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Quote from: flound1129 on July 05, 2014, 02:09:55 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 02:03:13 PM

We support like 40 coins, all of them have something bubbling, for none of them do we have update stratum code unless it's a new algo. First we were told we just needed to update client, which we complied with as fast as we could. If some one could point to some clear instructions on what needs to be done, we would attempt to comply, but so far nothing (something beyond then just "update NOMP" as we have to write the solution custom ourselves.)

Hi, I have to agree with this, there should be no stratum modifications necessary for the masternode payments, they should be done within the coin wallet code, there is code already out there for this, check freicoin or other coins that have automated donations.

People are going to exploit this to steal masternode payments. I guarantee it.

Maybe. But enforcement in RC4 might be a barrier.

EDIT:

I have no issue with pools. I've used them quite a bit.

But maybe using sporks can be used to prevent ASICs and enforcement can be used to encourage p2pool. Both encourage decentralisation, something we should all want to see.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 02:03:13 PM

We support like 40 coins, all of them have something bubbling, for none of them do we have update stratum code unless it's a new algo. First we were told we just needed to update client, which we complied with as fast as we could. If some one could point to some clear instructions on what needs to be done, we would attempt to comply, but so far nothing (something beyond then just "update NOMP" as we have to write the solution custom ourselves.)

Hi, I have to agree with this, there should be no stratum modifications necessary for the masternode payments, they should be done within the coin wallet code, there is code already out there for this, check freicoin or other coins that have automated donations.

People are going to exploit this to steal masternode payments. I guarantee it.

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Quote from: coins101 on July 05, 2014, 02:06:59 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 02:03:13 PM

Quote from: Scriptiee on July 05, 2014, 01:58:35 PM

Quote from: MineP.it on July 05, 2014, 01:54:33 PM

You don't have to manually pay anything. You just need to make some modifications to your stratum code that adds the extra transaction to the block. Shouldn't take very long if you know what you're doing. And, as a pool owner, you should.

this indeed

We support like 40 coins, all of them have something bubbling, for none of them do we have update stratum code unless it's a new algo. First we were told we just needed to update client, which we complied with as fast as we could. If some one could point to some clear instructions on what needs to be done, we would attempt to comply, but so far nothing (something beyond then just "update NOMP" as we have to write the solution custom ourselves.)

Thank you for pointing out that the vast majority of coins are not trying to push the boundaries of innovation Tongue

Post here for help:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/just-had-an-idea-for-us-miner-collectively-help-drk-before-next-fork.1662/

If DRK is still on your 'rotation', you must find it profitable, which is contra to what you said earlier Tongue

Profit switch is 100% formula based-- it's whatever our algo says.

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Quote from: Drobek on July 05, 2014, 02:06:33 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:45:41 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

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Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

It doesn't limit anything for my miners, at -20% DRK is not a profitable coin to mine at all-- on top of that we would have to invest dev time in to what is largely not a very profitable coin.

Like I said, we will just be removing it from our rotation, as it does not make sense to mine-- not to mention the DEVs did not make it easy for pools with any clear instructions on what even needs to be automated. Just github links to a bunch of patches for off the shelf solutions--- 0 help really.

Thanks for the view from the other side. Yes, the instructions could have been better. On the other hand, the majority of pools managed to implement the MN and surprise surprise - they still mine the coin even when the rate is lower by 20%. However, their compliance is putting them into disadvantaged positions against your pool so it is unlikely this situation will last much longer.

Look we have no problem complying, but 95% of those pools just had to update to the latest version of NOMP (the solution was provided for them) we have to write it custom. We would pay the 20%, and work it in to our formula-- but like I said instructions were not clear, even after we scrubbed through this thread and the darkcointalk one. This is coming from my engineers who spent like the better part of yesterday looking in to trying write in compliance.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 02:03:13 PM

Quote from: Scriptiee on July 05, 2014, 01:58:35 PM

Quote from: MineP.it on July 05, 2014, 01:54:33 PM

You don't have to manually pay anything. You just need to make some modifications to your stratum code that adds the extra transaction to the block. Shouldn't take very long if you know what you're doing. And, as a pool owner, you should.

this indeed

We support like 40 coins, all of them have something bubbling, for none of them do we have update stratum code unless it's a new algo. First we were told we just needed to update client, which we complied with as fast as we could. If some one could point to some clear instructions on what needs to be done, we would attempt to comply, but so far nothing (something beyond then just "update NOMP" as we have to write the solution custom ourselves.)

Thank you for pointing out that the vast majority of coins are not trying to push the boundaries of innovation Tongue

Post here for help:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/just-had-an-idea-for-us-miner-collectively-help-drk-before-next-fork.1662/

If DRK is still on your 'rotation', you must find it profitable, which is contra to what you said earlier Tongue

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:45:41 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

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Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

It doesn't limit anything for my miners, at -20% DRK is not a profitable coin to mine at all-- on top of that we would have to invest dev time in to what is largely not a very profitable coin.

