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99% of the current holders haven't been anywhere near the first days, so all these people are trying to do is to rob us.

I didn't find DarkCoin before mid-March and didn't start actively mining or buying it before early April (tried to do so in late-March but I got driver issues and the price jumped up right then...).

There were way too many coin launches between December and February and I didn't have the whole day (every day) to really check them all out.
I wish I found this coin earlier and spend less time by hesitating if it's really as good as it seems for the first look.

But now I am here. I mine it since a few days and I bought ~800 DRK today, so I can reach the 1k mark until the official DarkSend launch.

Does this make me a robber?


Oh no, he was talking about people who think we should spread the wealth by doing an "airdrop" of 2 million more coins into the system, giving it out to people who have posted here.  This isn't going to happen, no worries Smiley
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Ah yes.  But you are very young and I don't think you comprehend what that would do to the coin.  Please consider this:

1.  many people have paid a lot of money for coin, with the statistics laid out before them.  They knew of the history of the coin, yet they decided to buy anyway.  So they took into consideration the history of the coin and the future total number of coins that will be mined.   You want them to accept a short term increase of 33% of the total number of coins mined this year, decreasing the value a minimum of 30%, but likely to crash the market and kill the coin.  Look at what the "airdrop" for Auroracoin did.  People collected the coins and cashed them out right away, not caring that the price was crashing, they were getting something for nothing.  It is human nature, and I'm sorry, but at 17 you will still be idealistic, blindly so if you don't see this coming.

2.  Doing this would remove all trust in this coin.  People would feel the developer is untrustworthy, changing the game at the drop of a hat.  I argued against changing the number of coins to be mined, not just because I thought a larger number of coins was good for the usefulness of the coin, but because I didn't want things mucked with.  I think stability is important.   But since it actually  increased the future value of the coin due to making it more scarce, it was overwhelmingly supported.  But remember, people will always vote themselves more money, it's human nature.  It's why a democracy can never work and why the United States is a Republic.  Until they understand the consequences.  Unfortunately, the masses have other things on their minds than to dig in deep enough to make a wise decision.  That's why we're always in financial trouble Cheesy

I'm very glad you've become interested in cryptocurrency.  In a few years, you will have a good understanding of economics if you keep up with it.

I thought it odd that an airdrop was even briefly considered. It would kill the price of the coin and really not rectify the original issue. New people would take their free coin, then dump... and kill the price, like you said.

I did mention one idea in cryptohunter's moderated thread (unless he deleted it, like most of my other posts) --

The only way I could see something like a mini-airdrop working is if a small amount of coin was given out to early miners/adopters, sort of like a token to partially rectify the early instamine thing. I have no idea how early miners/adopters would even be identified (blockchain/mining address)? But pretend if it could be confirmed, it would get around a couple of problems of a big airdrop, mainly new people gobbling up coins to dump and killing the price of the coin. Those receiving it would be much less likely to dump, were about mining or buying coin early on, so logically they'd be more likely to hold. People would probably still complain, but it's the only way I can see anything like that working.
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The correct thing to do would have been to abort the launch and try again unless the point was to get a bunch of coins out in a day or two - this will always remain an issue, don't see a good way to fix it. That being said, I've bought a bit of drk as a curiosity but do know some people that simply passed on this coin because of the day 1 stuff.

Except nobody realized what was happening until over a day later.  By then, Evan thought he fixed it, but still had no idea what the damage was until a block explorer was made.  By then, Evan had people who had invested a lot of time into the coin, he would have lost all the interest from those people, and they wouldn't have come back were he to re-launch.
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Hello, Community,  I almost do not post in this thread but have been following DRK since late January. I am an adult, an investor and have so far invested around 30K USD into DRK. I love the product and if it is to be succesfull it will be based on its merits of offering value to its users, being Darksend and anonymity the most attractive feature and I hope there are more added in the future.

