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When and if a serious attempt is made to destroy DASH it could well take the form of an irresistible honeypot app. Dashwhale, moocowmoo and node40's services are so appealing that they provide a useful hint of what could - some day - be big centralized trouble. I hope they and all future devs can go out of their way to demonstrate that there are no centralized vulnerabilities in their services (email databases being one obvious vulnerability, ahem).

I absolutely do not want to demean those devs - I use some of their apps and am grateful to have them - but that's the problem (or future problem). Trusting Internet Strangers is dangerous. Trusting long-time allies is also dangerous (see Vertoe).

Gotta stay trustless.

Crude example: imagine a perfect app that sends daily email summaries of everything a MN operator would want to know - a perfect jewel. Under the hood is a database of MN owners that could be hacked or subpoenaed. The coin protocol security is thus compromised by a third-party app, even if its dev has no bad intentions.



 

Excellent post aigeezer!

I've been spending a lot of time in other BCT threads and on other forums altogether. I quite often have to spend an hour or two 'catching up' on this Dash thread. I'm starting to notice a worrying trend. There seems to be quite a few people on here that don't look at anything else much in crypto and just live and breath Dash alone. I can understand that as this is a great community and this project is certainly being managed and executed for the long haul. But I feel like I'm often seeing naivety being expressed where people haven't really thought through fundamental issues around how some of this stuff works and the likely nefarious actors that will eventually be attracted to Dash.

In fact, some of the notions and ideas people are holding as to how Dash will become mainstream and accepted at the point of sale in many retail outlets I think is bordering on lunacy. At the moment Dash is a tiny tiny little experiment we all love and get much enjoyment out of being a part of. We see Evan and the team working very hard and coming up with never ending creativity around solving the problems of crypto. But I'd really like everyone to take a reality check on just what's going to be involved in getting an untraceable, untrackable, anonymous digital currency anywhere even close to mainstream adoption. It's going to be a mighty undertaking that will involve battles, attacks and character assassinations we can't even begin to imagine.

There is just NO WAY IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH in today's highly anti-terrorism-funding, anti-cash, anti-untraceable, anti-anything that has the slightest whiff of nefariousness that Dash isn't going to hit multiple extreme roadblocks and major controversy storms. When the mainstream media gets hold of its private/anonymous capabilities they will have a field day of highlighting how it's a terrorists and paedophiles dream come true. I can see it coming as clear as day. We're already seeing the banking fraternity getting very worried about Bitcoin. Down here in Australia all the banks have advised Bitcoin companies and exchanges they're closing their accounts. They're making out it's because they don't want to be involved with digital currency that has so much potential for funding crime and money laundering, but the real reason is they can see the enormous damage digital currencies can do to their businesses.

When Dash starts being covered by the mainstream media the anonymity features are going to be about as acceptable to government regulators as people being able to use a pseudonym on their driver's licence (i.e. they'll be totally against it in every way imaginable). The concepts that we all understand around Dash's anonymity providing true fungability will be lost in a sea of acrimony and FUD about the anonymity just being there for nefarious dealings and nothing else. Mr and Mrs average will pretty much go along with it too as they've already been well groomed along the pathway of the "cashless society" courtesy of the government, big banks and credit card companies planting this seed over many decades. There's almost no understanding now in the general public of why privacy is an important part of democracy and there's certainly no understanding of fungability.

I just want everyone to check their group-think and confirmation-bias levels as, while I believe Dash is going to be successful, I simply cannot see it being taken up by the mainstream in any meaningful way in the next few years. A decade or two (after the world's gone through the financial calamity like no other that's ever happened before as everything deleverages) yes I can imagine things having changed so much after the population realises governments and central bankers are much to blame for fiat's meltdown, there will be an appetite with a new generation for all that Dash is and what it offers. But in the current climate and mental framework of the day, Dash is just too radical and too easily linked to everything people are fearful of.

But that's not to say that Dash won't be wildly successful in the short term though. It's a big world out there and with the total value of everything in the world currently at around $150 trillion, there's a hell of a lot of room for niche financial networks and tools. I believe Dash will end up attracting a whole raft of new players and partakers, but they're not going to be mums and dads "wanting to start using digital currencies" they'll be people aware of the need to be able to transact securely and privately and get much of their wealth out of the corrupt debt-based fiat financial system.
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but dashwhale is paid service, its better if community willing to create their own website with these capability and funded by community.


