I'm interested in seeing something that is hard to screw up, and easy to use.  I see Dash so far ahead in that field.  But I can see the need for extreme privacy.  For Governments and Police - so they can pay informants and secret agents while keeping those people safe from discovery, and for other people fighting illegitimate governments or oppressors and frankly, I hope it empowers the people of the United States to shrink Government down via more control over how much they pay in taxes.  Government has gotten too big, IMO, and I'm hoping that a change in monetary control (from banks and governments to the people) will change the interactions between governments in the world.  Very idealistic, I know, but one must have hope.

There is a simple solution...lets not engage in conversation with known habitual Trolls.  Don't responded to their thinly veiled  queries masked as "honest" questions.   

https://twitter.com/taoofsatoshi/status/668876501597728768

smoothie's very first post in this Dash ANN thread : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12475323
(quoting no less a post of AdamWhite) and they wonder why we treat him as a troll  

Lets just say smoothie wasn't very smooth (or smart) with that post, act and behave like a troll and you get treated as a troll.

Some day, yes, this would be very nice to have!  And it's a super endorsement!  Thanks!!

Much of what is posted by supporters is repetitive as well, because that's what happens when you discuss the same topic (Dash) day in and day out. If nothing repetitive were discussed the thread would simply go dead in between new release announcements, followed by a bit of discussion and questions about the release, and then dead again. That's implausible.

I agree with you some of the anti-Dash posts are repetitive and not tied to the flow of conversation, and i don't support that. But much of it is either part of the conversation (responses to supporters' posts which are themselves also repetitive) or not in any way repetitive, and is still accused of being trolling. A good example is smoothie's post from yesterday, which was discussing Dash in the context of a blog post from a well known cryptographer. That had never been mentioned before, for the simple reason that the blog post was brand new and didn't even exist until a few days ago.

ahhhh....thanks.  I'll pm you shortly.  I have one more mn to put up MN14