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coins101
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:52:00 PM
#95003
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 03:48:17 PM
truth hurts like a bitch, don't it.........

But you said:

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization"

That means it was a scam.

Write out your lines for lying, 1m times:


"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch

"the obviously deliberate de-optimization", that means Monero was a scam launch
bigrcanada
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
#95002
Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
-snip-
I don't agree that a few percent of the coins mined by someone who optimized the miner is  "significantly" instamined or premined. If we restrict it to the period before the obviously deliberate de-optimization was remove then it is probably 1% or less.

Yes, I guess you are right. But wait, maybe its more than that.

Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
....
If you want to express the effect of the deliberately de-optimized miner in terms of the current supply of monero it would be around 2.5x (roughly 1/2.5 of the nominal total coin supply currently exists), so probably <2.5%.

If you want to express the effect of some people optimizing miners better than others, that might be as much as 12.5% or more if you consider that it goes on forever (for every coin, nothing special about Monero).

Monero scam launch code doesn't equal instamine, apparently. So 1m instamined Monero coins is ok. No scams in Monero launch  Undecided

Hypocrisy needs to be added to the Trollero 'dev' cv.

Oh my gosh. If we were pack hunting, like the Trolleros, someone would post this on coinmarketcap and say - hey, the Scam mined Monero 'dev' admitted that Monero code was deliberately deoptimised causing an instamine / premine that scammed legitimate miners out of 1m coins.

As Monero is so 'anon', these coins are probably hidden from everyone waiting to be dumped on all the suckers monero trolls can sucker into their big fat scam fest.

And what's even worse... I don't see their developers asking their community if they would wish to burn or relaunch their coin.   Hummmmmm funny now the kettle calling the tea pot black.
smooth
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:48:17 PM
#95001
Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
Oh my gosh. If we were pack hunting, like the Trolleros, someone would post this on coinmarketcap and say - hey, the Scam mined Monero 'dev' admitted that Monero code was deliberately deoptimised causing an instamine / premine that scammed legitimate miners out of 1m coins.

If I were making shit up like you I would say Evan instamined 20 million coins and they are secretly hidden.

Repeat after me. There was no Monero instamine whatsoever.

The optimized miners are "unfair" argument is bullshit. Every single coin has optimized miners, and Dash is probably worse than most.


coins101
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
#95000
Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
-snip-
I don't agree that a few percent of the coins mined by someone who optimized the miner is  "significantly" instamined or premined. If we restrict it to the period before the obviously deliberate de-optimization was remove then it is probably 1% or less.

Yes, I guess you are right. But wait, maybe its more than that.

Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
....
If you want to express the effect of the deliberately de-optimized miner in terms of the current supply of monero it would be around 2.5x (roughly 1/2.5 of the nominal total coin supply currently exists), so probably <2.5%.

If you want to express the effect of some people optimizing miners better than others, that might be as much as 12.5% or more if you consider that it goes on forever (for every coin, nothing special about Monero).

Monero scam launch code doesn't equal instamine, apparently. So 1m instamined Monero coins is ok. No scams in Monero launch  Undecided

Hypocrisy needs to be added to the Trollero 'dev' cv.

Oh my gosh. If we were pack hunting, like the Trolleros, someone would post this on coinmarketcap and say - hey, the Scam mined Monero 'dev' admitted that Monero code was deliberately deoptimised causing an instamine / premine that scammed legitimate miners out of 1m coins.

As Monero is so 'anon', these coins are probably hidden from everyone waiting to be dumped on all the suckers monero trolls can sucker into their big fat scam fest.
bigrcanada
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:38:57 PM
#94999
Quote from: cAPSLOCK on April 27, 2015, 03:21:04 PM


Ok... Once again... For all you sleeping at the wheel. Nice and slow... For you slower ones out there.   Immediately    Once it was known that there were issues, Evan immediately asked wither we should do a relaunch or burn the coins... It was put to a vote and The community, I know this doesn't mean shit to smoothie, voted to forget and move on.

