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But listen to yourself, already you try to distance yourself from dogecoin etc... what? why?  
What's wrong with funny memes again? Humour is dangerous?
Why can't darkcoin have that too???

We need mass appeal, not cheap jokes.

Whats up with the price suppression on cryptsy? Couple K's sell wall trying to force lower for last 2 days  

Have been following this interaction diligently. Here's my take:

f2000 I completely agree with just about everything you've said and I really appreciate you collating all those examples. I would just caution though (and given the quality of your writing style; this won't be news to you) the need to remember just how limited is a back and forth written interaction in a forum like this on getting to the core of an issue and really understanding where everyone's coming from.

For me I am desperately hoping that professional marketing will happen and happen very soon. There's no doubt Darkcoin has enormous potential; I wouldn't have suffered the losses I have investing my time and money in this and if I didn't believe in its long term potential to be something of tremendous value and utility. What concerns me greatly (and has from the beginning) is the lack of focus and clarity as to just who we are targeting for Darkcoin and what will be the strategy to develop the core messaging to ensure it stays on track to an agreed positioning statement. We have vast number of views on here as to what DRK is going to provide and who the key users/customers will be. The constant reference to getting dark markets to take up adoption and people talking the attractiveness of DRK for gambling, porn, weapons, drugs is very very concerning to me. There's a high level of nerd/geek culture on here and unfortunately nerd/geeks are hopelessly inadequate at understanding how easily branding can go astray and (without careful management) can take a brand down a track that's eventually irrecoverable. We have a very real risk of DRK being subject to an unfortunate set of PR mis-understandings/misapprehensions and being immediately tarnished as a subversive/"dangerous"/criminal tool that no mainstream business would ever touch. I fear that this outcome is highly likely and will relegate DRK to a level of poor credibility and poor acceptability that will make Silk Road look like something mainstream businesses might consider supporting.

Tao I think f2000's point is entirely valid (not withstanding the difficulties of this written communication process we're all involved in on this forum) in that he's saying it's incredibly important to get a video made that's positioned properly, is not "geeky" and is easily understandable by mainstream Internet users who may not know anything about even Bitcoin, let alone the world of Alts. That doesn't mean we have to dumb it down; far from it. The Hungry Beast videos he posted are testament to how you can take relatively complex concepts and package them for wide audience acceptability and understandability.

f2000 I think Tao's just trying to point out that using the Bitcoinrush guy is just one avenue and will likely result in some good reach into realms we're not currently reaching. I take your concerns to heart though. 30 seconds in watching his video and it's far from what I'm hoping to see in terms of quality and "unkookiness" (he's funny and all but not what you'd want representing such an important project as the main outbound marketing stream....but Tao I've comprehended what you're saying about him too).

Lots to consider here. I'd really like to hear Evans thoughts on marketing and how we're going to get this thing onto a straight and narrow messaging platform before DRK ends up down some alternative track we'd not really hoped to see it travel. If we want widespread adoption we need to plan how we'll appeal to enough sections of the community that they'll appreciate what DRK is and have trust in using it. That won't happen though an ad-hoc uncoordinated fashion with mixed messaging going here, there and everywhere.

Darkcoin should try and build an image around neutrality and secrecy, much like switzerland has build an image around neutrality and secrecy over the past 100 years.

That would make sense.

How can we do that?

tx
JaJa good one !
Saw that .... wish we had a DRK version of that !!

a) yes and no at the same time... DRK has many core features that will cater 99% of general use. Much like, for example, multisig explanation is not on the official BTC video.

b) We're absolutely selling a "product". Anonymous money. Even just an idea can be a "product". Actually, you sell the "idea", you sell the "product". And read me back, I also mention for the good and the bad. Not my place to judge what is what.

 I dont want paypal's nothing at all. Just definitely not humor. Money is no joke. A simple light-hearted swing across DRK's key features and ideals and morals.

