I'd not seen this, looks like someone has hacked a Trezor to work with DRK 
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162
thats pretty awesome
Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 2850. (Read 9723748 times)
March 05, 2015, 04:41:17 PM
thats pretty awesome
March 05, 2015, 04:35:25 PM
One more 44k tranche of BTC left hanging over us from the USMS, hopefully done in the next 3 months.
March 05, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
-snip-
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).
Is this right?
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).
Is this right?
It's all a bit random.
I thought I must be missing something...
But I can see the advert now: -
Imagine your transaction was a grain of sand.
Now Imagine mixing that grain with all the grains on earth and giving the world a good shake.
would anybody be able to find your grain again?
Darkcoin's transaction obfuscation is 20 million times better!
Just a thought :-)
Edit: added 20 million...
March 05, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
-snip-
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).
Is this right?
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).
Is this right?
It's all a bit random.
March 05, 2015, 04:17:11 PM
I'd not seen this, looks like someone has hacked a Trezor to work with DRK
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/trezor-for-darkcoin.4162
March 05, 2015, 03:34:17 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
So if I understand this correctly... If somebody owned 1000 masternodes they would still have more chance finding a single grain of sand hidden within all the grains on earth (1 in 5e+21 chance :: http://www.universetoday.com/106725/are-there-more-grains-of-sand-than-stars/) than they would in linking a single transaction back to my wallet after only 4 rounds of mixing (1 in 1e+29 chance).
Is this right?
March 05, 2015, 03:09:52 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
So it is possible to control the network. This is how I would do it.
1. Find the IP of all the Master Node operators.
2. Get friendly with all of them through social media.
3. Send a blonde or redhead to where they live, boy or girl depending on which side of the bed they prefer.
4. Get them in some compromising pictures.
5. Get them to install a trojan (or face release of compromising pictures, see 4) and give me control of their Master Node.
That's it. Pretty simple, really.
As the master node network is worth $7.5m, my attack would work out much cheaper.
I know. I should work for MI6 or the CIA.
shit, we need hooker protection for our masternodes and operators
POP, proof of penetration
March 05, 2015, 02:57:27 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
So it is possible to control the network. This is how I would do it.
1. Find the IP of all the Master Node operators.
2. Get friendly with all of them through social media.
3. Send a blonde or redhead to where they live, boy or girl depending on which side of the bed they prefer.
4. Get them in some compromising pictures.
5. Get them to install a trojan (or face release of compromising pictures, see 4) and give me control of their Master Node.
That's it. Pretty simple, really.
As the master node network is worth $7.5m, my attack would work out much cheaper.
I know. I should work for MI6 or the CIA.
March 05, 2015, 02:32:05 PM
Now to figure out the best way to prevent DDOSing masternodes and masking IPs from clients sending/receiving.
March 05, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
There is tiny spelling error-it should be to the power, but the result is correct, and the others are fine 
Correction:
4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
using this website
http://www.ttmath.org/online_calculator
result (short version)
1.1528508353537053549739583207525252156496391578639416102383 374858721370200097914374139661340768357551534670789900537754 840992741498908101433016034848161185003717928372314816144293 798152457104955547663012531594515871581332402356555814793877 724578309519556863556390860790743878654108836334077585378110e-189
Correction:
4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
using this website
http://www.ttmath.org/online_calculator
result (short version)
1.1528508353537053549739583207525252156496391578639416102383 374858721370200097914374139661340768357551534670789900537754 840992741498908101433016034848161185003717928372314816144293 798152457104955547663012531594515871581332402356555814793877 724578309519556863556390860790743878654108836334077585378110e-189
March 05, 2015, 01:57:57 PM
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It'ssuper hyper secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.
Congratulations on your statistical probabilities, you have caused my scientific calculator to go out of range
it was manual 0 multiplies but -48 is LOL and as we can use them with 4 rounds and later more or redominate it is just AWESOME! March 05, 2015, 01:54:15 PM
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It'ssuper hyper secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
Eduffield does this mean that DS is possible to deanonymise in 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005% with only 1 round with 10 MNs? LOL!
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.
Congratulations on your statistical probabilities, you have caused my scientific calculator to go out of range
March 05, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
If so we have the perfect private e-cash impossible to break.
March 05, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Excuse me if this was mentioned before, but why would We Live Security leave out Darkcoin on this article?: http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/03/05/five-alternatives-bitcoin/
My initial thought was maybe they took the top 5 by marketcap...but Namecoin?!
March 05, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low
It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.On my side I expect a bounce
Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump
I keep my holdings till we see new galacsy.
Thats the spirit of holder !
Andromeda we're coming
March 05, 2015, 01:43:04 PM
Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low
It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.On my side I expect a bounce
Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump
I keep my holdings till we see new galacsy.
March 05, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
March 05, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
The dumps are always on low volume...with high volume the price skyrockets. That's a good sign. Just another high profile adoption will take this coin to the next level, IMHO. edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
March 05, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
Evan on Testnet: Darksend rounds with MN Blinding are 100x more secure!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-2-x-testing.4202/page-3#post-44576
I knew it was more secure, but that's something else!
How can one say they are 100x more secure now, or 90x? I mean, where is this number coming from?
Probability of following Darksend through
- 4 non-blinded rounds with 10 masternodes* is (10/2300)^4 == 3.5734577849564574e-10
- 4 blinded rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)**4 == 1.1528508353537067e-189
Each round uses 20 random masternodes of 2300, so you must control 20 of 2300 four times in a row. It's super secure .
Here's the new probablities for each successive round:
- 1 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^1 == 5.826976675086318e-48
- 2 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^2 == 3.3953657171999996e-95
- 3 rounds with 10 masternodes is ((10/2300.0)^20)^3 == 1.9784716837512123e-142
- 4 rounds with 1000 masternodes is ((1000/2300.0)^20)^4 == 1.1528508353537028e-29
* attacker controlled
March 05, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
Oho Otoh will be happy finally some coins into his e-walls.
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
edit: Ahhh I forgot Otoh has the walls only @ bitfinex now. So he needs to wait a bit more
So you expect the price drop massively under 0.012,who's gonna dump more than 20k of dark now lolll ?we've already live a dump phase with like 20k of weak hand leaving,who have probably expect rebuy at 0.01 but didn't... shame on this mind thinking ,sell high buy low
It work for dead metal like gold or silver,dark is an innovation,and the most big since bitcoin.On my side I expect a bounce
Edit: blinding masternode is here,ds working 100% safer? certainly not time to dump
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