Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 6064. (Read 9724115 times)

I've followed this tread from the start. Every time reasonable discussion is sought, the loyalist scream fud and dismiss the rational with soothing everything will be ok.

Note: Evan does not however. Notice how he engaged with anonymint rather than attacking him? There are other anonymity solutions out there, that although not well known yet will overtake you if you are not ahead of the curve.

Rather than dismissing your limitations, embrace them and improve. Masternodes requiring 1000% drk in exchange for 10% of future mining fees appeals to those of you who only seek profit. To the hackers/ adversaries/ tax departments/ NSA/ even just the suspicious, this solution is a joke.

What should you do? Make it better! Adopt ring signatures. Stay ahead of the curve or you will be left behind.

I recognize you  

Everybody is tense,too much trolls like vultures 

How??  i'm crap at trading!  

Huh? Everything is open source. Who am I? This is bizarrely defensive. I've been on this thread since early February and am a DRK holder/miner. Some people may recognize me, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Anonymity and ring signatures were being discussed so I clarified some things. What part was "FUD"? (I'm not that other guy ac2 if you haven't noticed).

yup, gonna have to see if I can move mine, but it'll be a pain in the butt, LOL.  It'll have to wait until next week if I do.  Anyway, it'd still be Amazon because they're cheapest.  And i'd have to consider if it would be worthwhile, that is, does it really make a difference if my node is amazon USA or Ireland.  We're still all a part of the same group of people, you know?  Maybe if Amazon had servers in Switzerland I'd consider the work (yah, i'm lazy, LOL)  As they have a histery, but their policies have been breaking down at the US's pressures.

I like this guy. He challenges the developers and competition is always healthy. Plus he just made me 30 darkcoin so $66.15 at todays going rate.

Woe, I hit a block wall of drama.... something about closed source, parts that have to do with mining, not mixing....

Anyway, who are you and what do you want?  Are you promoting another coin on our thread?  If so, that's bad form, IMO.  I doubt you'd see Evan promoting on other threads, sure he'd answer questions, but no promo / FUD ever!

Darkcoin Masternode by Country




Next will be "Darkcoin Masternode by ISP"

The fact that cryptography is being used here isn't really a problem. You use Bitcoin and derivatives without understanding the elliptic curve crypto (ECDSA) they use, don't you? Unlike ZKP, which is brand new and exploits are unknown, ring signatures are more than a decade old and well-established. CryptoNote is the first time they've been employed for currency, though.



Yes, it's fully functioning already. You can download the wallet and start using it just by entering a parameter in the send command.

Mine with us : http://dark.minerstation.com/

0.5% fee only

DarkSend also has multiple levels of outputs, and can not be followed  Ip addresses are washed away at the first level, and not connected to any of the subsequent mixing.  Does CryptoNote actually exist and function yet?

Someone compile wallets before release please! (Someone should[?] do a coingen-like site compiling the wallets of those who can't do it)

@OP: Which hashing algos? More info!  Grin

I don't really agree with this. Encryption isn't the only answer. What you pointed out before (Monero and any other CryptoNote protocol coins) actually achieve extremely high anonymity. As shown in the whitepaper (https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf), the ring signatures they use cannot be broken. They have a mathematical proof in the appendix that shows the true signer in the ring signature is impossible to determine with greater than 1/N probability, N being the number of outputs being mixed. Your standards may be high, but this is really, really good for practical purposes and would stand up well to blockchain analysis.

There are some other advantages too, e.g. you mix outputs not transactions so you don't need to participate with others sending the same time as you. For the same reason, arbitrary amounts can be sent without worrying about timing analysis or tracking change.

Yes you are a troll, with the basic "I give you some free advice because I care about you" attitude. I'm flattered that you dedicate such a large part of your small post count to enlighten us. /sarcasm

sorry, I still don't see a hole.  Unless an entity has control of all the masternodes in a transaction, they will never know what happened.  Better still, non of these transactions ever go on the blockchain, so the past can never be revealed.  Finally, Evan is constantly coming up with other ideas to improve upon what we have.  Nope, you can't convince me that what Evan has come up with is faulty.   i won't say that there aren't other great solutions to be found and implemented though.  I'm sure there will be.  Monero sounds interesting, i'm looking at it, but if I can't understand it ultimately, I won't feel comfortable using it.  But that's just me

BTW, if an entity should get lucky and discover the ip address and payment info for a transaction, their luck would probably reveal a transaction where one entity bought some new furniture, another sent his nephew some graduation coin, and a third paid for his vacation in Bali.  None of which are illegal, so they spent all this money to try and spy on normal people doing normal things (i maintain that most people don't do illegal things).  The likelihood some NSA top official would risk his plushy career on spending a fortune on cryptos is pritty slim.  They didn't get their ass widening seated plushy jobs from taking risks,  believe me. 

That's what it was, I was looking for that post to ask about it again.

Yeah, I was confusing the two. Actually, awhile back Anonymint was suggesting we use ring signatures for DarkSend. I'll do some research, maybe that can be a V2 feature.

"I don't believe for a second that anyone at the NSA has bought a single dark, we're coming up on their blind side.  They simply can't function that quickly." 

"Using logic rather than math that I don't understand.  If I can't understand it, I don't want to deal with it."

Tante, surely you want a solution that cannot be broken? Darkcoin's market cap is only $10 million. Impressive by our standards, but simply pittances to any worthy adversary.

Darkcoin should be aiming for an unbreakable solution, an unhackable solution, anonymity that cannot be overcome simply by owning a large enough % of coins.

We don't want users to simply feel safe, but to actually be safe. Coinjoin, darksend, and any other future derivative that relies on mixing pools of transactions is inevevitably going to fail the anonymity test, as the signer of the pooled transaction has access to information.

The only true solution is an encrypted packet of information approach, where although the packet is visible on the network, the contents - and ability to open said contents - is only accessible to the recipient (ie, their encrypted wallet's private key).

Nope, i'm not here to troll. In fact, my guess is that the price and market share will continue to rise. So if you are only loyal to this coin to see an increase in your wealth you probably will. But no one with serious $ they wish to transfer with reliable anonymity will use your coin.

And ? You find those hashrates exceptional ? Not me... Some GPU farms which used to mine Litecoin are mining Darkcoin now.

I don't see any option for "scrypt farms going X11 due to scrypt ASICs"...

0.5-1 ghash scrypt farms were mining in LTC and DOGE prior to ASICs, so that's ~1.5 to 3 ghash in terms of x11 hashrate.

Note that I'm not necessarily saying it's GPU farms, but it's the most plausible scenario especially for farms in a large number of countries where the electric bill is too high for any scrypt profitability.