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toknormal
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:27:24 PM
#78420
Quote from: Macrochip on February 02, 2015, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: toknormal on February 02, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
What does Evan mean when says he's going to "blind" the masternodes ?

What does that mean technically speaking ?


Currently masternodes "see" where their inputs and outputs are coming from/going to, which necessitates multiple rounds of anonymization for DarkSend to be reasonably secure. By knocking their lights out if you will anonymization will occur much faster with fewer rounds and is even more secure.

Masternodes going Dark. Wink

Thanks - nice explanation ! Smiley

Obvious next question - why were "their lights" ever on in the first place then if it's such a great idea for them not to be ?
Macrochip
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:24:38 PM
#78419
Quote from: toknormal on February 02, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
What does Evan mean when says he's going to "blind" the masternodes ?

What does that mean technically speaking ?


Currently masternodes "see" where their inputs and outputs are coming from/going to, which necessitates multiple rounds of anonymization for DarkSend to be reasonably secure. By knocking their lights out if you will anonymization will occur much faster with fewer rounds and is even more secure.

Masternodes going Dark. Wink
GhostPlayer
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:16:55 PM
#78418
Quote from: Lukas_Jackson on February 02, 2015, 07:12:53 PM

I can see your noses are getting brown Roll Eyes  Cheesy

 There is nothing brown about an open hearted show of affection  Wink

 You in need of some TLC, Lukas?  Grin
JGCMiner
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
#78417
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: splawik21 on February 02, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.
LOL !!!! so 16 round would be like 160 - 320 rounds? !!!! LOL LOL LOL  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Actually it's a bit better, because I was just including 1 parties outputs. Let's say there's 15 outputs per party and 3 parties, thats 45 outputs. So 16 rounds would be as secure as 16*45 (each inputs has a separate relay). 720 rounds! At that point even 2-3 rounds is more than enough.

Absolutely awesome!

If possible, I would love get one of those flow charts (like the ones we had for the original DS and RC4 DS) so that the layman also understands the awesomeness of this development. Tongue

Blinded MNs+ IP obfuscation (still in the pipeline, I assume) = Darksend is bulletproof from an anon standpoint as well as a FUD standpoint. Can't wait!   Grin
Lukas_Jackson
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:12:53 PM
#78416
Quote from: GhostPlayer on February 02, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
Otoh, my new man crush, love you long time baby!!  Kiss
Quote from: qwizzie on February 02, 2015, 02:45:32 PM

one tiny step for Otoh is one giant leap for Darkcoin .. eh.. or something like that   Grin
I can see your noses are getting brown Roll Eyes  Cheesy
toknormal
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:07:30 PM
#78415

Quote from: Minotaur26 on February 02, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
This is absolutely great, with blinded masternodes, the old and inaccurate argument about having to trust masternodes will no longer make any sense...

What does Evan mean when says he's going to "blind" the masternodes ?

What does that mean technically speaking ?
oblox
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
#78414
Quote from: splawik21 on February 02, 2015, 06:52:45 PM
Next flag? Smiley



Wedge.
splawik21
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:52:45 PM
#78413
Next flag? Smiley

Minotaur26
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
#78412
This is absolutely great, with blinded masternodes, the old and inaccurate argument about having to trust masternodes will no longer make any sense. You already don't have to trust masternodes as they are selected randomly for each round so you would need to control like 80% of the network to really follow transactions, but with this there is just no space for bs propaganda against Darksend.
Ignition75
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
#78411
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: splawik21 on February 02, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.
LOL !!!! so 16 round would be like 160 - 320 rounds? !!!! LOL LOL LOL  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Actually it's a bit better, because I was just including 1 parties outputs. Let's say there's 15 outputs per party and 3 parties, thats 45 outputs. So 16 rounds would be as secure as 16*45 (each inputs has a separate relay). 720 rounds! At that point even 2-3 rounds is more than enough.