Those are the facts. Anything else is lies!  I was there... I don't remember seeing any of you butthurts there.
BrainShutdown
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:37:43 PM
#94998
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Bumping this thread is soo easy  Grin
Like this?

That is the classical way  Wink


Soo smooth and cAPSLOCK it's my undertanding that you didn't mine XCOIN/DRK/DASH in the first days, is this correct?
Did you mine Bitcoin in the first day or two?
coins101
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:37:18 PM
#94997
Smooth speaks the truth?

Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 09:47:59 AM
-snip-
I don't agree that a few percent of the coins mined by someone who optimized the miner is  "significantly" instamined or premined. If we restrict it to the period before the obviously deliberate de-optimization was remove then it is probably 1% or less.

Yes, I guess you are right. But wait, maybe its more than that.

Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 12:25:19 PM
....
If you want to express the effect of the deliberately de-optimized miner in terms of the current supply of monero it would be around 2.5x (roughly 1/2.5 of the nominal total coin supply currently exists), so probably <2.5%.

If you want to express the effect of some people optimizing miners better than others, that might be as much as 12.5% or more if you consider that it goes on forever (for every coin, nothing special about Monero).

Monero scam launch code doesn't equal instamine, apparently. So 1m instamined Monero coins is ok. No scams in Monero launch  Undecided

Hypocrisy needs to be added to the Trollero 'dev' cv.
cAPSLOCK
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
#94996
Quote from: BrainShutdown on April 27, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: cAPSLOCK on April 27, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Quote from: Lebubar on April 27, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
Oh a pseudo, so-called "Dev" from Trollero here what a surprise.

what about making a poll ?

"Is smooth a "dickhead" ?"

A. Yes
B. Yes sure.
C. Oh YES!



Smooth brings facts and a rational argument to the table and you guys hit back with Ad hominem?  

How about showing how 1.5 million DASH were not mined in <1 day.

They were definitely mined! So? It's public... do you have a point?

My point is that makes this blockchain rotten at it's foundations.
smooth
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:19:31 PM
#94995
Quote from: BrainShutdown on April 27, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: cAPSLOCK on April 27, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Quote from: Lebubar on April 27, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
Oh a pseudo, so-called "Dev" from Trollero here what a surprise.

what about making a poll ?

"Is smooth a "dickhead" ?"

A. Yes
B. Yes sure.
C. Oh YES!



Smooth brings facts and a rational argument to the table and you guys hit back with Ad hominem?  

How about showing how 1.5 million DASH were not mined in <1 day.

They were definitely mined! So? It's public... do you have a point?

Yeah the point is that its an instamine. I supported the case for that on the coinmarketcap thread and I got attacked for it here, just as cAPSLOCK said.
smooth
legendary
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:18:31 PM
#94994
Quote from: Lebubar on April 27, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Access to coins or mining was not limited in any way whatsoever.

Exactly the same as Xcoin...

No its not. First of all Evan made a series of deceptive and misleading statements that drove outsiders away from mining the launch. In fact a huge portion of the coins were already mined before the time he said he was going to launch it. Insiders -- himself at the very least if not others -- certainly knew better what was going on.

And Xcoin did have a instamine, meaning the coins were mined extremely fast (i.e. many within an hour). Meaning you would have had to have been an insider or extremely lucky to participate. That is not a healthy or above-board way to launch a coin.

Neither of these things happened with Monero (although again, Monero is not relevant to this discussion at all, it is only brought up as defensive deflection and misdirection).
BrainShutdown
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
#94993
Quote from: cAPSLOCK on April 27, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Quote from: Lebubar on April 27, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
Oh a pseudo, so-called "Dev" from Trollero here what a surprise.

what about making a poll ?

"Is smooth a "dickhead" ?"