I love Dark... but lets face it, depending on media exposure it can be very easily associated with the negatives it can imply. So not suggesting being a corporate, dull, static, robotic thing. Like I said, the official BTC video masters its with very serious talk with a "cartoonish" feel to it, without being silly at all.

I'd be surprised if you haven't seen it!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo

a) shouldn't we wait for darkcoin to mature into the real ecash first?
Or else we would need to update the official video all the time.

b) we are not selling a product, we are creating a new form of money.
Money doesn't stink, it shouldn't have an image. What does that even mean?  
If darkcoin is one day succesful it will be used for all kinds of things, legal and illegal.
If a money can't be used for illegal things then it is worth shit.

If I understand you correctly you want darkcoin to build an image much like paypal has built an image.
But paypal is a totally regulated, controlled and limited form of "money" (well, banking rather) that has absolutely nothing to do with what darkcoin wants to be.

So, when darkcoin tries to go the way of the paypal, will we see news like that, but for darkcoin?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24gcka/paypal_blocking_transactions_of_porn_professionals/

You know, you can't have your image be associated with the porn industry, we wouldn't want that.  
right?

(of course I am joking)

But listen to yourself, already you try to distance yourself from dogecoin etc... what? why?  
What's wrong with funny memes again?
Why can't darkcoin have that too???

What's with all the limitations and cleanliness?

+ 1 to that !
do you have the link to that video ?

Dear me, I'd have to quote so many great opinions from these past few hours... so here goes my 0.2 duffs

 I work professionally in a specific area of the entertainment field. Image is everything when it comes to promotion.
 One thing is an official video, the other is fun-lovin´fan work.

 I was thinking exactly what Kai posted. A simple and "stupid", extremely sober and professional animated short video, to serves as basis for the gist of Darkcoin in general. Then eventually sub-sequent videos for the finer details, tutorials, in-depth explanations, etc...

 This is NOT Dogecoin. Humour is dangerous! Add that to "dark markets" and you'll get slammed with "junkie coin" by the media, just 'cos you know how they're like...  Darkcoin can very well become one of the most interesting, important and influential financial tools of our times. Like all things powerful, for the good and the bad. It is crucial that the official video contains all the answers to core questioning upon it's viewing. Copywriting the script (pun not intended) for such a video far outweighs who the hell animates it. Having said that, image is everything, so a killer script + killer video = mass awareness.

 It is imperative the Darkcoin's official core image directives represent its phisolophy and it's origins and objectives. A very serious protocol to empower the individual. The individuals of the world need a simple and cross-cultured presentation of what Darkcoin is and what is proposes.
 
 That Bitcoin video, to whom I've shown to many dozen people so far, masters it.

Dear me, I'd have to quote so many great opinions from these past few hours... so here goes my 0.2 duffs

 I work professionally in a specific area of the entertainment field. Image is everything when it comes to promotion.
 One thing is an official video, the other is fun-lovin´fan work.

 I was thinking exactly what Kai posted. A simple and "stupid", extremely sober and professional animated short video, to serves as basis for the gist of Darkcoin in general. Then eventually sub-sequent videos for the finer details, tutorials, in-depth explanations, etc...

 This is NOT Dogecoin. Humour is dangerous! Add that to "dark markets" and you'll get slammed with "junkie coin" by the media, just 'cos you know how they're like...  Darkcoin can very well become one of the most interesting, important and influential financial tools of our times. Like all things powerful, for the good and the bad. It is crucial that the official video contains all the answers to core questioning upon it's viewing. Copywriting the script (pun not intended) for such a video far outweighs who the hell animates it. Having said that, image is everything, so a killer script + killer video = mass awareness.

 It is imperative the Darkcoin's official core image directives represent its phisolophy and it's origins and objectives. A very serious protocol to empower the individual. The individuals of the world need a simple and cross-cultured presentation of what Darkcoin is and what is proposes.
 
 That Bitcoin video, to whom I've shown to many dozen people so far, masters it.