DashWhale is NOT a paid service and it was built by a community member with core team support and help.  It was built out of Evan's vision on how the interaction between community, project proposers and MN voters would interact.  It's awesome that someone built it.  And they built it first before asking for money to show the vision, so we all could understand.  Yet we don't understand an inkling.
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And to answer a question above, Node 40 is a for profit service provider, DashWhale is a DASH service provider that wants to be open and free to the community, so that they will come and use it.

You can say it's centralized, but like Evan said, there are some things that are more efficient if they're centralized, and in this case it has nothing to do with security of the currency.  But it does make it easier for every voice to be heard.

It sounds like people only want to fund core developers.  If that were the case, and making the currency useful or increasing participation in voting, etc were not worthy of funding, then I see no point to any of this.  Check out our current participation.  The best participation was for public awareness, where we had just over 50% participation.  And we're an active community, yet nearly 50% of MN owners didn't vote.  Why?  Probably because it was too hard, or troublesome.  Voting participation has done nothing but go down hill from those early days, and frankly those votes were requested by Evan.

Just like the outside world, we're becoming people who want to put all our decisions into one person's hands, Evan's.  Our benevolent dictator.  Not that Evan wants it, he want's us to start helping to make decisions.  We're acting just l like the masses of people who want no more climbing equipment in the parks for the children because they're dangerous, have the Government take care of us, make all the decisions.

And a tool, DashWhale, comes around which makes it easier for us to stay informed and participate, and make good (by the "wisdom of the masses") decisions and nobody wants to vote for it.

Yah, I'm still "discussing" it because I still think it's immensely important that we should support them.  Just my point of view and if I could convince someone, great.
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Dashwhale, moocowmoo and node40's services are so appealing that they provide a useful hint of what could - some day - be big centralized trouble.
we'll have dedicated 'start' keys sometime in the future, so I won't even need that anymore, which I look forward to.


Cool. That's the kind of thing I mean. Otherwise the Bad Guys can take one nugget from you, another from the exchanges, another from the banks, and so forth up to full identity profiles that could eventually destroy the coin.

You know all this - I'm thinking "in general", "best practices" kind of thing.


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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

why would a 3rd party app get funding from Dash ?
i do not understand why you are still pushing for this.

I am not a member there, no need for me (i do not share my details)
why would i vote for them to get funding ?
it is a great app, sure, but they could ask their customers to pay a dash a month and everything is settled !
why don't they ?

these 'emotional' discussions about votes like this or like that
come on, it has nothing to do with evan giving some kind of 'hand signal' that everybody votes yes or no !
i think (and hope) we are old enough to do that on our own.

so please let it go
 Wink

I Also agree.   It's not my belief that we should be funding "private" 3rd party projects. It was not what I believed should be the purpose of the funding mechanism, but rather funding for core development and features of the currency it's self.  IMO
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i hope DAPI can be a solution for all these third-party problems.

Agreed. Distributed "everything" is the way to go. Let's bake it into all our DASH-branded cakes if possible. My voting finger itches at the prospect.        Smiley
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

why would a 3rd party app get funding from Dash ?
i do not understand why you are still pushing for this.

I am not a member there, no need for me (i do not share my details)
why would i vote for them to get funding ?
it is a great app, sure, but they could ask their customers to pay a dash a month and everything is settled !
why don't they ?

these 'emotional' discussions about votes like this or like that
come on, it has nothing to do with evan giving some kind of 'hand signal' that everybody votes yes or no !
i think (and hope) we are old enough to do that on our own.

so please let it go
 Wink

I think it should be funded for the central forum hub where proposals can be discussed and hammered out by developers, community and MN voters.  For that part of the site, I think they should get funding.  The other part, which actually also benefits DASH as a currency, is more controversial because not all MN owners would want to use it (I don't).   IMO the MN management section makes it easier for MN voters to view and interact with the community, then submit their votes, increasing participation, it is also worthy of funding.  But secondary to the first reason.  Ask any of these guys around here if they receive enough voluntary donations to actually pay for the work and resources they put out for.