A. Yes
B. Yes sure.
C. Oh YES!



Smooth brings facts and a rational argument to the table and you guys hit back with Ad hominem?  

How about showing how 1.5 million DASH were not mined in <1 day.

They were definitely mined! So? It's public... do you have a point?
cAPSLOCK
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
#94992
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Quote from: Lebubar on April 27, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
Oh a pseudo, so-called "Dev" from Trollero here what a surprise.

what about making a poll ?

"Is smooth a "dickhead" ?"

A. Yes
B. Yes sure.
C. Oh YES!



Smooth brings facts and a rational argument to the table and you guys hit back with Ad hominem? 

How about showing how 1.5 million DASH were not mined in <1 day.

By the way... I like Monero, but I am no Monero shill.  I have also owned DRK in the past, and have traded it recently.  But I am astonished more of you don't recognize how big a problem the instamine is.
Lebubar
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
#94991
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Access to coins or mining was not limited in any way whatsoever.

Exactly the same as Xcoin...
smooth
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
#94990
Quote from: coins101 on April 27, 2015, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Loves the history of his scam mined coin, he was, after all, there at the start  Wink

There was nothing wrong with the history of Monero. It's one of if not the cleanest coins and launches in history. In reality the only ones who criticize it are Dash supporters defensively lashing out at anything they can because they don't like their history being put under the microscope. Even people like BlockaFett who have bothered to actually look into it have recognized that it isn't a scam. He still doesn't like how we dislike and criticize Dash, but that doesn't make Monero a scam.

The miner crap you keep bringing up didn't matter at all. Everyone who wanted to mine could not only mine on their own computers easily enough but could pay for cloud mining and still mine at a profit. You could mine as much as you wanted and get as many coins as you wanted. The only real difference was that the people with the optimized miners had lower costs so their profit was higher (they still paid a lot though). There was effectively zero instamine (better than even most other honestly-launched coins with slowly difficulty adjustment). Access to coins or mining was not limited in any way whatsoever.
coins101
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:07:23 PM
#94989
Quote from: coins101 on April 03, 2015, 06:22:22 PM




Can't wait.
Lebubar
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
#94988
Oh a pseudo, so-called "Dev" from Trollero here what a surprise.

what about making a poll ?

"Is smooth a "dickhead" ?"

A. Yes
B. Yes sure.
C. Oh YES!

coins101
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:03:13 PM
#94987
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss

Loves the history of his scam mined coin, he was, after all, there at the start  Wink

bigrcanada
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
#94986
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Smooth & the Gang.

".... I don't like the history of one bit"  AWWW, muffin!  Kiss
smooth
legendary
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
#94985
Quote from: Kai Proctor on April 27, 2015, 02:25:46 PM
Quote from: smooth on April 27, 2015, 02:07:56 PM



Funny that your obsession for truth is limited to Dash. You simply want to throw mud on a fearsome competitor and increase the value of your coin. You don't care about anybody but yourself, stop the hero act.

I don't single out Dash, it just happens to be one that I don't like the history of one bit. I've also criticized other coins, especially IPO/ICO coins, and coins that hype on the basis of "star" developers with little to no relevant and/or verifiable qualifications, and other scammish practices in the crypto space. I warned people to get the hell out of MtGox before it collapsed because it was clear to me even before the malleability nonsense that it was a ponzi-ish scam, warned about various craigslist and localbitcoins scams, and others. Sorry if that ruins your narrative of "he just spews hate on us because Monero" but that's reality. Don't feel so special.
Sub-Ether
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
April 27, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
#94984
Quote from: bigrcanada on April 27, 2015, 02:48:01 PM
So...now that we know where we all stand.

I'm looking forward to testing the InstantX Wallet with darksend


Have some wine before testing for added fun, after all you can't lose any coins in testnet if you get a bit too tipsy, just confirm the wallet has testnet written at the top and is orange in colour before flinging out thousands to everybody Grin
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