Little Fundraiser for PR Writers Bounties ....>

Hey community,
as you know a couple of community guys and girls are writing Press Releases, helping Evan with his Releases (writing), help promote DRK by submitting written Stories to publications and much more.....

They are very important and needed,
so to keep the crew happy and throw a little incentive behind this I am doing a fundraiser for a small bounty pot !
Am planing to pay/giveaway 5 DRK (across the board) for each PR Release, Story, Whitepaper ,......>

I am looking for 100 DRK
(so we haver that pot filled up and do NOT have to do this after each writing job)

Donation Address:
XjxqubJYbVfDFyLYv76WVLwNh3nPo5Ndj6

To start this party off, i send 25 DRK to show my appreciation to the Writing Crew.

Anybody else,
please feel free to donate !
Tx

 

I realize some people have that attitude and can be marketed to in that way.  

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 18-24 year old college kid is our target demographic.  

If someone is a true fan and wants to contribute, awesome..... but please label it "fan made".

I kindly disagree.

Something tells me that darkcoin price will explode once we see lots and lots of fans producing their own versions of promo videos, funny videos, tutorials, reviews, etc...

More decentralization is necessary. More independent agents acting on their own, kinda like masternodes in a way.

If we wait for "darkcoin officials" to approve every video then we will go nowhere.

Ofcourse darkcoin has to have an official face, and this will be represented over at darkcoin.io and the respective social channels attached to it.

If I stumble on a fan video of a new coin , first thing I do is go to the official site and ann thread to check the coin, I don't let the fan video influence me any further. Why should I?
It's an appetizer, nothing more. First the fun meme, but then the cold facts!

So dont discard the work coming from fans. They invest their own time and money, and this is more valuable than anything.  

Two important lessons: 1. Never underestimate your enemy. 2. The fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

If government's were just stupid, they would at least once make a mistake in our favor. If the markets were as predictable as the relentless march of governmental power acquisition, you could leverage one FRN into a fortune--but by then it might be worthless.

I have been told that I have been overly cautious in my dealings on this site and my few dealings with exchanges, because everything we do here is legal.  My concern has never been with my jurisdiction today, it has always focused on what it might become tomorrow. Even if this pronouncement turns out to only apply to exchanges, do not doubt that at the very least you will be required at some point to have some sort of "easily earned" license, and "easily complied with reporting requirements" to use any crypto-currency. The sheeple have already consented to the basic principles, and Bitcoin aficionados are already bleeting for it. It has already been noted here how wealth tends to change one's ethics. The Bitcoin foundation, and millionaires will be of no help. It is in their best interest to conform. They are the good guys who want to be regulated--it protects them from... US!

Consider the fundamental right to use your own property and travel unhindered on public right-of-ways, provided you were not degrading the public's property for personal gain. Commercial enterprises were legitimately required to get "Driver licenses" because their cattle "drives" or taxi or truck "drivers" were profiting at public expense and degrading public property. Later, governments leveraged public fear over the mayhem that would ensue from unqualified operators using their inventions in public to unintentionally murder people in the streets. Mass producers of these new-fangled transportation devices urged governmental regulation in order to restrict their competition protect public safety. The sheeple clamored for the special status of "licensed driver" not realizing that traveling with your property was a protected constitutional right, and that "Driving" was a legal term applied to transport for commerce. Today the precedent is established, and there is no going back. Few today even realize what true freedom looks like. They expect that you need governmental permission to do anything, as opposed to being allowed to do anything that is not illegal, or restricts another's liberties. Today Americans are free because they have the most generous government on the planet. Look at all the "rights it grants them!" (Sic)

It may be time for a number of you to start developing reputations with more secure personas and consider retiring those which have so much personally identifiable information. I certainly hope much thought is being given to the jurisdiction and better yet, obscuring of masternodes and wallets. I rather doubt that AWS will be viable for long.

I don't get the impression that many of you are in the habit of praying; it may be time to start.  May God bless and protect Ethan! DRK was made for dark days... I just hope it is ready in time.

Peace to you all,

Strix

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