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Quote from: eizh on April 18, 2014, 07:18:15 PM

Quote from: DuvajBalone on April 18, 2014, 04:58:14 PM

How does DarkSend compare to this CryptoNote technology https://cryptonote.org ?
Is DarkSend better, or it is exactly the same tech?

I've been following this development. Short answer: no one knows yet. The blockchain explorer for BCN ("Bytecoin") only just came online because its been hidden in the darknet for 2 years (it's basically 80% pre-mined during that time). They have the same functionality: CryptoNote's ring signatures mix transactions so that it only proves you were part of a group, not precisely who sent what to whom. DarkSend accomplishes the same thing using masternodes and pools, and it seems their degree of anonymity is similar (i.e. much more than BTC, but less than zero-knowledge proofs). I think which one is more successful depends on which ones develops faster and gains the network effect.

Remember that ring signatures were already talked about earlier in this thread, and iirc Evan mentioned possibly incorporating them in a future implementation of DarkSend.

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Quote from: DuvajBalone on April 18, 2014, 04:58:14 PM

How does DarkSend compare to this CryptoNote technology https://cryptonote.org ?
Is DarkSend better, or it is exactly the same tech?

I've been following this development. Short answer: no one knows yet. The blockchain explorer for BCN ("Bytecoin") only just came online because its been hidden in the darknet for 2 years (it's basically 80% pre-mined during that time). They have the same functionality: CryptoNote's ring signatures mix transactions so that it only proves you were part of a group, not precisely who sent what to whom. DarkSend accomplishes the same thing using masternodes and pools, and it seems their degree of anonymity is similar (i.e. much more than BTC, but less than zero-knowledge proofs).

I think which one is more successful depends on which ones develops faster and gains the network effect. Ring signatures, unless they have a cryptographic weakness that we don't know of, seem pretty elegant but the size of the blockchain grows linearly with the number of peers you mix your send with. I prefer either one to ZeroCoin / ZeroCash and its well-known weaknesses (a totally blind blockchain that doesn't permit monitoring, initial RSA key that has total power over the network, unvetted cryptography of zero-knowledge proofs, etc.).

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on April 18, 2014, 03:57:47 PM

Quote from: Icebucket on April 18, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I have an Idea.

The thing Darkcoin needs is it own Mod of BAMT or PIMP

getpimp.org/‎
http://guiminer.net/bamt

This might accomplish two things in one.

1. There would be a easy way for total beginners to start mining (GPU and CPU)

2. All of the security measures that come with running a masternote would be pre setup and safe.

And Im guessing that a large % of the owners of 1000+ DRK, are miners them selfs. So the mining rig might just do fine for running a masternote I imagine.

Im not a programmer myself so I dont know how one would go about this, but I wanted to throw this out there.

Uh, you know you can already mine DRK with both BAMT and PIMP? I know this because I use them to do so. I'm wary of having too much stuff built into individual tools. I think running a masternode should require a bit of knowledge and expertise, it's hard to make anything truly idiot-proof.

edit: I didn't mean that condescendingly, I freely confess to being an idiot myself and anyone who knows me will back me up on that. Grin

I would rather have masternodes being masternodes and nothing else, mining rigs hang for all sorts of reasons, if I was running a node it would be on a separate unstressed box.

Yes I know I use them to mine also, but there is nothing really stopping persons with no know how setting up a masternode and doing a poor job with security, Wont that be a problem for the whole network if lets say 1/3 of all masternodes are run on non secure servers. ?

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Does anyone know where the best volume is for DRK? I have just put a 5 BTC order in over at MintPal for DRK (3192 DRK) but only 4 have been purchased and the rest are in orders.

Does this mean that MintPal doesn't have enough coins at the moment to fulfil the buy order?

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now not a good marketing team,DOGE methods good

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How does DarkSend compare to this CryptoNote technology https://cryptonote.org ?
Is DarkSend better, or it is exactly the same tech?

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Quote from: coins101 on April 18, 2014, 02:31:12 PM

A couple of Darkcoin clones (without the DarkSend feature) launching in the next few days -

* Quebec coin - x11 and DGW. Big distribution to people in Canadian Quebec, but given away over 10 years!
* CATiCoin - pretty much like Quebec coin, but distribution is to those that want Catalonia to be independent of Spain, so they want their own currency.
* Emirates Coin - they think there are so many foreign workers in UAE that there is a place for the coin as a cheap money transfer, plus use internally

they dont sound like dark clones.. more like more country shit coins!

QuebecCoin dev seems to be one of the more reasonable ones around. Whether a country coin is a viable concept remains to be seen, though.

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Quote from: DieCommieScum on April 18, 2014, 04:26:33 PM

Quote from: adhitthana on April 18, 2014, 03:37:42 PM

I only have one concern with DRK.
The only real problem DRK might run into is regulators....and the name Darkcoin is like a red rag to a bull

Regulators can only control fiat, not crypto. You can't effectively regulate bits and bytes, to think one can is foolish.

The days of government are numbered since their ability to track wealth is.

1. They're foolish.
2. They still have us outgunned.

But I'm with you, comrade! Wink

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Quote from: adhitthana on April 18, 2014, 03:37:42 PM

I only have one concern with DRK.
The only real problem DRK might run into is regulators....and the name Darkcoin is like a red rag to a bull

Regulators can only control fiat, not crypto. You can't effectively regulate bits and bytes, to think one can is foolish.

The days of government are numbered since their ability to track wealth is.