Like I said, we will just be removing it from our rotation, as it does not make sense to mine-- not to mention the DEVs did not make it easy for pools with any clear instructions on what even needs to be automated. Just github links to a bunch of patches for off the shelf solutions--- 0 help really.

Thanks for stopping by and for the view from the other side. Yes, the instructions could have been better. On the other hand, the majority of pools managed to implement the MN and surprise surprise - they still mine the coin even when the rate is lower by 20%. However, their compliance is putting them into disadvantaged positions against your pool so it is unlikely this situation will last much longer.

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Quote from: ultradar on July 05, 2014, 01:35:17 PM

I'm so annoyed to people selling huge amounts of dark on this ridiculous prices, why they hurt the coin instead of letting the price rise so they can profit more, also i hate those idiots on cryptsy trollbox insulting the darkcoin and talking about other clones and scam coins like they are better from our DARK...also i hope evan will make an positive announcement as soon as possible because the coin is being dumped because too many investors are afraid of the wallet bugs,the difficulty of setting up an masternode and we need immidiately to get ridd off those pools which are not willing to update they are scaring the hell out of the peoples..this coins is not stable anymore...WE NEED TO FIX THOSE ISSUES FIXED IMMIDIATELY ...there is not more time for fail,,this need to be done fast and with reliability.....I HOPE EVAN WILL DELIVER AND PERFECT CODING JOB WITHOUT ERRORS THIS TIME ON THE RC4......the price is hurting too many investors who are panic selling and too many enemies trying to kill the coin also ...GO DARK PROVE THEM WRONG...we need dark to rise to 0.03..this is more suitable for this coin ...we can even see bigger prices...RISE DARK ..RISE TO THE MOON!!

Words of a true bagholder Wink

Some people predicted drk at .008 some time ago and with no new announcements...

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We support like 40 coins, all of them have something bubbling, for none of them do we have update stratum code unless it's a new algo. First we were told we just needed to update client, which we complied with as fast as we could. If some one could point to some clear instructions on what needs to be done, we would attempt to comply, but so far nothing (something beyond then just "update NOMP" as we have to write the solution custom ourselves.)

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:59:10 PM

Which is why I said, if it was just as easy as updating the wallet, we would tweak our profit formula, and I wouldn't speak of it ever. The only reason I'm on here is because I kept getting messages about it, and we were trying to comply, we updated our wallet etc. But there was nearly no information on how pools can update themselves to work automagically with the payments-- except for updating NOMP or Stratum -- which we run a highly custom version of, so we can't just do that.

That was my whole point, I don't care what you guys do with your currency, or how you handle it, or whatever-- but everyone is saying COMPLY COMPLY, with nearly no information on how to do it.

There is plenty of information available on this forum as well as on darkcointalk.org all you need to do is spend a little time looking for it. Though this looks like it's not something you are interested in, therefore please do keep your word and remove DRK from your multipool.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:59:10 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:55:53 PM

Quote from: coins101 on July 05, 2014, 01:54:45 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:50:26 PM

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

Well if you find it difficult to comply with the intentions of the community and the development team, best we leave things there then. If you guys are paying out in BTC or something other than DRK, you are part of the reason for the coin 'not being profitable to mine'.

In any event, if its not profitable, you wouldn't be switching to mine it, so no loss for you either way.

+1, especially the part in bold!

Which is why I said, if it was just as easy as updating the wallet, we would tweak our profit formula, and I wouldn't speak of it ever. The only reason I'm on here is because I kept getting messages about it, and we were trying to comply, we updated our wallet etc. But there was nearly no information on how pools can update themselves to work automagically with the payments-- except for updating NOMP or Stratum -- which we run a highly custom version of, so we can't just do that.

That was my whole point, I don't care what you guys do with your currency, or how you handle it, or whatever-- but everyone is saying COMPLY COMPLY, with nearly no information on how to do it.

May I suggest that if you want to stop getting emails, you go ahead and remove DRK from your rotation now, rather than waiting? That will stop the emails, since people will no longer see your pool on the network at all.

I wish I knew enough to help you with the technical side but sadly I don't =/

Best of luck!

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Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:55:53 PM

Quote from: coins101 on July 05, 2014, 01:54:45 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:50:26 PM

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

Well if you find it difficult to comply with the intentions of the community and the development team, best we leave things there then. If you guys are paying out in BTC or something other than DRK, you are part of the reason for the coin 'not being profitable to mine'.

In any event, if its not profitable, you wouldn't be switching to mine it, so no loss for you either way.