I am investing in the integrity of the DEV team, in the added value proposition of Darksend and in future additions like messaging, etc. The value of the coin is not in giving it away to miners as they see fit, the value is in offering benefits that bitcoin does not already offer to the intended end users, people like me, who don't mine.  This is in my opinion the only altcoin that is offering something BTC does not to regular users.  Other coins like Vert offer something to miners but it does nothing for me as an end user that BTC doesnt already do. So please DEV team, forget about complaining teenagers, show some respect for the people backing up this project and lets focus on adding features and benefits.

Finally, I will like to set up several master nodes, I lack the technical capability and time to do it myself but will be hiring somebody to do it for me. In that sense I would really appreciate a comprehensive guide on how to set up the master nodes, I think that would be a way better use of the time of the more technically inclined in this forum. Thanks

+1 000 000 !
Yes! Whole heartedly agree

+ my $20,000 invested into DRK. I am in the same boat as the above poster, this airdrop stuff is hard to watch. Focus is the key to success, without it we will dwindle into the ether of existence. Focus on what makes this project worth your time Evan, it will only produce results that compliment the effort.

LOL, I've gotten myself up to 2000 coins and felt so good, like I had all the coins in the world!  Now I feel so puny, LOL

You two guys can definitely afford to buy my mother-in-law. Now only 19,500 DRK.  With some night school, she can cook and run a few master nodes.

Another LOL
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Finally, I will like to set up several master nodes, I lack the technical capability and time to do it myself but will be hiring somebody to do it for me. In that sense I would really appreciate a comprehensive guide on how to set up the master nodes, I think that would be a way better use of the time of the more technically inclined in this forum. Thanks

I'll bet someone will come up with a basic guide and I know the developers are going to try to build safety  into this, but do be sure, especially with that much invested, that you cover all security issues possible.  Just saying Cheesy

The only real security issue I can think of is that somebody uses the same password as he uses *everywhere* or doesn't even encrypt the wallet.dat and somebody steals it.
Otherwise, you might get a DDoS attack, but that's just painful, not permanently harmful.
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Thanks for the tip. I think I will mine it. They might clone darksend too. Is there a way to get some DNA from Evan?

If there was a way Tante would have figured it out by now.   Cheesy

OMG I'm literally ROFLMAO!  I was controlling myself from saying many things (off colored humor again) and then  looked below, and what did I see? ROFLMAO!  You all know me too well already, I must truly learn to control myself better!
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Finally, I will like to set up several master nodes, I lack the technical capability and time to do it myself but will be hiring somebody to do it for me. In that sense I would really appreciate a comprehensive guide on how to set up the master nodes, I think that would be a way better use of the time of the more technically inclined in this forum. Thanks

I'll bet someone will come up with a basic guide and I know the developers are going to try to build safety  into this, but do be sure, especially with that much invested, that you cover all security issues possible.  Just saying Cheesy
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The negative became positive because DRK achieved, even by accident, a distribution formula that is not killing its daily price due to enormous inflation. If you inflate fast at the start and inflation is steeply reduced after a while, you won't have the problem that other coins have. Everyone can get cheap coins at the start yet inflation is not as a large problem for the next months / years. I think this form of coin distribution will prevail because people have realized that inflation is killing prices yet the monetary base HAS to expand so that the coins can be distributed. So it'll either be proof of stake (yeah right), or fast mining + declining production in an accelerated timetable (ie what bitcoin did in several years, an altcoin will have to do in weeks/months).

I have a few vertcoins -just in case it did some kind of spike due to LTC people moving over there- and vert can't go up due to the daily inflation and dumping. Most coins require multiple times the BTCs that DRK production requires and hence they go down and down and down because there are not enough BTCs around to buy these coins. DRK has no such issue due to the fast production in the start and slower production right now.

You can have a coin that needs like 50-60 btcs per day that will be dumped every day and then cry why the price is always going down (like most altcoins), or be able to at least resist the downward trend if not go higher, as DRK does with the 0.0012 - 0.0014 levels.


I completely agree.
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Can we please stop replying to that complete waste of time? This white knight for all the "scammed and miserable" ...

All it does is fuels his desire to be centre of the attention.