I am literally about to pass out with joy...
splawik21
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
#78410
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: splawik21 on February 02, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.
LOL !!!! so 16 round would be like 160 - 320 rounds? !!!! LOL LOL LOL  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Actually it's a bit better, because I was just including 1 parties outputs. Let's say there's 15 outputs per party and 3 parties, thats 45 outputs. So 16 rounds would be as secure as 16*45 (each inputs has a separate relay). 720 rounds! At that point even 2-3 rounds is more than enough.
EVAN you`re f**ing awesome! Smiley
That way DS is practicly not to deanonymise!
oblox
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:30:42 PM
#78409
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Quote from: jiggytom on February 02, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.

What do you mean by blind?

Masternodes currently know where your money went, they see your inputs and outputs, which is why the anonymization process uses more than 1. Unless the masternodes are colluding and recording everything, it's quite anonymous as it stands. The next stage is where you pick 20 masternodes from the list of 2000, then you split up your transaction and send 1/20 through each one and they relay it to the one talking to the three parties. This means for an 60 input transaction, there's 61 nodes involved. Way more secure.

Love it, couple that with no longer exposing masternode IPs and we are on to something.
GhostPlayer
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
#78408
Wow !! Bitcoin was red only few minutes ago and WHAM! ... huge leap.

 Its like whales are pantomining bitcoin's price like drk does IX tx. "lets see how much we can make the price rise instantly". As a side effect DRK still at 0.08, went from 1.83 to 1.95USD in minutes.

Otoh, my new man crush, love you long time baby!!  Kiss
eduffield
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
#78407
Quote from: splawik21 on February 02, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.
LOL !!!! so 16 round would be like 160 - 320 rounds? !!!! LOL LOL LOL  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Actually it's a bit better, because I was just including 1 parties outputs. Let's say there's 15 outputs per party and 3 parties, thats 45 outputs. So 16 rounds would be as secure as 16*45 (each inputs has a separate relay). 720 rounds! At that point even 2-3 rounds is more than enough.
DjangoUnhinged
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:23:41 PM
#78406
Does anyone here use BTer?
I've used them loads and never had an issue, but today I sent them a large amount of DRK (over 12 hours ago) and the transaction is still stuck.
Blockchain Explorer says "Not yet redeemed."

Is it possible BTer is not synching on purpose in some attempt to control order book?

Another question this raises is that if a sent transaction is not yet redeemed, could there be something implemented to pull back, i.e. cancel the transaction from the sender's end?
Because at the moment it seems like in cases like this, we're at the mercy of the exchange.

I suppose this could be a moot point with instant x though.....

  Angry
eduffield
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
#78405
Quote from: jiggytom on February 02, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.

What do you mean by blind?

Masternodes currently know where your money went, they see your inputs and outputs, which is why the anonymization process uses more than 1. Unless the masternodes are colluding and recording everything, it's quite anonymous as it stands. The next stage is where you pick 20 masternodes from the list of 2000, then you split up your transaction and send 1/20 through each one and they relay it to the one talking to the three parties. This means for an 60 input transaction, there's 61 nodes involved. Way more secure.
splawik21
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
#78404
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.
LOL !!!! so 16 round would be like 160 - 320 rounds? !!!! LOL LOL LOL  Shocked Shocked Shocked
Sub-Ether
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Quantum entangled and jump drive assisted messages
Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:13:34 PM
#78403
Was it Oscar Wilde who said that any party that does not invite him, is one that he doesn't want to goto?
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-elite-meet-secret-island-bilderberg-style-retreat/
kointrend
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:11:43 PM
#78402
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.

Cool! Cool  Twitted.
jiggytom
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
February 02, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
#78401
Quote from: eduffield on February 02, 2015, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: stealth923 on February 02, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Been testing InstantX in the test environment - absolutely amazing work by Evan.

Full transaction confirmations are blindingly quick with Masternode locking.

InstantX is looking very solid - cant wait for the production release.

Try DS too, I just did 3 rounds in 10 minutes. The DSTX messaging system is working really well  Grin The next release I might just go ahead and blind the whole masternode system. The security at that point will be insane, each round theoretically is as secure as how many inputs you used. So 3 rounds will on average be the same is 30-60 rounds.

What do you mean by blind?
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