+1, especially the part in bold!

Which is why I said, if it was just as easy as updating the wallet, we would tweak our profit formula, and I wouldn't speak of it ever. The only reason I'm on here is because I kept getting messages about it, and we were trying to comply, we updated our wallet etc. But there was nearly no information on how pools can update themselves to work automagically with the payments-- except for updating NOMP or Stratum -- which we run a highly custom version of, so we can't just do that.

That was my whole point, I don't care what you guys do with your currency, or how you handle it, or whatever-- but everyone is saying COMPLY COMPLY, with nearly no information on how to do it.

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Quote from: MineP.it on July 05, 2014, 01:54:33 PM

You don't have to manually pay anything. You just need to make some modifications to your stratum code that adds the extra transaction to the block. Shouldn't take very long if you know what you're doing. And, as a pool owner, you should.

this indeed

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Quote from: coins101 on July 05, 2014, 01:54:45 PM

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:50:26 PM

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

Well if you find it difficult to comply with the intentions of the community and the development team, best we leave things there then. If you guys are paying out in BTC or something other than DRK, you are part of the reason for the coin 'not being profitable to mine'.

In any event, if its not profitable, you wouldn't be switching to mine it, so no loss for you either way.

+1, especially the part in bold!

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I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

No problem. Do what you think is best for your pool and your clients. Why do you keep defending your decision here?

You've made your point, and it's understandable. I think the feeling in the crypto community at large is that multipools are good for miners and bad for the actual currencies since they lead to wildly variable network hashrates. I'm frankly a little encouraged that we'll have one less multipool jacking with our network stats. But that may just be me.

I don't mean to come across as rude, just pragmatic. You do what's best for your pool, but I really doubt it's going to hurt DRK.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:50:26 PM

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

Well if you find it difficult to comply with the intentions of the community and the development team, best we leave things there then. If you guys are paying out in BTC or something other than DRK, you are part of the reason for the coin 'not being profitable to mine'.

In any event, if its not profitable, you wouldn't be switching to mine it, so no loss for you either way.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:50:26 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:45:41 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

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Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

It doesn't limit anything for my miners, at -20% DRK is not a profitable coin to mine at all-- on top of that we would have to invest dev time in to what is largely not a very profitable coin.

Like I said, we will just be removing it from our rotation, as it does not make sense to mine-- not to mention the DEVs did not make it easy for pools with any clear instructions on what even needs to be automated. Just github links to a bunch of patches for off the shelf solutions--- 0 help really.

So basically your saying that if you can't dump it now for profit what's the point?
Am I reading this right?

DRK Holders will be just find
DRK dumpers will be the ones that really lose out

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

I wouldn't even care about all that, if I could just update the wallet and be on my merry way, instead of having to manually pay some Master Node.

You don't have to manually pay anything. You just need to make some modifications to your stratum code that adds the extra transaction to the block. Shouldn't take very long if you know what you're doing. And, as a pool owner, you should.

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Quote from: TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet on July 05, 2014, 01:45:41 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

Quote

{SNIP}
Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

It doesn't limit anything for my miners, at -20% DRK is not a profitable coin to mine at all-- on top of that we would have to invest dev time in to what is largely not a very profitable coin.

Like I said, we will just be removing it from our rotation, as it does not make sense to mine-- not to mention the DEVs did not make it easy for pools with any clear instructions on what even needs to be automated. Just github links to a bunch of patches for off the shelf solutions--- 0 help really.

So basically your saying that if you can't dump it now for profit what's the point?
Am I reading this right?

DRK Holders will be just find
DRK dumpers will be the ones that really lose out

I run a multipool... that's literally what we do-- we profit switch to get the best return. Mining DRK at a 20% loss will not make any of our miners happy-- as ultimately they don't get paid out in DRK anyway.. to them it's just a 20% loss of revenue.

I wouldn't even care about all that, if I could just update the wallet and be on my merry way, instead of having to manually pay some Master Node.

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Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

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{SNIP}
Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

Domino effect

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Quote from: ddink7 on July 05, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

Quote

{SNIP}
Well, we don't run an off the shelf solution, so to create a proper implementation, would take quiet some time, all to make 20% less coin. DRK womps.

I fail to see how the loss of a multipool is going to damage the DRK ecosystem. All it does is limit the options of your miners.

It doesn't limit anything for my miners, at -20% DRK is not a profitable coin to mine at all-- on top of that we would have to invest dev time in to what is largely not a very profitable coin.

Like I said, we will just be removing it from our rotation, as it does not make sense to mine-- not to mention the DEVs did not make it easy for pools with any clear instructions on what even needs to be automated. Just github links to a bunch of patches for off the shelf solutions--- 0 help really.

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