Does he do it often?  LOL, then I'm wrong and he's an idiot, what can I say?  I always hope for the best, especially if I lost my temper, 'cause then I feel so bad........

I'm 17 soon i am not a kid.

Also it's going to be a petition not a vote.

I will simply put an honest account of darkcoins history. A solution to compensate people cut out from mining.  And make a petition. If a lot of people sign. Then though sheer TRUTH SPREADING alone a lot of pressure can be applied.

Anyway i need to finish my game now.

The last of us - such a great game has anyone played it?



Ah yes.  But you are very young and I don't think you comprehend what that would do to the coin.  Please consider this:

1.  many people have paid a lot of money for coin, with the statistics laid out before them.  They knew of the history of the coin, yet they decided to buy anyway.  So they took into consideration the history of the coin and the future total number of coins that will be mined.   You want them to accept a short term increase of 33% of the total number of coins mined this year, decreasing the value a minimum of 30%, but likely to crash the market and kill the coin.  Look at what the "airdrop" for Auroracoin did.  People collected the coins and cashed them out right away, not caring that the price was crashing, they were getting something for nothing.  It is human nature, and I'm sorry, but at 17 you will still be idealistic, blindly so if you don't see this coming.

2.  Doing this would remove all trust in this coin.  People would feel the developer is untrustworthy, changing the game at the drop of a hat.  I argued against changing the number of coins to be mined, not just because I thought a larger number of coins was good for the usefulness of the coin, but because I didn't want things mucked with.  I think stability is important.   But since it actually  increased the future value of the coin due to making it more scarce, it was overwhelmingly supported.  But remember, people will always vote themselves more money, it's human nature.  It's why a democracy can never work and why the United States is a Republic.  Until they understand the consequences.  Unfortunately, the masses have other things on their minds than to dig in deep enough to make a wise decision.  That's why we're always in financial trouble Cheesy

I'm very glad you've become interested in cryptocurrency.  In a few years, you will have a good understanding of economics if you keep up with it.
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A DarkSend masternode (FAQ?) question:

Can I just copy over an existing wallet.dat (containing the private key for an address which holds 1000 coins) and start the beta client or do every steps listed in the instructions should be strictly followed?

I prefer to create and encrypt the wallet.dat files in an offline Ubuntu Live environment and thus never expose the unencrypted wallet.dat to an online machine.
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Litecoin developer, Mr Lee, asks if DogeCoin and Litecoin can be merged mined to reduce the impact of ASICs.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/22dzwq/censorship_on_rdogecoin_mods_why_do_you_keep/cgm2ytt

What a great way to kill Litecoin. Expect even more miners to DRK.
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What settings should I use to mine DRK with sgminer using an MSI 7850? it isnt working.

I'm behind and don't know if you've gotten help, but here is a hardware chart:
https://docs.zoho.com/sheet/published.do?rid=12cbm2fe8ce55abb2476daa0f8c576b442d40&mode=html

And you need to use the version of sgminer set up for X-11 algorithm.  It's on the first post of this thread.
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Dark Wallet getting ready to for live testing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/227lne/darkwallet_update/

Interesting Q&A:

Q. Will it be possible to connect the wallet to other cryptocurrencies? Litecoin, Peercoin, Primecoin, etc.

A. caedesv

The first version is going to be bitcoin only (well and testnet coin but maybe not at the same time). This way we avoid some complexity and also can deliver on the initial promises.

For next stage we're totally considering make it multi-currency (and other goals). Should be easy and at least with some coins looks like we can even use the same bip32 tree, one key, many currencies.

Not even Alpha..
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Evan,
Darksend is a much bigger feature than what it seems to be in the windows wallet (just a checkbox in 'send' tab currently).

Instead of having this checkbox inside the 'Send' tab, I propose the following:
1) remove 'Use DarkSend' checkbox
2) add a 'DarkSend' tab between the 'Send' and 'Receive' tabs*
3) this new tab looks and functions exactly the same as the send tab but it uses darksend technology when submitting.