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Quote from: adhitthana on April 18, 2014, 03:37:42 PM

I only have one concern with DRK.
The only real problem DRK might run into is regulators....and the name Darkcoin is like a red rag to a bull

This has been gone over...and over and over and over and over. The name isn't going anywhere.

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interesting last few days here in the drk market Kiss

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Quote from: Icebucket on April 18, 2014, 03:38:36 PM

I have an Idea.

The thing Darkcoin needs is it own Mod of BAMT or PIMP

getpimp.org/‎
http://guiminer.net/bamt

This might accomplish two things in one.

1. There would be a easy way for total beginners to start mining (GPU and CPU)

2. All of the security measures that come with running a masternote would be pre setup and safe.

And Im guessing that a large % of the owners of 1000+ DRK, are miners them selfs. So the mining rig might just do fine for running a masternote I imagine.

Im not a programmer myself so I dont know how one would go about this, but I wanted to throw this out there.

Uh, you know you can already mine DRK with both BAMT and PIMP? I know this because I use them to do so. I'm wary of having too much stuff built into individual tools. I think running a masternode should require a bit of knowledge and expertise, it's hard to make anything truly idiot-proof.

edit: I didn't mean that condescendingly, I freely confess to being an idiot myself and anyone who knows me will back me up on that. Grin

I would rather have masternodes being masternodes and nothing else, mining rigs hang for all sorts of reasons, if I was running a node it would be on a separate unstressed box.

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I have an Idea.

The thing Darkcoin needs is it own Mod of BAMT or PIMP

getpimp.org/‎
http://guiminer.net/bamt

This might accomplish two things in one.

1. There would be a easy way for total beginners to start mining (GPU and CPU)

2. All of the security measures that come with running a masternote would be pre setup and safe.

And Im guessing that a large % of the owners of 1000+ DRK, are miners them selfs. So the mining rig might just do fine for running a masternote I imagine.

Im not a programmer myself so I dont know how one would go about this, but I wanted to throw this out there.

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I only have one concern with DRK.
The only real problem DRK might run into is regulators....and the name Darkcoin is like a red rag to a bull

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Litecoin is officially over.

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Quote from: Simcom on April 18, 2014, 02:58:28 PM

Quote from: thelonecrouton on April 18, 2014, 02:51:57 PM

It has just dawned on me that with X11 power requirements so low, I can, with a little PSU juggling, consolidate my 11 270s and 1 6870 into two rigs instead of the three they are currently distributed across, leaving me with a free 7 PCIe slot MSI mobo and a 750W Corsair CX to power, for example, 7 cute little 750Ti cards.

Buy 7 750 Tis or just buy £700 DRK?

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the miner only works for AMD cards at the moment.

You are right, as ten seconds of Googling revealed to me after I made that post! Ah well, 2nd hand 280s maybe. I have an extra kW of solar power to use up! Grin

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Quote from: drkman on April 18, 2014, 02:32:55 PM

Quote from: Queeq on April 18, 2014, 02:25:32 PM

All right, for all those who are willing to set up a masternode.
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL.
You, at least, need:

To have some basic knowledge of Unix administration (I guess it's not available for windows, right?).
To understand how network and firewalls work.
To have experience in information security (configure and protect your host, do regular updates, general best practices and IT hygiene).

I will set up masternode myself in the nearesst couple of days and will put up a detailed guide applying all best practices I know. I guess the community will also add something. Beware, though, that you not only risk your own money (1000 DRK), but also put the network to the risk in case your masternode is compromised.

Couple of Questions.

1. Can you have 2 or 3 pcs behind a single cable modem and single router each as a masternode or would it just see the ipaddress of the cable modem and see that as a single ip and thus only 1 node?
2. Anyone in Texas want to help me setup a masternode since I'm a linux noob?
3. Any chance of a putting a node on windows server 2008 or windows 8.1?
4. Would you want to be sure to put your node on a completely separate subrouter from your miners if you are using the same internet connection? Node behind one router and miners behind a 2nd router?

1. Only 1 PC would be able to be a masternode. Unless you order additional IP addresses from your ISP.

3. I would keep away from windows as it's inherently less secure than *nix.
4. Not necessarily.

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Quote from: thelonecrouton on April 18, 2014, 02:51:57 PM

It has just dawned on me that with X11 power requirements so low, I can, with a little PSU juggling, consolidate my 11 270s and 1 6870 into two rigs instead of the three they are currently distributed across, leaving me with a free 7 PCIe slot MSI mobo and a 750W Corsair CX to power, for example, 7 cute little 750Ti cards.

Buy 7 750 Tis or just buy £700 DRK?

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the miner only works for AMD cards at the moment.

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Quote from: dadon on April 18, 2014, 02:59:52 AM

some people like privacy...i have a big dick so i don't have anything to hide but i still shut the window when i shower because i don't want to share my big dick with the world...get what i'm saying?

LOL

Made my day))))

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It has just dawned on me that with X11 power requirements so low, I can, with a little PSU juggling, consolidate my 11 270s and 1 6870 into two rigs instead of the three they are currently distributed across, leaving me with a free 7 PCIe slot MSI mobo and a 750W Corsair CX to power, for example, 7 cute little 750Ti cards.

Buy 7 750 Tis or just buy £700 DRK?

Goddammit... Huh

No need for powered risers anymore either... doubt my 270s are pulling more than 75W each, in fact looking at the power readings they can't be, but even if they were the extra 25W PCIe riser capacity should be ample...

edit: Bollocks, cudaminer doesn't yet support X11. Hmm, used 280s are going dirt cheap... Cool

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