Still, it's just my opinion. 
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Dashwhale, moocowmoo and node40's services are so appealing that they provide a useful hint of what could - some day - be big centralized trouble.

This is exactly why I don't ask for any personal information; So I don't have any to give or lose control of.

I do ask people to get in touch with me so I can notify them if there's an issue, but that information is secure, offline.

Not to mention we'll have dedicated 'start' keys sometime in the future, so I won't even need that anymore, which I look forward to.

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I don't miss vertoe. I do miss chaeplin though.


I really miss chaeplin too.  Brilliant.  It's always disconcerting and worrisome when someone you know on a forum disappears.  No way to find out if they're OK or dead, or captured or what Sad
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moo just makes it look hard 'cos he's a ninja voodoo script wizard Wink

*blushes*

Hehe, thanks.  I've just spent an (my wife would agree) unhealthy amount of time in a linux terminal.

Lol, we need to propose a moo budget Smiley He gave me a hand out with getting to grips with git recently and it was invaluable, cheers moo Smiley

Lol, no.  As a proud git protagonist, I'm happy to initiate the uninitiated.

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Thanks for your help yesterday  and  very good dashman application.

You're welcome! And thanks! I've enjoyed making it.

( I'm actually porting it to python now, will be easier to handle internationalization with some proper templating. )
( Thanks tombtc! --> https://github.com/moocowmoo/dashman/blob/i18n/lang/pl_PL.sh )

I'll invite people to submit their own translations once I've finished the python port.


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Crude example: imagine a perfect app that sends daily email summaries of everything a MN operator would want to know - a perfect jewel. Under the hood is a database of MN owners that could be hacked or subpoenaed. The coin protocol security is thus compromised by a third-party app, even if its dev has no bad intentions.

This did cross my mind also.

Anonyminty is out the window once you subscribe because there's a direct coupling of email address to blockchain address. It's not fatal because if subscribers get nervous they can always re=anonymise their funds and establish new collateral addresses that are once again anonymous, but all the same you do have a point. I was aware of this when I signed up. The cost of convenience  Wink

P.S. This isn't just an issue with Dash - it occurs across the whole crypto commercial sector. Exchanges, for example, have databases of email addresses which are mappable to blockchain addresses sourced from deposits and withdrawal records.
legendary
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When and if a serious attempt is made to destroy DASH it could well take the form of an irresistible honeypot app. Dashwhale, moocowmoo and node40's services are so appealing that they provide a useful hint of what could - some day - be big centralized trouble. I hope they and all future devs can go out of their way to demonstrate that there are no centralized vulnerabilities in their services (email databases being one obvious vulnerability, ahem).

I absolutely do not want to demean those devs - I use some of their apps and am grateful to have them - but that's the problem (or future problem). Trusting Internet Strangers is dangerous. Trusting long-time allies is also dangerous (see Vertoe).

Gotta stay trustless.

Crude example: imagine a perfect app that sends daily email summaries of everything a MN operator would want to know - a perfect jewel. Under the hood is a database of MN owners that could be hacked or subpoenaed. The coin protocol security is thus compromised by a third-party app, even if its dev has no bad intentions.



 
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

Nothing astonishing about that. People vote what they think is good for DASH as a currency. Whoever is using dashwhale can donate money if they want. So if we support dashwhale and next day node40 implements excatly same features, will we fund node40 as well?  I am actually happy, dashwhale proposal was not passed. While it may seem donations is the only way to generate money, but its not true. Dashwhale stands at a unique oppurtinity to broaden service and become like a dash hub. The design is perfect and simple, hence it can expand. Perhaps a) Link dash price graphs b) Dash price graph linked with an exchange which in fact would promote people using that exchange (share fee, referral bonus?) c) add a proper merchant directory (referal bonus?) d) Collaborate with Node40 e) Be a node40 competition and if connected with an exchange just transfer MN earnings straight to the exchange account f) Add a news tab for all the relevant articles g) Perhaps online wallet... ETC... dashwhale can be a dash hub. With all do respect, the dashtalk design is not nice, while Dashwhale is sexy...