This will be much better UX to differentiate this technology from standard technology.

* You can also consider putting darksend tab before the send tab.

I don't like redundancy. What about this? -> The QT client immediately switches to a darker GUI skin (basically a dark gray [current coin logo color] bakcground) whenever DarkSend is checked. (And may be the checkbox gets a little bit more notabale on the Send tab.)

Just remember, newbies already find wallets confusing. They are simple and easy to navigate if you use them regularly.

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Evan,
Darksend is a much bigger feature than what it seems to be in the windows wallet (just a checkbox in 'send' tab currently).

Instead of having this checkbox inside the 'Send' tab, I propose the following:
1) remove 'Use DarkSend' checkbox
2) add a 'DarkSend' tab between the 'Send' and 'Receive' tabs*
3) this new tab looks and functions exactly the same as the send tab but it uses darksend technology when submitting.


This will be much better UX to differentiate this technology from standard technology.

* You can also consider putting darksend tab before the send tab.
This is a very good idea in terms of UI/UX.

Very much agree.
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Evan,
Darksend is a much bigger feature than what it seems to be in the windows wallet (just a checkbox in 'send' tab currently).

Instead of having this checkbox inside the 'Send' tab, I propose the following:
1) remove 'Use DarkSend' checkbox
2) add a 'DarkSend' tab between the 'Send' and 'Receive' tabs*
3) this new tab looks and functions exactly the same as the send tab but it uses darksend technology when submitting.


This will be much better UX to differentiate this technology from standard technology.

* You can also consider putting darksend tab before the send tab.

I don't like redundancy. What about this? -> The QT client immediately switches to a darker GUI skin (basically a dark gray [current coin logo color] bakcground) whenever DarkSend is checked. (And may be the checkbox gets a little bit more notabale on the Send tab.)
changing skin properties based on a checkbox setting is a bad idea. That is uncommon and unpredictable UI that doesnt achieve anything. The goal here is to make DarkSend more prominent and to make it seem like a unique feature, without having to interact with any control.
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Dark Wallet getting ready to for live testing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/227lne/darkwallet_update/

Interesting Q&A:

Q. Will it be possible to connect the wallet to other cryptocurrencies? Litecoin, Peercoin, Primecoin, etc.

A. caedesv

The first version is going to be bitcoin only (well and testnet coin but maybe not at the same time). This way we avoid some complexity and also can deliver on the initial promises.

For next stage we're totally considering make it multi-currency (and other goals). Should be easy and at least with some coins looks like we can even use the same bip32 tree, one key, many currencies.
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hey all, anyone else having problems syncing wallet at the moment?  mine is stuck at a certain block 2 days ago.  I've deleted the database file and re-synced from the beginning but still gets stuck at block 41266 (or something from 2 days ago).

any ideas?  do i need to add more nodes, delete everytrhing and start again??

Check !!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6109003
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Evan,
Darksend is a much bigger feature than what it seems to be in the windows wallet (just a checkbox in 'send' tab currently).

Instead of having this checkbox inside the 'Send' tab, I propose the following:
1) remove 'Use DarkSend' checkbox
2) add a 'DarkSend' tab between the 'Send' and 'Receive' tabs*
3) this new tab looks and functions exactly the same as the send tab but it uses darksend technology when submitting.


This will be much better UX to differentiate this technology from standard technology.

* You can also consider putting darksend tab before the send tab.

I don't like redundancy. What about this? -> The QT client immediately switches to a darker GUI skin (basically a dark gray [current coin logo color] bakcground) whenever DarkSend is checked. (And may be the checkbox gets a little bit more notabale on the Send tab.)
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I have setup a Masternode.
- Ubuntu 64bit
- wallet encrypted
- with p2pool

Code:
./darkcoind --help
DarkCoin version v0.10.3.0-4-gb091e63-beta

2014-04-07 23:09:00 RegisterAsMasterNode
2014-04-07 23:09:00 Found unspent output equal to nValue
2014-04-07 23:09:00 Is capable master node!
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