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Quote from: toknormal on May 13, 2014, 12:34:42 PM

Rate of change of price is momentum by definition

That's what a moving average convergance-divergeance is. Rate of change of price (= momentum by your definition). In fact it's a 4th or 5th derivative (can't remember which one) of the price moving average which itself is a derivative of price.

So now we seem to have come the full circle. MACD crossovers are not a leading indicator --> Leading indicators are things like price and momentum --> MACD is an indicator of converging or diverging momentum === Leading indicator ? Shocked

Lets turn Darkcoin ANN into trading school

The traditional MACD indicator using moving averages lags because averages lag. Further, your signal line further lags as it is an average of the averages. Momentum based strictly off price change is essentially a MACD indicator, so we are in agreement there. And momentum divergences from price are an excellent trading strategy in itself.

I would love to jump into this but instead I'll grab the popcorn and kindly ask for each of you to make a DRK price prediction 1-day, 1-week and 1-month in advance.

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Quote from: Ed4252 on May 13, 2014, 12:14:23 PM

Rate of change of price is momentum by definition

That's what a moving average convergance-divergeance is. Rate of change of price (= momentum by your definition). In fact it's a 4th or 5th derivative (can't remember which one) of the price moving average which itself is a derivative of price.

So now we seem to have come the full circle. MACD crossovers are not a leading indicator --> Leading indicators are things like price and momentum --> MACD is an indicator of converging or diverging momentum === Leading indicator ? Shocked

Lets turn Darkcoin ANN into trading school

The traditional MACD indicator using moving averages lags because averages lag. Further, your signal line further lags as it is an average of the averages. Momentum based strictly off price change is essentially a MACD indicator, so we are in agreement there. And momentum divergences from price are an excellent trading strategy in itself.

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Quote from: djslick on May 13, 2014, 12:07:36 PM

can someone please tell me if there is a darkcoin sistercoin which does not use the darksend feature? i happen to think that an anonymizing feature like this is actually not a selling point, and infact a point of contention for future adoption. bitcoin and litecoin have openly rejected any ideas to implement such a feature.

i really like the x11 algorithm, but i want to just use it on a normal coin, is there a list of available x11 coins out there? or a consensus on what the #2 x11 coin is? ie. one that's already on real exchanges etc?

The #2 x11 is probably hirocoin.

Darkcoin IS the X11 coin, nothing else comes close. Plus Darksend is optional you can just turn it off if you want to, though I don’t see the point.

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:33:10 PM

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b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

There are no actual leading indicators, unless you own a crystal ball or a highly modified DeLorean.

Price is a leading indicator as is momentum.

Current price has no direct causal effect on future price. You are misusing the term momentum - it does not exist in this case.

Current price can tell you directionally where something is heading

Bullshit.

And what you are calling momentum is just your mental projection of where you think the price is going. It is not real. Calculating rate of change after the event does not count, as it has no causative effect going forward.

Guess you should tell that to anyone that practices technical analysis.

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Quote from: nov on May 13, 2014, 12:31:14 PM

Rate of change of price is momentum by definition

That's what a moving average convergance-divergeance is. Rate of change of price (= momentum by your definition). In fact it's a 4th or 5th derivative (can't remember which one) of the price moving average which itself is a derivative of price.

So now we seem to have come the full circle. MACD crossovers are not a leading indicator --> Leading indicators are things like price and momentum --> MACD is an indicator of converging or diverging momentum === Leading indicator ? Shocked

Lets turn Darkcoin ANN into trading school

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Yes, www.darkcoin.io website offers only Darkcoin QT version v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta for Mac OS X for download.

That it is why I am worry about 14 May hard fork.

Quote from: salmion on May 13, 2014, 11:38:53 AM

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Quote from: nov on May 13, 2014, 11:17:05 AM

Is Mac OS X Darkcoin QT wallet version v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta ready for the Darkcoin hard fork on 14 May, please?

9.3.3 !!

v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta is the osx link on the website...

http://www.darkcoin.io/getstarted.html

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:26:23 PM

Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:22:48 PM

b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

There are no actual leading indicators, unless you own a crystal ball or a highly modified DeLorean.

Price is a leading indicator as is momentum.

Current price has no direct causal effect on future price. You are misusing the term momentum - it does not exist in this case.

Current price can tell you directionally where something is heading

Bullshit. Current price tells you current price, nothing else.

And what you are calling momentum is just your mental projection of where you think the price is going. It is not real. Calculating rate of change after the event does not count, as it has no causative effect going forward.

Quote from: salmion on May 13, 2014, 11:38:53 AM

Lol, misusing the term momentum? Rate of change of price is momentum by definition. It very much exists in anything that moves.

No, rate of change is acceleration. delta-v and momentum are completely different things. Not that it matters, due to the whole no causative effect going forward thing.

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Yes, www.darkcoin.io website offers only Darkcoin QT version v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta for Mac OS X for download.

That it is why I am worry about 14 May hard fork.

Quote from: GhostPlayer on May 13, 2014, 11:32:13 AM

Quote from: nov on May 13, 2014, 11:17:05 AM

Is Mac OS X Darkcoin QT wallet version v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta ready for the Darkcoin hard fork on 14 May, please?

9.3.3 !!

v0.9.3.2-ge400bd2-beta is the osx link on the website...

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:26:23 PM

Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:22:48 PM

b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

There are no actual leading indicators, unless you own a crystal ball or a highly modified DeLorean.

Price is a leading indicator as is momentum.

Current price has no direct causal effect on future price. You are misusing the term momentum - it does not exist in this case.

Current price can tell you directionally where something is heading (but with the stipulation that nothing is certain). Lol, misusing the term momentum? Rate of change of price is momentum by definition. It very much exists in anything that moves.

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:22:48 PM

Quote from: thelonecrouton on May 13, 2014, 12:22:48 PM

b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

There are no actual leading indicators, unless you own a crystal ball or a highly modified DeLorean.

Price is a leading indicator as is momentum.

Current price has no direct causal effect on future price. You are misusing the term momentum - it does not exist in this case.

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b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

There are no actual leading indicators, unless you own a crystal ball or a highly modified DeLorean.

Price is a leading indicator as is momentum.

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Quote from: oblox on May 13, 2014, 12:11:20 PM

No, of course not. There are people that think trading off MA crossovers or MACD signals are leading price. They do not.

Clearly, because they are based on historical, not future data.

All the same, while the price is going to wherever the "leading indicators" are driving it, it doesn't go there in a straight line. It goes there in cycles. That's where they can come in quite handy.

In fact I think I'd probably be out of a house and home by now if I hadn't at least used them as a trading tool.

b.t.w. what is a "leading indicator" if it's not asset fundamentals, not news, not MA crossovers and not MACD signals ?

Why are you trying to bring fundamental leading indicators into the topic of technical indicators. They are completely different. Leading indicator could be momentum based--whether off volume or price. Rate of change comes to mind. While there is anecdotal evidence that cycles can and do exist in the equity markets, I'd implore you to tell me the cycles that exist in the crypto markets with them being very much in their infancy.

Many people use macd or ma crossovers as trading tools, but they should be using them as confirmation tools. To say price is going to break out because the macd is positve or a ma crosses over is stupid.

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