Funny you should mention us (Node40) in regards to budget proposals. We just released a first iteration of our Budget Proposals page. We don't currently support push-button voting for people who aren't hosting with Node40, but it is in the works.
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

but dashwhale is paid service, its better if community willing to create their own website with these capability and funded by community.
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

why would a 3rd party app get funding from Dash ?
i do not understand why you are still pushing for this.

I am not a member there, no need for me (i do not share my details)
why would i vote for them to get funding ?
it is a great app, sure, but they could ask their customers to pay a dash a month and everything is settled !
why don't they ?

these 'emotional' discussions about votes like this or like that
come on, it has nothing to do with evan giving some kind of 'hand signal' that everybody votes yes or no !
i think (and hope) we are old enough to do that on our own.

so please let it go
 Wink

Fully agree. Why fund dashwhale and not node40?
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

why would a 3rd party app get funding from Dash ?
i do not understand why you are still pushing for this.

I am not a member there, no need for me (i do not share my details)
why would i vote for them to get funding ?
it is a great app, sure, but they could ask their customers to pay a dash a month and everything is settled !
why don't they ?

these 'emotional' discussions about votes like this or like that
come on, it has nothing to do with evan giving some kind of 'hand signal' that everybody votes yes or no !
i think (and hope) we are old enough to do that on our own.

so please let it go
 Wink
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes

Nothing astonishing about that. People vote what they think is good for DASH as a currency. Whoever is using dashwhale can donate money if they want. So if we support dashwhale and next day node40 implements excatly same features, will we fund node40 as well?  I am actually happy, dashwhale proposal was not passed. While it may seem donations is the only way to generate money, but its not true. Dashwhale stands at a unique oppurtinity to broaden service and become like a dash hub. The design is perfect and simple, hence it can expand. Perhaps a) Link dash price graphs b) Dash price graph linked with an exchange which in fact would promote people using that exchange (share fee, referral bonus?) c) add a proper merchant directory (referal bonus?) d) Collaborate with Node40 e) Be a node40 competition and if connected with an exchange just transfer MN earnings straight to the exchange account f) Add a news tab for all the relevant articles g) Perhaps online wallet... ETC... dashwhale can be a dash hub. With all do respect, the dashtalk design is not nice, while Dashwhale is sexy...
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The whole idea behind the Virtual Corporation is that anyone can step up to the plate and work for it, if accepted by the voters.

And I must suggest strongly, that anyone wanting to do a proposal, think months in advance, start a discussion on it (preferably on Dashwhale).  You need time to gain the approval of such a diverse group of voters.  The community needs time to digest your proposal, make suggestions, and for you to implement those suggestions.  In a very real way, the forum thread that contains your proposal is your contract with the Dash Virtual Corporation.  These proposals have been coming out so loosely, mostly things that Evan says he'd like us to do, and we just do it.  Eventually, proposals should come from anyone, and they should be formalized in a thread, with final specifications and a time table.  The community should keep them honest and raise the red flag if something is going wrong, so the MN can vote down the proposal and stop the funding on solid grounds.  

Don't get me wrong, we Know our current core team are keeping tight watch on all funds they spend, and they're a small group doing so many things, but plan on putting that ledger out for public view.  But that's not how a decentralized system should work, (relying on one person to tell us what to fund and do) and we need to start setting up some rules/traditions.  IMO Smiley

Look what happened to DashWhale's proposal.  The implimented Evan's vision of a place where we can manage Dash voting, and a forum for proposals.  However, Evan never formally Green lighted the project, I suspect because he doesn't want to be the almighty dictator and to let MN voters do the right thing.  And MN voters won't support it, with many saying the reason was that Evan didn't say they should.  We all (community and MN voters) need to grow up and make the decisions that are right for Dash.  Will others that start projects, hoping to show they can do it prior to asking for funding, now stop because it looks very much like they can't win approval?  A project that's already obviously had a TON of work put into it for the benefit of the Dash Virtual Corporation, can't even get funding boggles my mind.

Otherwise it's been going very well Smiley

This hits the nail on the head, TanteStefana2.  Wink

Fully agree astonished to see the  dashwale proposal not getting enough yes votes
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